Gore emerges as power broker....

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Richard Luscombe in Miami The Observer

Al Gore, who lost to George W. Bush in the 2000 presidential election, is becoming a key potential power broker in the increasingly bitter battle between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama to win the Democrat nomination.

Gore emerged yesterday as a possible mediator who could negotiate a resolution if the primary campaign ends in a stalemate and has to be decided by the party convention, where divisions are likely to run deep.

The former vice-president, who was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize for his environmental campaign, is among a number of party 'elders' who plan to remain neutral in order to keep such an option open, the New York Times reported yesterday.

They are increasingly concerned that the momentum built up by Clinton and Obama's enthralling race could be squandered if neither lands a knockout blow and the nomination is decided at the convention by an elite of 796 Democratic 'super-delegates'. A perception that a backroom deal had ignored the wishes of millions of voters could be a gift to the Republicans, who have already in effect settled on John McCain as their candidate.

Nancy Pelosi, the House Speaker, and three candidates who have dropped out of the contest - former senator John Edwards and senators Chris Dodd and Joe Biden - have spoken to Gore recently. None has declared allegiance, although Gore is said to have been wooed by supporters of both Clinton and Obama.

Gore's possible role is especially intriguing because of his complicated history with the Clintons. Some of his allies accused Bill Clinton of concentrating more on his wife's run for the Senate in 2000 than on Gore's bid for the presidency. In turn, Bill Clinton felt snubbed when Gore did not call on his famed campaigning abilities in the final weeks of the battle with Bush.

Already the arguments over process have begun. Trailing for the first time after successive defeats in eight states since Super Tuesday, Hillary Clinton has renewed her call for the result of last month's Florida primary to count in the final reckoning. If she gets her way, it could yet push her back to pole position, assuming the contests in Texas, Ohio and Pennsylvania fall largely in her favour.

'Sure, she has a big hill to climb, but never count a Clinton out,' said Don Fowler, a former national chairman of the Democrats and a prominent supporter of her campaign.

The Florida lifeline would be thrown if the party's national leadership rescinded a decision that was supported by Obama and Clinton when it was made last summer. The Sunshine State decided it was too important to wait until after the Super Tuesday voting of 5 February and brought forward its primary to 29 January. As punishment for the breach of party rules, the state's 210 delegates were barred from August's convention.

Clinton won the ballot with 50 per cent of the vote to Obama's 33 per cent, and the same thing happened in Michigan, which Clinton won with 55 per cent of the vote and where Obama's name was not on the ballot, excluding another 156 delegates.

'The people of Michigan and Florida spoke in a very convincing way, that they want their voices and their votes to be heard,' Clinton said. 'The turnout in both places was record-breaking and I think that should be respected. They have a right to be heard just as much as anyone else.'

Obama, who leads by about 100 delegates and is 700 short of the winning post of 2,025 after victories last week in Maine, Maryland, Virginia and the District of Columbia, unsurprisingly takes a different view, given the advantage those delegates would restore to his rival.

'At the 11th hour, the Clinton campaign is trying to rewrite rules that were firmly established and I don't think there's a lot of appetite for that,' said David Plouffe, Obama's campaign manager.

But Obama has said he would be happy for the two states' delegates to attend the convention providing their participation did not affect the result. 'I think even my six-year-old would understand it would not be fair for Senator Clinton to be awarded delegates when there was no campaign,' Obama said.

With both camps lobbing insults and the issue becoming an increasing distraction before the next round of primaries in Hawaii, Washington and Wisconsin on Tuesday, and more significant elections in Texas, Ohio, Rhode Island and Vermont a week later, Democrat chairman Howard Dean is under pressure to find a solution acceptable to both sides.

Clinton has numerous other headaches as her challenge nears its make- or-break point. A tumultuous week saw her campaign manager, Patti Solis Doyle, replaced and David Wilhelm, the key strategist behind Bill Clinton's 1992 presidential campaign, declaring his support for Obama.

Moreover, there are signs that Clinton's support from prominent black leaders is eroding - the New York Times reported that veteran civil rights activist John Lewis had switched his allegiance to Obama. Exit polls at last week's primaries suggested that women voters are also turning away.

'It's been a bad week for her, but I wouldn't count her out yet,' said Michael McDonald, professor of government and politics at Virginia's George Mason University. 'Obama has never been a front-runner before and now he's receiving attacks not only from Clinton, but also John McCain. They're saying he has no substance, and the attacks that follow will colour in the picture for the voters.'

Fowler, meanwhile, laments that this latest controversy is taking place in Florida, scene of the disputed 2000 election when Democrats insist Bush 'stole' victory, and consequently the White House, from Gore by a margin of just 537 votes.

'There have been other controversial elections in our history going back to the 18th century and Florida has been a questionable state in a few of them,' he said. 'Maybe it's the heat down there that's getting to them and making them do crazy things
 

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I will go completely postal if they count MI/FL in the end.......I get the fact that they deserve to heard, but they agreed on the rules:shrug: Its bad enough there are super-delegates around to potentially make a travashamockery of the republic.......now these two want the rules changed, or worse, ignored. I seriously hope Barry knocks one out of the yard in Austin........it'll be like watching the Jints beeoch-slap the Pats........strangely satisfying.
 

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If anything, I think we should go back to Fla & Mich and let the people of those states vote again. Let their votes be counted .... There has to be a re-vote in Mich & Fla because the people need to know when they vote what it means.... how can you use a vote or even have a vote, when the voter or the ones that don't show up to vote know that their votes won't count..... Makes no sense to me... We can spend billions and blood in Iraq but we can't have every vote count in America ????? Lets set a date for Fla & Mich and get it done..... What are we ???? some third world wanna be ??? I'm sick of this bull shit... With technology the way it is, there should be NO DOUBT IN AMERICA THAT EVERY VOTE IN EVERY ELECTION IS COUNTED THE WAY IT WAS CAST.... If we can't do that, we can not lead with moral authority or certainty. Bush wants to nation build in Iraq.... Let us go back to FLA & Mich and send a message to America & the World that we value the basics of freedom. What's more important than, how we elect our President ????? Lets Nation Build In America !!
 

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Interesting angle on supers--

Money Talks

The Democratic presidential nomination could be decided by the so-called "superdelegates." Now one study is revealing that elected officials who serve in that capacity have received at least $890,000 in campaign contributions from Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama in the last three years.

The nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics says Obama has doled out more than $694,000 to superdelegates ? Clinton has given out about $196,000. With about 400 superdelegates still up for grabs ? one expert says the competition will be fierce.

"Only the limits of human creativity could restrict the ways in which Obama and Clinton will try to be helpful to superdelegates," says Larry Sabato of the University of Virginia. "My guess is that if the nomination actually depends on superdelegates, the unwritten rule may be, 'ask and ye shall receive.' "
 

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Mich and Fld will end up a wash no factor. Dem's want W H and they won't screw this up. Gore won't be needed. And I would guess since Hillary did nothing to help Gore in 2000 she does not want him around.
 

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I saw recently where top Clinton advisor Harold Ickes originally voted for the delegates in FL/MI not to count and now he's pushing for them to count. Big surprise.

He explained that his original vote was as a member of the DNC and his current position is as a member of the Clinton team, thus the difference. Ok, got it. :rolleyes:
 

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If anything, I think we should go back to Fla & Mich and let the people of those states vote again. Let their votes be counted .... There has to be a re-vote in Mich & Fla because the people need to know when they vote what it means.... how can you use a vote or even have a vote, when the voter or the ones that don't show up to vote know that their votes won't count..... Makes no sense to me... We can spend billions and blood in Iraq but we can't have every vote count in America ????? Lets set a date for Fla & Mich and get it done..... What are we ???? some third world wanna be ??? I'm sick of this bull shit... With technology the way it is, there should be NO DOUBT IN AMERICA THAT EVERY VOTE IN EVERY ELECTION IS COUNTED THE WAY IT WAS CAST.... If we can't do that, we can not lead with moral authority or certainty. Bush wants to nation build in Iraq.... Let us go back to FLA & Mich and send a message to America & the World that we value the basics of freedom. What's more important than, how we elect our President ????? Lets Nation Build In America !!

From my understanding, every vote did count. Correct me if I am wrong, but the people of these two states VOTED to have their primary moved thus not count.

Is this not the way it happened? I don't fully understand this whole thing. It's so damn confusing!
 

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It is confusing and makes no sense. How can those votes mean anything when they said before the people went to the polls the delegates would not be counted ? How do we know the numbers would not be different. If I lived in Fla or Mich, I would have not voted under those circumstances.
 

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If I lived in Fla or Mich, I would have not voted under those circumstances.

Agree 100%. What would be the point?

I don't understand how they felt it makes it count more to not count... oh yeah, it's politics. It makes perfect sense!! :shrug:
 
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