America's Economy Ailing

[kosar]

" we have sent the most courageous and brave soldiers in the world. But their numbers have been depleted by the Clinton years when troops were reduced by 500,000, when 80 ships were retired from the Navy, and when our human intelligence was slashed by 25%. We were told that we were getting a peace dividend."

Looks to me like Clinton simply implemented Bush 41's plan. Just keep blaming Clinton for everything. :shrug:


From a National Review(as right wing as it gets) article in November 1992:


Under the Bush Administration's five-year plan, U.S. military forces would be reduced overall by 25 per cent. In addition, more than six hundred U.S. overseas military installations and facilities would either be turned over to host nations or closed, with the expectation that the entire U.S. overseas basing structure will be reduced by nearly 40 per cent. These reductions would leave a U.S. military force smaller than at any time since before the Korean War--a "Base Force" of 1.6 million service personnel (a reduction of more than 500,000 from the post-Vietnam peak) by FY 1997.

 

[StevieD]

you think it`s bad now...this is nothing...

you don`t think universal healthcare will make iraq look like a blip in the rearview mirror?....

just the bureaucracy alone will be enough to bring this country to it`s knees....

not to mention hill throwing freebies at the illegals...



can`t raid the social security trust fund anymore....

Gw, We won't even get into how Bush had six years to do something about the illegals and secure the border but did not. One thing you have to remember is that the Illegals are all ready getting free health care that we all pay for. But it is Bush who has ignored, and it could even be argued encouraged, this.

 

[gardenweasel]

Gw, We won't even get into how Bush had six years to do something about the illegals and secure the border but did not. One thing you have to remember is that the Illegals are all ready getting free health care that we all pay for. But it is Bush who has ignored, and it could even be argued encouraged, this.

stevie...you really know how to hurt a guy....not much i can defend regarding bush`s handling of the immigration issue....and "handling" actually doesn`t do this debacle justice...matter of fact,not one presidential candidate left standing on either side of the fence has an iota of credibility when it comes to shutting down the border....

you win the day,my friend.....

 

[Jabberwocky]

"and on your corprorate history affiliation claims--you'll have to excuse me if I'm just a tad skepticle.

I don't know the 1st business orientated person--who is for a party that dictates what they pay employees--then want to cap what they charge for product--while taxing the hell out of them--doesn't leave a lot of room for solvency"

I have no idea what minimum wage has to do with anything, or where you got the idea that the democratic party is for capping what people can charge for a product.

However, I take it that you think everyone in corporate America is a neocon. Hmmmm....yeah, every last one Wayne. You got me.

I can see how you would be "skepticle". :00x12

Is that the medical term for an undescended...nevermind.

I would love to see a response to Kosar's post, but I won't be holding my breath.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Looks to me like Clinton simply implemented Bush 41's plan. Just keep blaming Clinton for everything. :shrug:


From a National Review(as right wing as it gets) article in November 1992:


Under the Bush Administration's five-year plan, U.S. military forces would be reduced overall by 25 per cent. In addition, more than six hundred U.S. overseas military installations and facilities would either be turned over to host nations or closed, with the expectation that the entire U.S. overseas basing structure will be reduced by nearly 40 per cent. These reductions would leave a U.S. military force smaller than at any time since before the Korean War--a "Base Force" of 1.6 million service personnel (a reduction of more than 500,000 from the post-Vietnam peak) by FY 1997.

--and:shrug:
The article was 1992 ???
Only question is "who" did the chopping and got benefit in reduced budget expense? I believe that was the question--

--and any comment on what looking the other way and doing nothing when terrorist attacked in the 90's cost us the following years in lives- hit on economy and military costs :shrug:

bout the same scenerio of ignoring SSN-Medicare-Medicade situations--look other way and add Universal on top of it-- You can tell your bases all the gimmies that got coming and tally those votes--but comes a time someone will have to pay the piper--and guess what generation that will be--Good Luck my friend.

 

[gardenweasel]

"and on your corprorate history affiliation claims--you'll have to excuse me if I'm just a tad skepticle.

I don't know the 1st business orientated person--who is for a party that dictates what they pay employees--then want to cap what they charge for product--while taxing the hell out of them--doesn't leave a lot of room for solvency"

I have no idea what minimum wage has to do with anything, or where you got the idea that the democratic party is for capping what people can charge for a product.

However, I take it that you think everyone in corporate America is a neocon. Hmmmm....yeah, every last one Wayne. You got me.

I can see how you would be "skepticle". :00x12

Is that the medical term for an undescended...nevermind.

I would love to see a response to Kosar's post, but I won't be holding my breath.

clinton came along at the right time....he rode inflated capital gains from the stockmarket bubble and saved alot of money by DISMANTLING the defense dept....and it could be argued that clinton got a boost from the republican 1986 tax cuts...not to mention winning the gulf war(we got super cheap arab oil for a good while after that)...

thank you republicans....

clinton inherited a bad economy?.....ahhh,no...

cnn`s brooke jackson.."?Three days before Christmas 1992, the National Bureau of Economic Research finally issued its official proclamation that the recession had ended 21 months earlier. What became the longest boom in U.S. history actually began nearly two years before Clinton took office.? ....

lol

took awhile,but bill took care of bidness(i remember the stock market crashing in march 2000).......

remember,you can`t "tax" your way into a strong economy..

wocky old buddy,i promise in the near future,we`ll discuss something that won`t require you to cut and paste an opinion....

maybe we can debate whether or not toilet paper should be installed with the paper hanging down on the inside or outside of the roll.......:grins:

 

[kosar]

--and:shrug:
The article was 1992 ???
Only question is "who" did the chopping and got benefit in reduced budget expense? I believe that was the question--

--and any comment on what looking the other way and doing nothing when terrorist attacked in the 90's cost us the following years in lives- hit on economy and military costs :shrug:

bout the same scenerio of ignoring SSN-Medicare-Medicade situations--look other way and add Universal on top of it-- You can tell your bases all the gimmies that got coming and tally those votes--but comes a time someone will have to pay the piper--and guess what generation that will be--Good Luck my friend.

Right, 1992. While 41 was in office and trying to work out a budget for the next fiscal year.

Seems to me that 41 did the chopping and Bubba got the benefit in regard to the budget. But you're trying to have it both ways. You're blaming Clinton for 'reducing the military', making us 'weaker', and then claiming that this is the reason for the balanced budget.

You act as if the second Clinton was sworn in, he started decimating the military. In actuality, it was the republicans, in the post cold war era/mood, who started this process.

As far as 'looking the other way', I don't think anybody on either side back then took the terrorist threat seriously enough, including Ronnie Raygun cutting and running after terrorits blew up 241 of our Marines.

Oh, and that little bit about doing business with Iran just a few years after they took our hostages to raise money to try to overthrow some insignificant banana republic dictator (who, ironically, is back in power today).

There's enough blame to go around on both sides, but with your myopia, you only see it one way.

As far as 'cost in lives and military dollars and economy', where would you rate starting elective wars against countries that were no threat whatsoever to us and had very little or no ties to terrorists? At least until we shock and awed them.

And don't even bug me about social security and health care. I come down well on the side of the typical Republican stance on those, and many other, things.

 

[djv]

The smaller Army/Navy started with Reagan it was called peace div of cold war by Bush 41. It has continued through Clinton and Bush 43.
Our economy is in shake state. Just like yours would be if you did not pay your bills. Once these interest drops dont save market look out. Keep lot's of cash on hand till you se how this all shakes out. This could last another 12 months. Bush has showen he never understood. And Mc Cain already said he does not either.

 

[Jabberwocky]

clinton came along at the right time....he rode inflated capital gains from the stockmarket bubble and saved alot of money by DISMANTLING the defense dept....and it could be argued that clinton got a boost from the republican 1986 tax cuts...not to mention winning the gulf war(we got super cheap arab oil for a good while after that)...

thank you republicans....

clinton inherited a bad economy?.....ahhh,no...

cnn`s brooke jackson.."?Three days before Christmas 1992, the National Bureau of Economic Research finally issued its official proclamation that the recession had ended 21 months earlier. What became the longest boom in U.S. history actually began nearly two years before Clinton took office.? ....

lol

took awhile,but bill took care of bidness(i remember the stock market crashing in march 2000).......

remember,you can`t "tax" your way into a strong economy..

wocky old buddy,i promise in the near future,we`ll discuss something that won`t require you to cut and paste an opinion....

maybe we can debate whether or not toilet paper should be installed with the paper hanging down on the inside or outside of the roll.......:grins:

can't really find anything to respond to here. The gist seems to be summed up in your opening line, "Clinton came along at the right time." Umm, ok. That addresses current outrageous deficit spending and weak US dollar. Got it. Sorry for "cutting and pasting" statistical graphs. I have just found that using pictures is a more effective way to communicate a point to some. But even drawing a picture doesn't seem to work on you. Ahh the world is really is a simple place after all.

It's all Clinton's fault, it's all Clinton's fault, it's all Clinton's fault......