US Held Wrong Detainees for Years

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GUANTANAMO BAY
U.S. held wrong detainees for years
Many innocent men among terror suspects, probe shows

Sunday, June 15, 2008 4:06 AM
By Tom Lasseter

McCLATCHY NEWSPAPERS

Mohammed Akhtiar spent three years at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, where he was abused by other detainees because they knew he wasn't an enemy of the United States.
GARDEZ, Afghanistan -- The militants crept up behind Mohammed Akhtiar as he squatted at the spigot to wash his hands before evening prayers at the Guantanamo Bay detention camp.

They shouted Allahu Akbar -- God is great -- as one of them hefted a metal mop squeezer into the air, slammed it into Akhtiar's head and sent thick streams of blood running down his face.

American troops dragged Akhtiar out of his home in Gardez, Afghanistan, in May 2003, flew him to Guantanamo in shackles that July and held him there for more than three years. The tribal leader from eastern Afghanistan belonged to an insurgent group and had taken part in rocket attacks on U.S. forces, American officials said.

Akhtiar was among the more than 770 terrorism suspects who were imprisoned at the U.S. naval base at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attack. They are, the Bush administration has said, "the worst of the worst."

The Islamic radicals in Guantanamo's Camp Four who hissed infidel, spat at Akhtiar and assaulted him, however, knew something his captors didn't: The U.S. government had the wrong guy.

"He was not an enemy of the government, he was a friend of the government," a senior Afghan intelligence officer said. Akhtiar was imprisoned at Guantanamo on the basis of false information that local anti-government insurgents fed to U.S. troops, he said.
An eight-month investigation in 11 countries on three continents has found that Akhtiar was one of dozens and perhaps hundreds of men whom the United States has wrongfully imprisoned in Afghanistan, Cuba and elsewhere on the basis of flimsy or fabricated evidence, old personal scores or bounty payments.
McClatchy interviewed 66 released detainees along with a number of local officials, primarily in Afghanistan, and reviewed available U.S. military tribunal documents and other records.

Most of the 66 were low-level Taliban grunts, innocent Afghan villagers or ordinary criminals, the McClatchy investigation found. At least seven had been working for the U.S.-backed Afghan government and had no ties to militants, according to Afghan local officials.

Of course, Guantanamo also houses Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the alleged mastermind of the Sept. 11 attack, who along with four other high-profile detainees faces military commission charges.

Cases also have been opened against 15 other detainees for assorted offenses, such as attending al-Qaida training camps.

But because Guantanamo was set up under special rules that allowed indefinite detention without charges, it's impossible to know how many of the 770 men who've been held there were terrorists.


The McClatchy investigation concluded, however, that many of the detainees there posed no danger to the United States or its allies and were imprisoned because U.S. officials were fearful of mistakenly letting a militant go free.

McClatchy's interviews are the most ever conducted with former Guantanamo detainees by a U.S. news organization. The issue of detainee backgrounds has been reported on previously by other media outlets, but not as comprehensively.

McClatchy also in many cases did more research than either the U.S. military at Guantanamo, which often relied on secondhand accounts, or the detainees' lawyers, who relied mainly on the detainees' accounts.

The investigation found that although U.S. forces often didn't know whom they were holding or how to obtain credible intelligence from them without enough trained interrogators and skilled linguists, prisoners were beaten and abused by military police, prison guards and intelligence officers.

A series of White House directives placed "suspected enemy combatants" beyond the reach of U.S. law or the 1949 Geneva Conventions' protections for prisoners of war.

Instead of making America safer, the administration's detainee policies have radicalized detainees, fueled support for extremist Islamist groups, troubled even America's closest allies and turned Guantanamo into a school for jihad, Islamic holy war.

The administration even might have inadvertently sabotaged its ability to prosecute the terrorists it has imprisoned, because evidence gained from interrogations that in some cases bordered on torture might not be admissible in military courts.

After the Supreme Court ruling last week that detainees in the war on terrorism have a right to challenge their detentions in U.S. courts, the entire legal edifice the administration has invented since 9/11 could collapse.

The McClatchy investigation found that top Bush administration officials knew within months of opening the Guantanamo detention center that many of the prisoners there weren't "the worst of the worst." From the moment that Guantanamo opened in early 2002, former Secretary of the Army Thomas White said, it was obvious that at least a third of the population didn't belong there.

Of the 66 detainees whom McClatchy interviewed, the evidence indicates that 34 of them, about 52 percent, had connections with militant groups or activities. At least 23 of those 34, however, were Taliban foot soldiers, conscripts, low-level volunteers or adventure-seekers who knew nothing about global terrorism.

Only seven of the 66 were in positions to have had any ties to al-Qaida's leadership, and it isn't clear that any of them knew any terrorists of consequence.

The Pentagon declined requests to make top officials, including the secretary of defense, available to respond to McClatchy's findings. The defense official in charge of detainee affairs, Sandra Hodgkinson, refused to speak with McClatchy.

The Pentagon's only response to a series of written questions from McClatchy, and to a list of 63 of the 66 former detainees interviewed for this story, was a three-paragraph statement.

"These unlawful combatants have provided valuable information in the struggle to protect the U.S. public from an enemy bent on murder of innocent civilians," Col. Gary Keck said in the statement. He provided no examples.

Former senior U.S. defense and intelligence officials, however, said McClatchy's conclusions squared with their own observations.

"As far as intelligence value from those in Gitmo, I got tired of telling the people writing reports based on their interrogations that their material was essentially worthless," a U.S. intelligence officer said in an e-mail, using the military's slang for the Guantanamo base.

Rather than taking a closer look at whom they were holding, a group of five White House, Justice Department and Pentagon lawyers who called themselves the "War Council" devised a legal framework that enabled the administration to detain suspected "enemy combatants" indefinitely with few legal rights.

The threat of new terrorist attacks, the War Council argued, allowed President Bush to disregard or rewrite American law, international treaties and the Uniform Code of Military Justice to permit unlimited detentions and harsh interrogations.

The group further argued that detainees had no legal right to defend themselves and that U.S. soldiers -- along with the War Council members, their bosses and Bush -- should be shielded from prosecution for actions that many experts argue are war crimes.

The Bush administration didn't launch a formal review of the detentions until a 2004 Supreme Court decision forced it to begin holding military tribunals at Guantanamo.

So far, the military commissions have publicly charged only six detainees -- less than 1 percent of the more than 770 who've been at Guantanamo -- with direct involvement in the 9/11 attack. About 500 detainees -- nearly two out of three -- have been released.

During a military review board hearing at Guantanamo, Mohammed Akhtiar had some advice for the U.S. officers seated before him.

"I wish," he said, "that the United States would realize who the bad guys are and who the good guys are."

Read profiles of the 66 detainees interviewed by McClatchy at http://detainees.mcclatchydc.com/detainees.

The "War Council" said the terrorist threat allowed President Bush to disregard or rewrite American law.


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A few things article left out--

Lets get a little fair and balanced reporting ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guantanamo_Bay_detention_camp

Since the beginning of the current war in Afghanistan, 775 detainees have been brought to Guantanamo, approximately 420 of which have been released without charge. As of May 2008, approximately 270 detainees remain.[8] More than a fifth are cleared for release but may have to wait months or years because U.S. officials are finding it increasingly difficult to persuade countries to accept them, according to officials and defense lawyers. Of the roughly 355 still incarcerated, U.S. officials said they intend to eventually put 60 to 80 on trial and free the rest. On February 9, 2008, it was reported that 6 of the detainees at the Guantanamo Bay facility would be tried for conspiracy in the September 11, 2001 attacks.[9]. In May 2008, the Pentagon claimed that 36 former Guantanamo inmates were "confirmed or suspected of having returned to terrorism"[10]




Released Detainees Rejoining The Fight

By John Mintz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, October 22, 2004; Page A01

At least 10 detainees released from the Guantanamo Bay prison after U.S. officials concluded they posed little threat have been recaptured or killed fighting U.S. or coalition forces in Pakistan and Afghanistan, according to Pentagon officials.
 

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The story is about holding the wrong people. How do you find balance there? The fact that they held and released innocent people in the past doesn't justify all the people they held without evidence.
 

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dtb...he still misses the point...we`re involved in a war with people that don`t hold prisoners or give our soldiers anything more than a dull blade across their throats...there are already provisions put in place for these prisoners...provisions that congress and the president agreed to(which the courts asked them to do)...they contradicted their own ruling of 2006.....


just another example of an out of touch with reality, activist court...this is a radical new precedent that "HAS NEVER BEEN DONE BY ANY OTHER COUNTRY AT ANY POINT IN HISTORY!"

i hope that sinks in,gmro.......


this is obviously a terrible ruling which will force the u.s. military to choose between arrsting and releasing those captured... or face devoting huge amounts of resources to the civil judicial requirements put iin effect with this ruling....

now we`ll be forced to devote soldiers to gathering evidence,appearing in civil courts etc and it will cost american lives....and the logistical aspect of this decision is off the charts...un-doable...

can't you just envision it now?..u.s. troops being subpoenaed from the battlefield to testify as to the circumstances of terrorists' detention on the battlefield....troops attending "csi" training on top of everything else they have to train for...

special csi army units deployed to the battlefield to gather evidence for trials....

troops broadcasting to terrorist their "rights" over loud speakers before firing a shot or launching an assault on an enemy position...

"jag" officers dispatched to the front to provide legal services/defense strategy to terrorists.....

hey gmro...maybe you can consider becoming a jihadi bail bondsman...that defense contract would probably be very lucrative...and the cherry on top would be that you won`t have to deal with any miserable christians...lol


what a precedent these morons are setting for future wars..........10`s of thousands of captured soldiers in a traditional war will be clogging our civilian courts...

we`ll now have the eddie haskells of the world working overtly instead of subversively to help the jihadis defeat us....

"the enemy of our enemy is our friend"...in the left`s case,the enemy is our military...our soldiers...the government....the american people...
 

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The story is about holding the wrong people. How do you find balance there? The fact that they held and released innocent people in the past doesn't justify all the people they held without evidence.

it happens in war...it happens in criminal law...

you don`t turn the country upside down to accomodate our enemies....

this is the real world....not a theoretical ,yuppie/atheistic utopia...

wake up!
 

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Are you kidding me?

You can hold prisoners of war and you hold people that have committed or have plotted to commit acts of terror. You can interrogate te living shit out of anybody you want but you can't imprison anyone you want in the name of a made up war.

Get it? Didn't think so.
 

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just to bring a little history to the thread (I know it may be apples and oranges)

Didn't the US have internment camps for Japanese Americans during another war?

Nobody minded in the heat of the horrible actions against the US. I don't remember anybody getting too worked up about Guantanamo Bay until quite a bit of time passed after 9-11.

Again, I'm not agreeing to any of this, but the fact is some bad stuff is going to happen during war. Throw in the fact that this war is UNLIKE any we've been involved with before.

Maybe in the future we can carry on a PC war?? also our opponents will be PC??
 

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This happens everyday. Does it make it right? No. The good news is many were released and not shot. Believe me there are those that would have shot them and ask questions later. I new a couple. And would say there are a couple here. Kill-em all there all guilty, nuke-em they would say. So it is good that ones that were innocent were left to be.
 

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The story is about holding the wrong people. How do you find balance there? The fact that they held and released innocent people in the past doesn't justify all the people they held without evidence.

Us or them, GMROZ:shrug:
 

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Us or them, GMROZ:shrug:

or which side do you want to error on.

whats the worser of evils

Keep 2 that are confined in error
release 2 that are quilty and kill more people.

Same with interrogation--ie waterboarding
Cause limited discomfort to terrorist and get info or don't and have 100's die

--same with electronic eavesdropping

Would pose this question to PC police--
Would one rather apoligize to the few innocent caught in procedures or explain to the families of those that die why we didn't.
 

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or which side do you want to error on.

whats the worser of evils

Keep 2 that are confined in error
release 2 that are quilty and kill more people.

Same with interrogation--ie waterboarding
Cause limited discomfort to terrorist and get info or don't and have 100's die

--same with electronic eavesdropping

Would pose this question to PC police--
Would one rather apoligize to the few innocent caught in procedures or explain to the families of those that die why we didn't.

:0corn :0corn
 

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How many times are you guys going to sweep on past my definition of a terrorist? If you think everyone in the region is a terrorist, we should have dropped the bomb (or still should).

For the record, I'm all for torture in the situation you mentioned in your question Wayne.

You're making me out to be the PC Police, when I probably have the strongest position on how to retaliate or deal with actual terrorists on this board (save the morons like Hedgehog who would probably open up their own C Camps).
 

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How many times are you guys going to sweep on past my definition of a terrorist? If you think everyone in the region is a terrorist, we should have dropped the bomb (or still should).

For the record, I'm all for torture in the situation you mentioned in your question Wayne.

You're making me out to be the PC Police, when I probably have the strongest position on how to retaliate or deal with actual terrorists on this board (save the morons like Hedgehog who would probably open up their own C Camps).

I intentially was not referring to you Gary by using the words "would one" instead of "would you". I think you have pretty good slant on most issues.
 

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Liberals should volunteer their homes for these "innocent people", get real LIBS!!! TIA.

Please join our LIBERAL friends in the singing of the Al Quaeda national anthem.

JMO.
 

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in the long run, the former is much worse than the later...

the entire modern legal system is pretty much based on this edict.

just my $0.02

i`d guess you have no relatives or friends in iraq or iran....or had no acquaintances at the towers on 9/11....

you`d rather let them go free and possibly kill american soldiers or civilians...or possibly chop off the heads of those that they capture...or rig helpless mentally retarded dupes with with explosive devices and have them sent into civilian laden venues?.....

rather than holding them until a military court can give have a hearing?...regardless how long it takes?....

not to mention this whole clusterf-ck being based on totally new precedent never before perpetrated in the anals of warfare(how many germans/japanese soldiers got habeas hearings during ww2?....in any war?)..

the correct answer is "none"...because it`s not only insane,but,logistically not feasible...

this is the loony,theoretical left ,my friends...pondering matters of life,death and political correctness from the safety of the posh supreme court...or their safe little coffee shops or chi-chi universities.......

we`re fighting on 2 fronts....
 

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I don't think we should just release them. And as i said above mistakes are made everyday. Not just here acrosse the world. What we need to do if there quilty. Deal with it. Don't sit on problem. that leads to more problems. If they need to be shot do it. If they should not be there deal with it.
 

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i`d guess you have no relatives or friends in iraq or iran....or had no acquaintances at the towers on 9/11....

you`d rather let them go free and possibly kill american soldiers or civilians...or possibly chop off the heads of those that they capture...or rig helpless mentally retarded dupes with with explosive devices and have them sent into civilian laden venues?.....
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It's a murky issue, and I am not saying it is a simple decision.... BUT

The argument you make can be made for ANY issue. It could be made with how we prosecute murderers and rapists.

"I guess I've never known anyone murdered so..."
"I guess we should just let murderers roam free and kill more people ...'

These matters are ALWAYS pondered by rich powerful people in safe/posh locations. Do you think laws and ideas are ever really appropriately hashed out in the trenches?

For SOME reason, humans have decided on a system of innocent until proven guilty.

I personally hope that doesn't change.
 
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