Some gas stations banning use of credit cards at pump

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Credit card fees: Some gas stations say 'no more' By TOM BREEN, Associated Press Writer
Wed Jun 18, 1:28 PM ET



CHARLESTON, W.Va. - When gas station manager Roger Randolph realized it was costing him money each time someone filled up with $4-a-gallon gas, he hung a sign on his pumps: "No more credit cards."

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He may be the first in West Virginia to ban plastic, but gas station operators nationwide are reporting similar woes as higher prices translate into higher credit card fees the managers must pay, squeezing profits at the pump.

"The more they buy, the more we lose," said Randolph, who manages Mr. Ed's Chevron in St. Albans. "Gas prices go up, and our profits go down."

His complaints target the so-called interchange fee ? a percentage of the sale price paid to credit card companies on every transaction. The percentage is fixed ? usually at just under 2 percent ? but the dollar amount of the fee rises with the price of the goods or services.

As gas tops $4 a gallon, that pushes fees toward 10 cents a gallon. Now stations, which typically mark up gasoline by 11 to 12 cents a gallon, are seeing profits shrink or even reverse.

In a good month, Randolph's small operation would yield a $60 profit on gasoline sales. But that's been buried as soaring prices forced the station to pay about $500 a month in interchange fees.

"At these prices, people aren't making any money," said Jeff Lenard, spokesman for the Alexandria, Va.-based National Association of Convenience Stores. "It's brutal."

Lenard's group reports convenience stores paid roughly $7.6 billion in credit card fees last year, while making $3.4 billion in profits.

The way interchange fees are structured has long annoyed retailers, prompting calls for relief.

Legislation pending in the U.S. House and Senate would allow merchants to bargain collectively with major credit and debit card companies.

The National Retail Federation says gas prices point to the unfairness of the system: Gas stations are paying more in interchange fees because the price of gas has gone up, while the cost of processing credit or debit cards remains the same.

"We have always contended that it doesn't cost Visa and MasterCard any more to process a $1,000 transaction than it does a $100 transaction," said J. Craig Shearman, vice president of government affairs at the retail federation.

The credit card companies say fees are just part of the cost of doing business.

MasterCard has capped interchange fees for gas purchases of $50 or more, said company spokeswoman Sharon Gamsin.

Accepting MasterCard also gives gas stations "increased sales, greater security and convenience, lower labor costs, and speed for their customers at the pump," Gamsin said in an e-mail to The Associated Press.

Visa argues that the fees are offset "by the tangible benefits to stations and their customers, such as the ability to pay at the pump," the company said in a statement to the AP.

Absent congressional action, gas stations are seeking other relief, including discounts to customers who pay in cash.

Shipley Energy, which owns 23 Tom's Convenience stores in Pennsylvania, has partnered with a new credit card company, Revolution, which charges smaller interchange fees.

Bob Astor, wholesale fuels business manager for Shipley, said those savings get passed on to customers as cheaper prices at the pump. Customers who pay with the card get an automatic 10 cent discount.

Gas stations in South Carolina, Georgia, Maryland, New Jersey and Arizona are among those offering cash customers a discount, with savings from four cents to 10 cents per gallon.

The Connecticut General Assembly recently passed legislation to make it easier for stations to offer discounts for cash purchases, bidding to cut consumer prices by 10 to 12 cents on average.

Discounts for cash customers may not, however, be the stations' salvation.

The National Association of Convenience Stores reports about two thirds of transactions at gas stations were with credit or debit cards in 2007, a figure expected to rise this year.

"The problem with cash discounts is, if people don't have the cash or don't want to spend the cash, you've inconvenienced them," Lenard said.

The experiment at Mr. Ed's Chevron, though, has paid off so far.

The station has been in business for 44 years and the ban on plastic hasn't scared many people off, Randolph said.

"We've got generations of customers who come here," he said. "Most of them have accepted it."
 

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I got a letter about a month ago saying I couldn't use my card at the pump. I can pump gas and go inside and pay with the card?

Doesn't make sense.:shrug:
 

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would be hard in Bowling Green since we have a city ordinance that you have to pay before you pump (usually at the pump with cc).
 

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I noticed yesterday on a Chevron pump that it said 10% ethanal.

so they are just adding that in now and not saying chit before hand.

:shrug: :shrug:
 

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Now I know why they have a cash dsicount price,as opposed to a higher price using ur ATM/Credit card.


Unreal!!
 

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Feds: Americans Driving Less
by Kathleen Schalch

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All Things Considered, June 18, 2008 ? Americans are traveling tens of billions of miles fewer than they did last year ? the biggest drop ever, the Federal Highway Administration said Wednesday.

Home improvement contractor Kerry Carpenter thought he could save money by living out in the country, where houses are cheap, and commuting to jobs in and around Washington, D.C. But his red full-sized pickup truck is now sucking down $50 worth of gas per day.

"My fuel costs are more than my mortgage is by a couple hundred bucks," he says.

Carpenter's solution? Working 12-hour days to save on trips into town. He runs fewer errands, too.

It's happening all over the country. In April, Americans drove 245.9 billion miles ? 1.8 percent less than a year ago.

"April marks the sixth month in a row that we have seen a decline in vehicle miles traveled across the country," says Jim Ray, the FHA's acting administrator. "We're seeing Americans drive less across the board."

The agency has been collecting data since 1942. Ray says vehicle miles traveled have risen steadily from one year to the next. Driving did taper off during the energy crisis of the 1970s and early 1980s when gas prices were high. At that time, drivers cut back by 500 million miles. But highway officials liken that to a plateau ? and this to a cliff.

"It is the steepest decline in vehicle miles traveled ever recorded," Ray says. "What we're estimating now for the 2007-2008 figures are 30 billion miles. So we're seeing a difference of 60-fold."

And that's in just the first six months.

Rural interstate highways saw the biggest change ? a 5 percent drop in vehicle miles traveled.

The Midwest, West and the South have seen sharper declines than the Northeast. In April, driving was down nearly 3 percent in Alabama from a year ago.

"We used to take Sunday drives, but not so much any more," says Dan Claussen, who had pulled off at a rest stop along Alabama's Interstate 59. "Not with gas prices where they're at."

Tom McKay, who lives with his wife in Texas, agrees.

"You know, I don't get to go to my mother-in-law's which is a couple of hours away," he says. "I don't go as much to her ... house to help her out now because of the gas prices."

McKay and his wife had hoped to drive to Maine from their home in Texas. Instead, they settled for a shorter vacation visiting relatives in North Carolina.

Ray says a nationwide decline in driving of 1.8 percent might not sound like a lot, "but 1 or 2 percent across the country adds up to a lot of miles not traveled.

"What's really going to be interesting is to see what people decide to do through the summer months."
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:00hour :0corn :00hour

I know my family is driving much less.

Not so quick to take a trip unless its necessary.
 

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If i owned a gas station I would have never had a pay at the pump. I would rather the customers come inside so I can sell more lottery tickets,drinks,candy etc.... Higher prices usually also means people are at the stations more often. Most people buy gas $10 or $20 at a time which doesn't give you many miles between stops. :SIB
 

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If i owned a gas station I would have never had a pay at the pump. I would rather the customers come inside so I can sell more lottery tickets,drinks,candy etc.... Higher prices usually also means people are at the stations more often. Most people buy gas $10 or $20 at a time which doesn't give you many miles between stops. :SIB


I will not stop at stations that I can't buy at the pump with my credit card. :shrug: I am getting tired of people blaming everything on the gas prices:rolleyes: give me a break
 

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Saudi summit aims at oil prices

The world's largest oil producer, worried the escalating cost of crude will dampen demand, is convening a special meeting on Sunday to seek solutions.

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Saudi Arabia this weekend will convene a special summit on oil prices that could lead to cheaper crude on the world market.

But a Saudi decision to produce more crude likely won't come without a demand: The Kingdom is expected to press the U.S. government to impose greater controls on oil trading and take steps to strengthen the dollar.

The world's largest oil producer, stepping out of its usual role as de facto leader of OPEC, will host representatives of big oil producing nations, consumer countries and companies.

The Saudis are widely believed to be concerned that escalating oil prices - crude hovered around $134 a barrel Thursday, nearly double what it cost a year ago - will cause a permanent drop in demand as consumers get more efficient or, worse, the global economy slows.:scared :SIB

One sign of the Saudi anxiety: The country's oil production decisions, usually left to its oil minister, appear to have been put back in the hands the Royal Family, according to Antoine Halff, deputy head of research at brokerage firm Newedge.

Fuzzy numbers

As a group, OPEC has been reluctant to raise production. Several states, enjoying the record prices, maintain there is no shortage of crude. It's a line the Saudis also touted - until recently.

Saudi Arabia now says it will pump more. The Kingdom, during a recent visit by President Bush, pledged to increase production by 300,000. Last week, they said they would boost it by another 200,000 barrels.

Those numbers are not set in stone, and Sunday's meeting may produce more details on the planned increases.

The Saudis will also seek to convince refineries and others to keep buying.

Recently, refiners worldwide have cut back in light of record prices. But that has only led to a drop in crude inventories - further pushing up the price of oil.

To inject more oil into the market, Halff said the Saudis may use the meeting to arrange for special deals with refiners and others that could bring crude to market at below-market prices. The exact nature of the deals, he noted, will probably never be disclosed.

At the very least, traders will be watching the Sunday meeting to see if those announced production increases fall closer to the 500,000 or 800,000 barrel a day mark.

Sunday showdown

The meeting holds high stakes for both Saudi Arabia and the United States. If prices don't respond, the country's credibility will suffer, and with it any notion that someone has control over these record oil prices.

"Riyadh is seen as running out of options to regain control of the market," said Halff. "Failure to do so, it is assumed, could cause prices to leap even higher."

The Saudis will also expect something from consumer nations in return.

The Kingdom has long held that oil markets are well supplied, and that speculative investing is the real culprit behind high prices.

To that end, the Saudis will likely seek more oversight of oil markets, and perhaps even limits on the amount of contracts speculators can hold.

That's something consuming counties may give them. Several proposals along those lines have bipartisan support in Congress.

More difficult to deliver, and probably more important to the Saudis, is a stronger dollar.

Like the currencies of many countries in the Middle East, the Saudi riyal is pegged to the U.S. dollar - it rises and falls with the greenback.

But while lower interest rates - and hence a lower dollar - may be what the U.S. economy needs to snap out of its slump, they have been disastrous for the red-hot Saudi economy. Inflation in Saudi Arabia has doubled in the last year and is projected to surge even higher.

"I think [Saudi Arabia] wants something from the West, particularly the U.S. ... a stronger monetary policy," Nauman Barakat, an energy trader at Macquarie Futures, wrote in a research note.

That will be hard to get.

The Federal Reserve is unlikely to raise interest rates anytime soon. And any other move by the U.S. government is likely to have little effect on the free-trading dollar.

Don't count on OPEC

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what a circle jerk , just to keep on screwing the US at the pumps.

Blame everyone but themselves.
 

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How can you say the gas prices are not having a impact on the american family.Dont know if your married,have kids or not?

People are staying home as opposed to a leisurly stroll out in a vehicle.Luckly I never bought into the big gas guzzling suv theory.Still its a big impact here in the northeast,and around the country.

Thats why I find no offese ,but your response stupid!:shrug:
 
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