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I'm a little confused--Dems won in 06 with promise to cut spending--yet GW had to veto budget because of excessive programs by Dems (over budget) and now this---

Where is all this Change-appears the same ole tax and spend outfit to me:shrug:



WASHINGTON ? Another attempt to put a moratorium on earmarks ? local pet projects slipped into legislation ?- failed Wednesday, a day after House Speaker Nancy Pelosi insisted that an earmark freeze was still a possibility. The House voted against a Republican-backed plan 215 to 199.

Republicans timed their effort to coincide with the release of the annual Congressional Pig Book, distributed by the watchdog group Citizens Against Government Waste. The pig book details pork-barrel spending and was rolled out with pig-costumed staffers pushing barrels.

Overall pork barrel spending went up 30 percent in the 2008 fiscal year and the number of pet projects jumped by 337 percent ? to more than 11,600. The cost of all the earmarked projects was $17.2 billion
 

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The year over year increase from 2007 to 2008 is alarming. The 2007 Pig Book identified 2,658 projects at a cost of $13.2 billion in the Defense and Homeland Security Appropriations Acts for fiscal 2007.

2008 Summary:

Hillary 281 projects 296.2 Million
Obama 52 projects 97.3 Million
McCain 0 projects


Found this interesting, but not surprising. A vote for Hillary, not that anyone outside of Pennsylvania will back the shrew from here on, is a vote for a continuation of the past 2 decades of Bush/Clinton control. Not only are 20 years of control by 2 familes unsettling, but it also goes against the principles on which this country was founded.
 
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I do not have the time to tabulate the total dollar figure by party, but the volume of these projects breaks down as follows by party:


Republican: 3408
Democrat: 5199
Independent: 14


Not sure why the numbers do not add up, but it appears the remainder are mixed party earmarks:shrug:

No surprises if you ask me. Both parties are chock full of greedy liars.......
 

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Definitely want to spend more time on this - I do think it worthy of criticising dems on - as well as Republicans. Notice Wayne saying that Bush had to veto the budget due to excessive Dem projects, which is more of the same stuff. Of course he will blame the dem projects, and say nothing of the republican projects, which of course are probably similarly porked and would assume he would not agree with anything democratic-sponsored for the most part. Despite, of course, running and campaigning - and still maintaining - as being a person who is always willing to reach out and be non-partisan to solve issues...

Will look more at this - definitely a problem for me with Clinton, and worthy of value for McCain (although we have seen him in gray areas on this and lobbyists recently and in the past).
 

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I think that since Clinton is being called out specifically here, it's important to note that she was a co-sponsor of the Earmark Moratorium legislation. I would guess it was political, but she did sign on to be a sponsor. I'd suggest contacting your local senators and voicing your displeasure, if it matters to you. I plan to contact my two senators, who both voted against it.


CAGW Names Senators Who Voted to Kill DeMint-McCain Earmark Moratorium

Washington, D.C. - Citizens Against Government Waste (CAGW) today named all 71 senators who voted against an amendment to impose a one-year earmark moratorium in the fiscal year 2009 Budget Resolution March Porkers of the Month. The amendment was offered by Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.) and had fourteen bipartisan co-sponsors including all three presidential candidates.

As Sen. DeMint has said, ?The earmark process allows politicians to fund pet projects based on political power instead of merit. Earmarks are rarely subject to public hearings or oversight, and they invite the kind of corruption that has sent lawmakers to jail.?

In addition to inviting fraudulent behavior, earmarking diverts lawmakers? attention from important national business, like saving Medicare and Social Security for future generations. Many congressional offices have one or more staffers dedicated to procuring earmarks.

A year-long moratorium is a critical step forward to stopping Congress?s addiction to earmarking. It would give members time to reform the process, devote more effort to critical issues, and help keep money in taxpayers? wallets instead of being diverted to Washington where it can be converted into pork. In fiscal 2008, pork-barrel spending ballooned to 11,612 projects costing $17.2 billion.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) opposed the ban as ?unrealistic? and even went so far as to erroneously claim that earmarking ?has been going in this country for 230-some-odd years,? and that ?The Founding Fathers would be cringing to hear people talking about eliminating earmarks.?

To the contrary, the Founding Fathers are rolling in their graves right now to hear their legacy so completely distorted. In 1796, Thomas Jefferson predicted the slippery slope of the federal government funding local road projects when he said, ?it will be a scene of eternal scramble among the members, who can get the most money wasted in their State; and they will always get most who are meanest.? In 1822, President James Monroe argued that federal money should be limited ?to great national works only, since if it were unlimited it would be liable to abuse and might be productive of evil.?

Today, Appropriations Committee members arbitrarily pick winners and losers by earmarking funds for specific recipients. Rank and file members, backed by an army of lobbyists, bypass authorizing committees and lobby appropriators directly for pet projects. This unrivaled power over pork explains why Sen. Judd Gregg (R-N.H.), an appropriator, self-interestedly said about the amendment: ?It's just such a crock. This is such political hype.?

For protecting their personal pork projects at the expense of the national interest, CAGW names the 71 senators who voted against a year-long earmark moratorium its March 2008 Porkers of the Month.


Citizens Against Government Waste is the nation?s largest nonpartisan, nonprofit organization dedicated to eliminating waste, fraud, abuse, and mismanagement in government. Porker of the Month is a dubious honor given to lawmakers, government officials, and political candidates who have shown a blatant disregard for the interests of taxpayers.


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Definitely want to spend more time on this - I do think it worthy of criticising dems on - as well as Republicans. Notice Wayne saying that Bush had to veto the budget due to excessive Dem projects, which is more of the same stuff. Of course he will blame the dem projects, and say nothing of the republican projects, which of course are probably similarly porked and would assume he would not agree with anything democratic-sponsored for the most part. Despite, of course, running and campaigning - and still maintaining - as being a person who is always willing to reach out and be non-partisan to solve issues...

Will look more at this - definitely a problem for me with Clinton, and worthy of value for McCain (although we have seen him in gray areas on this and lobbyists recently and in the past).

WASHINGTON ? House Republicans on Thursday night easily sustained President Bush's veto of a Democratic health and education spending bill.

The 277-141 vote looked deceptively close, falling just two votes short of the two-thirds tally required to overturn Bush's veto. But as they did on three previous occasions, GOP leaders confidently managed their ranks to make sure Bush would not be embarrassed.

Some of the congressional combatants already were looking past the veto in hopes that it might prompt the White House to negotiate on that measure and 10 other bills that provide money to Cabinet departments for the budget year that began Oct. 1.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., told reporters that when Congress returns in December from a two-week Thanksgiving recess, Democrats would send Bush a catchall spending bill combining Congress' unfinished budget work ? after cutting about $11 billion from them.

Democrats have written domestic spending bills adding more than $22 billion to Bush's budget, prompting a wave of veto threats from the White House. Reid promised to cut that amount in half, saying it was a fair compromise.
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--and all pork spending--both parties are equally guilty--would like to note per Cie's post--I'm still trying to find something other than "words" that indicate any change from standard tax and spend liberals that Obama has been trying to project.
He's tagged most liberal apparently for a reason--only change I see is he is pro affirmative action to boot.
Thought recent rally with his wife and Mrs Kerry high-fiving was quite approprate :)

---and while on subject of Kerry--funny how Obama backers say the supers should follow wish of state voting then Kerry/Kennedy come out and support Obama :SIB
 

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"Democrats have written domestic spending bills adding more than $22 billion to Bush's budget, prompting a wave of veto threats from the White House."

I wonder what those bills are, specifically? And is it just democratic spending bills that is the problem? No republican spending/pork bills that Bush can mention when talking about a veto? How surprising. He couldn't call out any of the republican sponsored bills at all? None of those are worthy for public attention?

Thank God he's willing to work with Democrats - such a non-partison, that Mr. Bush. :mj07:
 

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Here are some facts that I dug up today. From a book "conservatism betrayed," which was written by somebody who touts himself as one of the founders of Reagon's economic philosophy. Pulling a big time blank on the name......something like Viguere.

I include that info in the hopes that the bush and republican apologists know that this info is coming from a conservative author.


In 1995, the last year the democrats controlled Congress, there were 1,439 earmarks.

In 2005, a decade into republican control of the house and senate, there were over 14,000 earmarks.

In the first five year of W's presidency, prok barrel earmarks increased over 121 percent.

Those are facts.....now onto my own observations:

Last summer, GWB railed against lawmakers for their earmarks. First, where was that sort of rhetoric and concern when his party cronies ran the show? Secondly, the very next day, he slipped over 100 earmarks--which were not itemized or detailed as per the new rules of Congress--worth more than $1 billion into the budget he submitted to congress.

Pork is necessary, sure, to fix roads and other public improvement projects. We need it, but like everything else there needs to accountability, oversight and responsibility. Three traits which this president and the republicans who controlled congress for over decade did not and do not have.

Will the Democrats be any better. Jury is still out, big time.

In their favor, earmarks have been reduced to 12,881 in this year's budget, so at least the number of earmarks is going down. And, unlike under Republican control, we, the public, at least now know what the earmarks are being earmarked for. In the past, they had been part of omnibus or appropriations bills, all of which required just an up or down vote, and all the spending was lumped together in one sum, so nobody would know exactly what the money was for. They had been generic earmarks. Just what we need, right? Well, at least Dems have changed the rules and these earmarks now have to be individually spelled out.

We will see if over the long haul this helps control spending. Cant ask for embarassing wasteful earmarks and just hide them in an omnibus bill anymore, for example. It seems that the media is willing to do more stories on this now as well since the info is more readily available. Maybe they will do their jobs as government watchdogs for a change. You know, instead of serving as lindsay and brittany watchdogs.

But, the problem with earmarks is the party in power loves them, the party who is not hates them. Some of the Dems, newly elected, talk about reigning this in, but get betrayed by the old school, entrenched Dems who are salivating that they control the purse strings again. Remember Murtha saying the ethics bill is crap, as an example.

It is beyond hyprocritcal to hear the current president and republican lawmakers, however, blast earmarks given how they made the problem so much worse over the last decade. Actually, a decade ago this was not even a problem. But, the numbers with them in control speak for themselves. Party of fiscal responsibility, my ass!

I do love McCain's take on this issue, even if its a little naive to say they should not exist, period. Used properly, the pork system can go a long way towards fixing our woeful infrastructure problems throughout the country. The other thing about McCain, and I have said this about him before, is where has he been the last 6-7 years. Yeah, calling out the pork spending now is good, but dont you all think he could have done a world of good on this issue while his party was still in control. Maybe he was marginalized by his cronies, I dont know, but the reason I am not a full on McCain supporter yet is that he should have taken a more adversarial role againt this president and his party, instead of sitting queitly, biding his time and not rocking the boat in prep for this presidential run.

But, I think I would trust a president like McCain or Obama with a line item veto. Actually, I would trust any possible president and any past president with a line item veto. I would not trust the current president as I feel he is more motivated by politics than any of his predesscors. And, I say that as a amateur presidental scholar. But, I think the contrast of his rhetoric and actions on this issue speaks volumes about the true quality, or lack of quality, of his presidency.

Ok, all over the map on this post, but I have been writing it in between work fires. Hope it makes sense.

Cheers!
 

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But, the problem with earmarks is the party in power loves them, the party who is not hates them. Some of the Dems, newly elected, talk about reigning this in, but get betrayed by the old school, entrenched Dems who are salivating that they control the purse strings again. Remember Murtha saying the ethics bill is crap, as an example.

Preach on Rev!!!

Don't know if I can trust any one man or woman with the line-item power, but w/o a permanent, genuine campaign finance revolution, is there any other way out of this morass?

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Unfortunately mor ass is what we will get from our government and elected leaders. I wonder if they control their personal purse strings the way they handle the public purse.
 
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