The Gold standard should we go back on it?

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In 1900, the United States and most of Europe adopted a monetary system based on gold. The Gold Standard Act of 1900 made paper dollars convertible to 1.5 grams of gold. A troy ounce of gold (which is one-twelfth of a pound) was a little over $20. (1) In practice, most people used paper dollars because of their convenience, and didn?t often redeem them for gold.

If you take a close look at a U.S. dollar bill today, you?ll see the words ?Federal Reserve Note? printed on it. You?ll also see the words ?This note is legal tender for all debts public and private.?

When dollars were backed by gold, the words printed on bills were different. For example, in the case of a $50 bill they read, ?This is to certify that there is on deposit in the Treasury of the United States of America $50 in gold coin payable to the bearer on demand.? These gold-backed bills were literally gold-backed: the backside of the bill was printed in yellow. For those of you who are curious to see what these gold-backed bills looked like, I?ve posted a link to an image at the end of the transcript for this episode at Quickanddirtytips.com.

FDR Makes Owing Gold Illegal
Well, during the widespread bank failures of the Great Depression, many people and institutions both in the U.S. and around the world actually did redeem their dollars for gold, which drained the Federal Reserve?s gold supply.In response to this crisis, in 1933 President Franklin D. Roosevelt made private ownership of gold illegal and confiscated gold by executive order. U.S. citizens had to turn in their gold and gold-backed paper money to the central banking system and were paid a little over 20 paper dollars for each troy ounce of gold, which had been the official gold price since 1900.

After the gold confiscation, the U.S. government reset the price of gold to $35 per troy ounce, which, in one fell swoop, devalued the dollar by more than 40%.

The Dollar Becomes the Preeminent World Reserve Currency
During World War II, delegates from 44 countries signed an agreement called Bretton Woods that fixed the dollar to gold and fixed other nations? currencies to the dollar. Under this agreement, the dollar was defined as 1/35th of a troy ounce of gold and could be redeemed for gold at this rate by foreign governments and central banks. This agreement established the U.S. dollar as the world?s preeminent reserve currency, replacing the British pound sterling. But private ownership of gold by U.S. citizens remained illegal.

This gold standard survived with variations until 1971. It was at this time that France and Britain wanted to redeem their U.S. dollars for gold at the defined rate of $35 per troy ounce, which President Roosevelt had set all the way back in 1933. But the U.S. Treasury?s amount of physical gold was far less than the amount of dollars held by the central banks of other countries. France?s and Britain?s requests would have depleted U.S. gold reserves.

The End of the Gold Standard
With this run on gold in 1971, President Nixon brought an end to the gold standard by refusing to pay out any of the U.S.?s remaining gold in exchange for paper dollars. U.S. dollars could no longer be redeemed for gold by foreign governments and central banks. It wasn?t until 1975 that the law making it illegal for U.S. citizens to own gold was eliminated after existing for 42 years.

Since 1971, fiat money, rather than gold-backed money, has been the type of currency used in all major economies. Because a fiat currency is not backed by a resource that?s limited in supply, such as gold, there?s no physical constraint on the amount of money the Federal Reserve may print.

As the U.S. Federal Reserve prints more paper money and increases the money supply, the demand for gold tends to increase as more people and institutions buy it as a way to preserve the value of their money against inflation.

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Please, guy.

Indeed. Honest money is unbefitting a dishonest government.

The U.S. is nine trillion in debt... but somehow we always manage to print more than enough paper money to carry on endless foreign wars. Can't do that with a gold standard.
 

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Indeed. Honest money is unbefitting a dishonest government.

The U.S. is nine trillion in debt... but somehow we always manage to print more than enough paper money to carry on endless foreign wars. Can't do that with a gold standard.



No but we certainly can on an OIL standard.....
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From an Op-Ed by Daniel Gunter:
"Because of a masterfully concocted agreement signed with OPEC back in the 1970?s, all oil is currently traded exclusively in dollars. See how that works? It is the reason why the US is the only country in the world that can run such a high deficit and still do business; since all countries in the world must buy oil, and in order to do that they must first buy dollars, the US can borrow massively against future monies. The recycling of the petrol dollar gives the Federal Reserve carte blanche on printing money. This is what Dick Cheney was referring to when he famously said, ?Deficits don?t matter.?

A switch to the Euro by oil producing nations would mean the US could no longer grow the deficit, and if the rest of the world thought that the US couldn?t pay back the debt already owed, and began withdrawing funds from US banks, it would effectively enter the US into a depression worse than any it has ever experienced. In a matter of hours the peso would be worth more than the ?almighty? dollar.

As stated by U.S. Congressman Ron Paul, ?The dollar-oil relationship has to be maintained to keep the dollar as a preeminent currency. Any attack on this relationship will be forcefully challenged as it already has been."


No, we're number 1 and plan on staying there.

"by 2010 we will need on the order of an additional fifty million barrels a day. So where is the oil going to come from? ... While many regions of the world offer great oil opportunities, the Middle East with two thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies, even though companies are anxious for greater access there, progress continues to be slow." Dick Cheney, then Halliburton CEO, 1999

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I think that I agree to the fact that we will go to war with any nation over oil if they try to change the u.s. dollar as the only currency that oil is traded upon.This is the biggest reason that we invaded Iraq. 50 millon barrels more a day by 2010 just don't sound right. I thought we used 25% of all oil thats on the market,which I thought was around 21 or 22 million barrels a day out of 85 to 86 million barrels on the world market. Tell me if I'm wrong.
 

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Since 2002 our buck has lost 32% of it's value to other currencies. We can't let it keep going down. Hope fully after Nov we will have some better direction.
 

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I think that I agree to the fact that we will go to war with any nation over oil if they try to change the u.s. dollar as the only currency that oil is traded upon.This is the biggest reason that we invaded Iraq. 50 millon barrels more a day by 2010 just don't sound right. I thought we used 25% of all oil thats on the market,which I thought was around 21 or 22 million barrels a day out of 85 to 86 million barrels on the world market. Tell me if I'm wrong.

Doesn't sound right to me either Don, but keep in mind that was a quote Cheney was supposed to have made back iin '99.


djv,
I think the moneymen have a fairly good handle on it myself. They're pro's at playing off the dollar against other currencies. I have little doubt it'll swing the other way when THEY think it's time.
 

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World crude oil demand grew an average of 1.76% per year from 1994 to 2006 with a high of 3.4% in 2003-2004.World demand for oil is projected to increase 37% from 86 million barrels per day in 2006 to 118 million barrels by 2030.Thats why 50 million barrels more a day from 1999 to 2010 just don't sound right.For the next 24 years its projected that world consumption will be 32 million barrels more per day,according to the EIA.
 

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I know almost nothing technical about currency economics.

BUT,

It seems to me that basing a currency on something that has no use, and doesn't represent any work is stupid.

Why is gold valuable anyway? I mean I of course understand why scarce things are more valuable than plentiful things, but to base your entire currency on that?

Someone tell me what I am missing.
 

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Now,lets get back on the topic "should we go back to the gold standard",thats impossible.The people with the gold makes all the rules and they are not about to put gold back in play.We are now at the point of no return.150 years ago we would revolt,the people would take up arms and we would have public hangings.Imagine Bush and Cheney in 1860. Genocide of the american Indian,hell you couldn't find one.The government has run amuck.Go back 30 years and think about the next 30 years.O.K. Now its 2038.People are rioting over food and water here in the good old U.S.A.The New World Order has taken a strong stand against people that protest . Homeland security is nothing more than a military force that controls the out break of protesters.Bush no. 1 then Clinton then Bush the Idiot with Cheney the war lord thats what we've had I see no change in whats coming.The corruption is far to deep.Our government is bought and paid for.I imagine JOHN ELLIS BUSH will run in 2012.My GOD its like a dictatorship.We are becoming a third world nation faster than anyone can imagine.
 

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name one nation that uses the gold standard...or any precious stone or mineral as the standard for their currency......

you`ll be awhile...
 
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