Response to My Thoughts on Guns

WhatsHisNuts

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Someone just posted this response to my post which basically said that if you own 2 shotguns, 2 pistols and another firearm, it's not because of self defense.....it's for the same reason that middle aged men buy Corvettes.

Here's the response:
Can I ask you a question? I'm not trying to be a wise guy, but, what will you do when the food runs out? What will you do when you can't walk across the street to get a loaf of bread? What will you do when the farmers stop farming due to increased energy costs? What will you eat when the truckers can't afford to keep trucking the food to market? The answers to these questions will be hard learned in the cities, not so bad in the country, people who live in the country will hunt and fish and trap to survive. Also, if the food does get in short supply in the cities, where will those people go looking for food? I'll tell you where, out in the country, and when people get hungry enough they will go to any extreme to feed them selfs. Now I am not saying this is an current threat to our way of life, but it is something think about.

We live in desperate times my friend, money is short for many,and for many larceny is an option they choose, guns are a part of theft deterrent and personal protection, better safe than sorry.

The way things are going, with the cost of energy going sky high, the farmers will have to charge more for produce, then the trucker who brings it to processing will have to charge more, then the companies that process will have to charge more, then it gets moved again to the retailer, more trucking costs, then the retailer has to charge more because his overhead has gone up. ALL COST INCREASES DUE TO INCREASED ENERGY COSTS ARE PASSED ALONG TO THE CONSUMER.
 

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I didn't say it was a concern at the present time, I said, better safe than sorry. As far as your smart ass reply, I don't personally subscribe to the extra-terrestrial thing, but, if you do, it's ok with me.

Sorry Gary just breaking balls
 

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By the way if you and I had to get in a room to have a fight with our arsenals at hand, we would be fist fighting
 

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I believe every "self defense" gun owner has fantasies about being some kind of hero. They want to use their penis...err, I mean gun to miraculously save someone's life and bring down a bad guy - much like that joke about the screaming terrorists charging around the corner at the guy and his family. Sadly, this will not happen for 99.999% of them. It's more likely that they will hurt themselves or a loved one or have the gun stolen.

Then again, the English might invade any day, so I wouldn't want to take away anyone's right to defend themselves against the King's soldiers.
 

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I believe every "self defense" gun owner has fantasies about being some kind of hero. They want to use their penis...err, I mean gun to miraculously save someone's life and bring down a bad guy - much like that joke about the screaming terrorists charging around the corner at the guy and his family. Sadly, this will not happen for 99.999% of them. It's more likely that they will hurt themselves or a loved one or have the gun stolen.

Then again, the English might invade any day, so I wouldn't want to take away anyone's right to defend themselves against the King's soldiers.

:rolleyes:
 

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I believe every "self defense" gun owner has fantasies about being some kind of hero. They want to use their penis...err, I mean gun to miraculously save someone's life and bring down a bad guy - much like that joke about the screaming terrorists charging around the corner at the guy and his family. Sadly, this will not happen for 99.999% of them. It's more likely that they will hurt themselves or a loved one or have the gun stolen.

Then again, the English might invade any day, so I wouldn't want to take away anyone's right to defend themselves against the King's soldiers.

Speaking of penis's --25 million people die of aids and folks are worried bout a few guy with guns in his home. :cool:

Gary --On the guy worried about food supply running out--tell him as long as gov is paying farmers not to plant crops--I doubt we have any probs in near future
--and on the inceased energy cost- remind him come november who wants to increase gas tax.
 

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Gary --On the guy worried about food supply running out--tell him as long as gov is paying farmers not to plant crops--I doubt we have any probs in near future
--and on the inceased energy cost- remind him come november who wants to increase gas tax.


Wayne: If you think I would respond with anything but sarcasm and jest, you are mistaken. Anyone that tells me they need to carry multiple firearms in case of a food shortage riot deserves nothing short of ridicule. I just reread the response and still can't believe he had the guts to post such nonsense.

PS: I'm looking forward to seeing you again at the golf outing. I know we disagree on a lot of things but I enjoyed meeting you and your wife last summer.
 

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Come next year we may be looking at a CORN CRISIS!!! Not much corn has been planted Y-T-D and with corn being used for everything from food to ethanol....them fellas in Iowa better get to planting, May 10th is a critical date when it comes to corn production and they are WAY BEHIND, so if the corn doesnt get caught up then theres gonna be ALOT more rising cost around the nation. But I am buying as many boxes of CORN FLAKES as possible NOW and storing them in my bunker shelter so anyone that tries to come take my cornflakes or ciphen gas out my truck, I got my shotguns and pistols close by as well......just waiting on them city slickers to come looking for my stash:firing: :0corn
And we wonder why the rest of the world is passing us by....if 1 out of every 1,000,000 persons thinks like the above poster it easy to understand!!! :shrug:
 

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Wayne: If you think I would respond with anything but sarcasm and jest, you are mistaken. Anyone that tells me they need to carry multiple firearms in case of a food shortage riot deserves nothing short of ridicule. I just reread the response and still can't believe he had the guts to post such nonsense.

PS: I'm looking forward to seeing you again at the golf outing. I know we disagree on a lot of things but I enjoyed meeting you and your wife last summer.

Looking forward to seeing you again also--on guying responding--prob wouldn't waste effort responding to him.
 

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The National Self-Defense Survey indicated that there were 2.5 million incidents of defensive gun use per year in the U.S. during the 1988-1993 period. This is probably a conservative estimate, for two reasons. First, cases of respondents intentionally withholding reports of genuine defensive-gun uses were probably more common than cases of respondents reporting incidents that did not occur or that were not genuinely defensive. Second, the survey covered only adults age 18 and older, thereby excluding all defensive gun uses involving adolescents, the age group most likely to suffer a violent victimization.

http://www.pulpless.com/gunclock/kleck2.html
 

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Guns and Crime

by John R. Lott, Jr.

Philadelphia had 406 homicides in 2007, and, at 28 per 100,000 people, it also had the highest murder rate of any major city in the United States. No wonder Philadelphians want things done.

Recently, the city focused on a new tragedy, the murder of a 12-year police veteran and father of three, Sgt. Stephen Liczbinski, by three bank robbers with long, violent criminal records.

To Gov. Rendell, Mayor Nutter, Police Commissioner Charles Ramsey, and freshman U.S. Rep. Joe Sestak, the solution is simple: more gun control. After pushes failed for new state and local laws, last Thursday these four politicians announced that the solution to Philadelphia's problems was re-enacting the Federal Assault Weapons Ban.

They focused on the Chinese SKS rifle used to shoot Liczbinski five times. Rendell claims that "the only people who should have weapons like this is the police and the military." Some are calling the SKS an "assault weapon," although it is not so defined in any federal law and is not banned as such. And although the phrase assault weapon conjures up images of the rapid-fire machine guns used by the military, the SKS rifle is not a machine gun, instead functioning the same way as any semiautomatic hunting rifle. It fires a bullet similar to (indeed, slightly less powerful than) those fired from deer-hunting rifles, with the exact same rapidity.

This debate might make more sense if there were some evidence that the Federal Assault Weapons Ban lowered crime rates, but all the published academic studies by criminologists and economists find that neither the initial ban in 1994 nor its sun-setting in 2004 changed rates of murder or other violent crimes. Similarly, there is no evidence that state bans have mattered.

For example, a report for the National Institute of Justice by Christopher Koper, Daniel Woods and Jeffrey Roth at the University of Pennsylvania's Jerry Lee Center of Criminology studied the first nine years of the federal ban and found that "we cannot clearly credit the ban with any of the nation's recent drop in gun violence. And, indeed, there has been no discernible reduction in the lethality and injuriousness of gun violence." They note that "the gun-ban provision targets a relatively small number of weapons based on outward features or accessories that have little to do with the weapons' operation."

Even gun control groups realize that the presence or absence of such laws make little difference. Before the federal law sunset, a representative for the Violence Policy Center, a gun control group, said that "if the existing assault-weapons ban expires, I personally do not believe it will make one whit of difference one way or another in terms of our objective, which is reducing death and injury and getting a particularly lethal class of firearms off the streets." The center argued that the law involved only "minor changes in appearance."

Indeed, the U.S. murder rate was 5.7 per 100,000 people in 2003, the last full year before the law sunset. It was still 5.7 in 2006. Over the same period, the rate of violent crimes fell slightly. In the 43 states without their own assault-weapons bans, the murder rates fell, while they rose in the seven states with such bans. Violent-crime rates fell more quickly in the 43 without bans than in the seven states with them.

Yet it always seems easier for politicians to blame the lack of gun control rather than focusing on their own responsibilities. When Washington and Chicago experienced explosions in murder and violent crime after banning handguns, leaders there did not blame their bans, but rather they blamed the rest of the country that had not also adopted stricter regulations.

Ultimately, however, is it really surprising that Philadelphia's murder rates have risen while its arrest rates have fallen?

Former state House Speaker John Perzel proposed a different approach (an approach Rendell opposes) to fix Philadelphia's low and falling arrest rates. Perzel's solution? Help Philadelphia hire more police.

If politicians are unwilling to spend more money on police or to make the police force work more effectively, there is another solution: Encourage law-abiding citizens to defend themselves. One possibility is to eliminate fees for poor law-abiding people, those who are the most vulnerable victims of crime, to obtain concealed-handgun permits. If the government isn't going to protect people, why charge them for the opportunity to defend themselves? Research by David Mustard at the University of Georgia also found that more concealed-handgun permits reduce the number of criminals with guns and thus reduce violence against police officers.

Obsessing on gun control proposals distracts from doing what works. At some point it should be obvious to everyone, even politicians, that all the hype about "assault weapons" is just wrong.

This article was originally published by the Philadelphia Inquirer.
 
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