Gas here just went to $3.69...

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The price would go down if the environmentalist wackos would allow us to drill our own oil. We cant drill in Alaska, off the coast of California, Florida or Louisiana, so what do you expect when they have us by the balls? The price of gas goes up especially when OPEC is not expected to increase production. I say we start using Iraq's oil as a start.

supply and demand
 

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Spend most of my time in Santa Barbara. Sometimes my car will sit 10 days without driving it. Almost all walking and biking for me - everything I need is within a mile or 2.


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SMURPH :bigun: :bigun: :bigun:


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It's not a bad lifestyle. Everytime I think I'm paying too much for rent, I calculate how much I'm saving in other ways.



me -> :hitwithro <- kramer

HEY - Already can't wait for Hippo-Kramer 2008!:00hour
 

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Just read where Congress is going to make it mandatory for cars to get 31 mpg by 2015.

they are just stupid.

Make it mandatory in 2009.

They always got to push shit back years and years so GM and the rest can continue to sell the SUVs .
 

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Scott, we have the tecnology to eliminate a major
percentage of oil dependence, guess who owns
the patents.
 

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Scott, we have the tecnology to eliminate a major
percentage of oil dependence, guess who owns
the patents.

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I hope its not exxon, BP, and texaco.

It probably is though.
 

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Guys hang in there. As soon as ya get your stimulus check you can fill up your cars. things should level out after that. Its the last big grab. There is an election coming up so that is good for a fifty cent drop. Lets see if we can find a couple of guys to vote in who deal in h2o so we can pay 5 dollars a gallon for water. That dirty no gooder Chavez charges his people 12 cents a gallon.
 

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CARB abandons Electric cars and fuel cells, caves in to GM again
Congress, the press, and National Public Radio pay more attention to the health of oil companies than they pay to the health of America. For the Bush administration, Big Oil is where the money and power comes from; no one seems willing to develop real alternatives to Big Oil's sordid monopoly.

General Motors (GM) killed the Electric car all over again when it forced California regulators to let it out of its previous promises to mass-produce Zero Emission Vehicles (ZEV), either Fuel Cell or Battery-powered Electric cars.

On Mar. 27, 2008 Governor Schwarzenegger's appointed Air Resources Board (CARB) released GM from the agreement of March and April, 2003 for mass production of Zero Emission Vehicles (ZEV) by 2014 at the latest. At that time, GM claimed that the proven fleet of battery Electric cars was too expensive, and that the future was Fuel Cell cars. GM asked only for five years for research, after which they would swing into production of tens of thousands of Fuel Cell cars.

Electric car advocates had cast doubt on this promise at the time, as documented in the 2006 movie "Who Killed the Electric Car". Under color of this commitment to build Fuel Cell cars, GM crushed its fleet of Electric cars, the EV1, and CARB made no protest. The only ZEV left in the hands of the public are 328 Toyota battery Electric cars, the RAV4-EV, last sold in 2002.

Now, five years later, fuel cell research has failed, as GM now admits. But instead of going back to building the proven Electric car, GM went back to CARB to be released from any obligation to build mass quantities of any Zero Emission Vehicle.

Schwarzenegger's chosen successor for CARB Chair, Dan Sperling, not only caved in to this outrageous demand, but announced further plans to formally reduce the ZEV mandate to a mere research program. There will be no mass production planned even in the distant future.

Because of this "overhaul", GM's phony commitment to clean cars will remain a demonstration program only, with no ZEV for sale to the general public.

No one is covering this story; the media seems to be ignoring it.

Yet it's the most important story of our time, impacting everything from foreign oil wars to clean energy, pollution, refineries, economics and permanent lung damage in kids living near Internal Combustion cars.

No media outlet seems willing to point out that Schwarzenegger's CARB is little more than an adjunct to GM Public Relations.

CARB continues its inane career, spending $750 million a year fining small business, making much noise over nothing, while unwilling to face up to the big bully, Big Oil and GM.

A study presented to CARB last year showed that children living in close proximity to Internal Combustion exhaust from freeways had more permanent lung damage than children living a mile away. Both have permanently degraded lung development in the critical years of 12 through 18........................................................
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The real fear of GM and Ford etc is that no gasoline powered cars will result in very few repairs. They lose the service side of their business and it all about the bottom line.

Electric cars would not need oil changes, carburators, plugs, and everything else that comes with todays cars. The big car companys would more than likely go down the tubes.

With no moving parts except wheels, the cars would last years and years. Replace the batteries and keep on truckin.

Alot of people would lose their jobs.

Its a no win situation.


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Jumped to 359 for regular today & and 3.89 for the 93 my vehicle requires.

I think I might buy a moped.

No doubt my car will be a hybrid that is GREAT on gas.

This is crazy $80 to fill up my tank now. The wife & I are now spending about $150 a week on gas alone. :scared
 

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Jumped to 359 for regular today & and 3.89 for the 93 my vehicle requires.

I think I might buy a moped.

No doubt my car will be a hybrid that is GREAT on gas.

This is crazy $80 to fill up my tank now. The wife & I are now spending about $150 a week on gas alone. :scared

it's a marketing scam by BMW to say it requires 93 octane only high performance air cooled motors like early Porsche require high octane
 

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California was well on it's way to oil independence in the late 80's/early 90's. We would be in a much better place now if not for Oil/Auto and Feds stopping us from very effective legislation back then.

http://www.whokilledtheelectriccar.com/

Ever notice when they show highest gas prices in the nation--its always Ca ?

Maybe because they have highest state tax on gas in nation--and in addition
"residents of California are saddled with expensive gasoline because the State operates its own reformulated gasoline program with more stringent requirements than Federally-mandated clean gasoline."

On a diff issue update Brazil oil find noted above--

Brazil Oil Finds May End Reliance on Middle East, Zeihan Says

By Joe Carroll

April 24 (Bloomberg) -- Brazil's discoveries of what may be two of the world's three biggest oil finds in the past 30 years could help end the Western Hemisphere's reliance on Middle East crude, Strategic Forecasting Inc. said.

Saudi Arabia's influence as the biggest oil exporter would wane if the fields are as big as advertised, and China and India would become dominant buyers of Persian Gulf oil, said Peter Zeihan, vice president of analysis at Strategic Forecasting in Austin, Texas. Zeihan's firm, which consults for companies and governments around the world, was described in a 2001 Barron's article as ``the shadow CIA.''

Brazil may be pumping ``several million'' barrels of crude daily by 2020, vaulting the nation into the ranks of the world's seven biggest producers, Zeihan said in a telephone interview. The U.S. Navy's presence in the Persian Gulf and adjacent waters would be reduced, leaving the region exposed to more conflict, he said.

``We could see that world becoming a very violent one,'' said Zeihan, former chief of Middle East and East Asia analysis for Strategic Forecasting. ``If the United States isn't getting any crude from the Gulf, what benefit does it have in policing the Gulf anymore? All of the geopolitical flux that wracks that region regularly suddenly isn't our problem.''

Tupi and Carioca

Brazil's state-controlled Petroleo Brasileiro SA in November said the offshore Tupi field may hold 8 billion barrels of recoverable crude. Among discoveries in the past 30 years, only the 15-billion-barrel Kashagan field in Kazakhstan is larger.

Haroldo Lima, director of the country's oil agency, last week said another subsea field, Carioca, may have 33 billion barrels of oil. That would be the third biggest field in history, behind only the Ghawar field in Saudi Arabia and Burgan in Kuwait.

Analysts Mark Flannery of Credit Suisse Group and Gustavo Gattass of UBS AG challenge the estimate for Carioca. Lima, the Brazilian oil agency director, later attributed the figure to a magazine.

Flannery told clients during an April 16 conference call that 600 million barrels is a ``reasonable'' estimate and suggested Lima may have been referring to the entire geologic formation to which Carioca belongs.

Supply Boost

Carioca is one of seven fields identified so far in the BM- S-9 exploration area, part of a formation called Sugar Loaf.

If additional drilling by Petrobras, as Petroleo Brasileiro is known, confirms the Tupi and Carioca estimates, the fields together would contain enough oil to supply every refinery on the U.S. Gulf Coast for 15 years. Petrobras said it needs at least three months to determine how much crude Carioca may hold.

Zeihan said that beyond supply gains from Brazil, it will take a tripling of Canadian oil-sands output and greater fuel efficiency to end Western reliance on Middle East oil.

The U.S. imports about 10 million barrels of oil a day, or 66 percent of its needs, according to the Energy Department in Washington. Saudi Arabia was the second-largest supplier in January, behind Canada.

Persian Gulf nations accounted for 23 percent of U.S. imports, compared with Brazil's 1.7 percent share. Brazilian crude output rose 1.9 percent last year to 2.14 million barrels, according to the International Energy Agency.

``Hemispheric energy independence sounds a little pie-in- the-sky given that this hemisphere already is generating one- third of overall global demand,'' said Jason Gammel, an oil analyst at Macquarie Bank Ltd. in New York. ``It's pretty tough to talk about self-sufficiency unless we were to see food-based biofuels taking an even bigger role in the next five to 10 years than is already mandated.''

Offshore Fields

Zeihan predicts a 2012 start to production at Tupi. Technology needed to tap fields like Tupi, which sit hundreds of miles offshore beneath thousands of feet of rock, sand and salt, hasn't been developed, he said.

Petrobras, Chevron Corp., Royal Dutch Shell Plc and Norsk Hydro ASA plan to start pumping oil from eight Brazilian fields in the next 2 1/2 years that will produce a combined 1.02 million barrels a day, enough to supply two-thirds of the crude used by U.S. East Coast refineries.

More discoveries will follow in Brazil's offshore basins, most of which have yet to be opened to exploration, Zeihan said. Repsol YPF SA, Exxon Mobil Corp. and Devon Energy Corp. are among the producers scouring Brazil's waters for reserves.

``The finds they've got so far are just the tip of the iceberg,'' Zeihan said. ``Brazil is going to change the balance of the global oil markets, and Petrobras will become a geopolitical supermajor.''
 
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The price would go down if the environmentalist wackos would allow us to drill our own oil. We cant drill in Alaska, off the coast of California, Florida or Louisiana, so what do you expect when they have us by the balls? The price of gas goes up especially when OPEC is not expected to increase production. I say we start using Iraq's oil as a start.

supply and demand

I think you may have the wrong guys again.

Rep. Peter DeFazio (D-OR04) railed against the Republican special interests that prevent any real progress from being made on getting control over skyrocketing fuel prices and huge profits being realized by oil companies while consumers struggle with high fuel costs ... " Now, there?s a few things we could do. Now, the president?s a big free trader, right? He?s trying to push us into more free trade agreements. They say they work great. He wants ?rules-based trade.? Well, we?re in the WTO, they have rules. The rules say you can not restrict the supply of a commodity simply to drive up the price. That?s what OPEC?s doing. Now five members of OPEC are in the WTO. Will this president ? the oil man ?- the friend of the Saudis and the others ? will he file a complaint in the World Trade Organization against OPEC? No. I wrote to him three years ago, asking him to do that. The answer was no. If the Saudis and the OPEC countries want to get together and collude to drive up the price of the oil, that?s just fine with George Bush. He?s all for free trade, and rules-based trade, except when the rules might hurt some of his buddies. And then, the oil industry just piggy backs on top of that ..".... The Gavel: The price for regular gasoline reached a record $3.53 per gallon today ? 23 percent more than this time last year and 140 percent more than when President Bush took office. The Democratic-led Congress has passed a number of key bills to reduce the burden of rising gas prices on Americans and make America less dependent on foreign oil ? but the President has threatened to veto each one. House Democrats call on President Bush to support House-passed legislation such as the No Oil Producing and Exporting Cartels (NOPEC) Act, The Energy Price Gouging Act, and the Renewable Energy and Energy Conservation Tax Act and bring real relief to America?s families and businesses now.
 

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Ever notice when they show highest gas prices in the nation--its always Ca ?

Maybe because they have highest state tax on gas in nation--and in addition
"residents of California are saddled with expensive gasoline because the State operates its own reformulated gasoline program with more stringent requirements than Federally-mandated clean gasoline."

And it should be this way. California faces the worst air pollution challenges. We need cleaner fuels. It disgusts me the way the state's efforts to get off oil are thwarted by the feds, auto, and oil companies. We are like drug addicts attempting to get clean, but the dealers keep hiding heroin in our food.
 

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I have a question for california residents.

When you travel to Los Angeles is the smog still so bad you can cut it with a knife ?


There are days in atlanta when its bad , but not everyday, where you can see it.
 

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is it like this everyday ?

that would suck
 

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is it like this everyday ?

that would suck

That pic looks like a fire - probably not smog.

I remember as a kid late 70's-early 80's there were "smog alerts" many times a year. I remember the very strange short of breath cough I would get on these days. We'd be running wind sprints at pee wee football practice - all the kids were dying, wheezing, barely able to finish - but the coach just thought we were doggin it and he'd make us run more.

It got WAY better since then. If not for the extra investments and tough standards, it would still be as bad as then. But it's still not very good. We try to get better, but it's tough when so many powerful forces are against you.


Til then, I'll just live here and walk as much as possible...

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Was watching Fox last night and Oreilly was arguing with futures trader on who is responsible for high gas pices--for what I have always thought to be an intelligent person it amazes me that Oreilly can not get it through his thick head--gas companies only have small impact on price of gas--he continuined to ignore what trader was explaining to him in very simple language--and O's only answer for everything was its the oil and gas companies--was quite disappointed in him.

elements of price of gas--

--primary factor is price of oil.
Price of oil is set by future traders who try to speculate on supply and demand/

demand has increased greatly especially in emerging markets-China -india ect.

Opec can increase production (supply) to meet demand but has failed to do so inflating prices--other factors on supply could be weather- wars- strikes ect.

Once price of oil is established (per supply/demand) then comes oil complanies job of pricing gas based on cost of oil-refining-and profit.

Regardless of what you read the U.S. gov has little to no power in reducing cost of gas other than finding our own resources via exploration and drilling or finding way to rduce demand--Mcain & Obama can't do squat regardless of what they say.
--and congress showed you what power they have when one of main themes Dem's had in 06 was bringing down cost of gas then--Hello
--and Rebs will promise same thing with same results.

So much for ways to reduce cost--what about pitfalls to increase prices--
We can continue to consume more oil/gas than any country in the word--continue to not tap into huge reserves under our own soil and offshore--
--Thinking that taxing gas companies more will not be passed on to consumer
--and speaking of tax--the worst scenerio of all--increasing gas taxes on consumer, which is constant drain regardless of if all other issues are resolved.
 

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Up another dime this AM. Sat $3.699 today $3.799 in 5 days? :scared

At what point do people say screw it I'm paying more to get to work than I'm making?
 

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75 degrees here top down nice joy ridie today burned up some gas :00hour
 
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