North Korea

kosar

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"No, the only 'stick' is the threat to take away the carrot. Nothing else and nothing different than before."

Really???

Lets make it simple--

The carrots--
Would you like to compare the aid clinton sent them vs aid GW has sent?
The Sticks
--and then compare sanctions GW put on them vs sanctions Clinton put on them?

I didn't think so--


You mean the carrots that Clinton sent in 6 years compared to what we've sent in 3 days since the, uh, 'new' agreement actually started, even if 6 months late?

Yeah, that makes sense.

You sure ignored 90% of my post, but I understand.
 

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You mean the carrots that Clinton sent in 6 years compared to what we've sent in 3 days since the, uh, 'new' agreement actually started, even if 6 months late?

Yeah, that makes sense.

You sure ignored 90% of my post, but I understand.

Kosar, I really feel bad for you in threads like this. You clearly understand the Korean thing more than anyone else here. You share this knowledge in detail, but that effort is completely ignored by those you are trying to educate. It's got to be frustrating. I've never seen DTB ever once concede any point of yours - even when it's obvious to the rest of the world.

So I see we've sent the New York philharmonic to N. Korea for a free concert. I've never been very concerned about N. Korea. Even if they had nukes, I don't see them using them. They don't really have the suicidal nature for that.
 

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Kosar, I really feel bad for you in threads like this. You clearly understand the Korean thing more than anyone else here. You share this knowledge in detail, but that effort is completely ignored by those you are trying to educate. It's got to be frustrating. I've never seen DTB ever once concede any point of yours - even when it's obvious to the rest of the world.

So I see we've sent the New York philharmonic to N. Korea for a free concert. I've never been very concerned about N. Korea. Even if they had nukes, I don't see them using them. They don't really have the suicidal nature for that.

:00x6
 

DOGS THAT BARK

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Kosar, I really feel bad for you in threads like this. You clearly understand the Korean thing more than anyone else here. You share this knowledge in detail, but that effort is completely ignored by those you are trying to educate. It's got to be frustrating. I've never seen DTB ever once concede any point of yours - even when it's obvious to the rest of the world.
So I see we've sent the New York philharmonic to N. Korea for a free concert. I've never been very concerned about N. Korea. Even if they had nukes, I don't see them using them. They don't really have the suicidal nature for that.

I've acknowledged him being correct many times--

but impossibilty on this one--total opposites on every end of the spectrum--and on your "details" still waiting for those details on sactions and aid--maybe you could assist in gathering that data.

Of course when have facts-or data ever trumped opinion with someone you agree with Smurph--and hate burst your bubble but your opinion is not the worlds. :)
 

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DTB, this must be hard for you. I mean negotiations and all that sissy stuff you are so against when a dem suggests it.:shrug:
 

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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,426863,00.html

VIENNA, Austria ? The Chief inspector for the IAEA in North Korea announced Wednesday that it has removed the inspection seals and all surveillance equipment from the nuclear reprocessing facility at Yongbyon. The U.N. inspectors have now been ordered to leave. U.S. officials and IAEA representatives confirm that reprocessing at the facility could begin in just a week.

In a statement from its Director General, the IAEA said: ?There are no more IAEA seals and surveillance equipment in place at the reprocessing facility. The Democratice People?s Republic of Korea has also informed the IAEA inspectors that they plan to introduce nuclear material to the reprocessing plant in one week?s time.They further stated that from here on the IAEA inspectors will have no further access to the reprocessing plant.?

Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice said the moves would: ?only deepen its isolation.?

She then insisted the Six-Party talks with the North Koreans to disarm are not dead.

?Everyone knows what the path ahead is. The path ahead is for there to be agreement on a verification protocol so that we can continue along the path of the denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula. And the North Koreans know that, and so we?ll continue working with our partners on what steps we might need to take.?

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U.S. Officials: North Korea Reassembling Nuclear Facility National Security Advisor Gordon Johndroe added: ?We strongly urge the North to reconsider these steps and come back immediately into compliance with its obligations as outlined in the Six-Party agreements.?

FOX News has confirmed that the seals have been removed and was the first to report on Monday that all the reprocessing equipment had been reinstalled at the Yongbyon nuclear facility on Monday. At that time the North Koreans had asked for the seals to be removed, and there was little the IAEA could do to refuse the request.

Yongbyon has 3 parts to it: the nuclear reactor, the cooling ponds for the spent fuel rods and the reprocessing plant. The reprocessing plant is the easiest to restart. Earlier this year the North Koreans blew up the cooling tower, a largely symbolic act, according to experte. Plutonium can still be extracted from the spent fuel for use in a bomb without the cooling facility.

The North Koreans had completed approximately 8 of 11 requirements to denuclearize in exchange for aid but talks with the US, China and others hit a snag when the US demanded greater verification and soil samples from the facility and refused to take North Korea off the US State Department?s Terror list, which essentially blocked the Koreans from receiving trade money.

FOX News has learned that North Korean leader Kim Jong Il suffered a massive stroke on or about August 14 and may no longer be in control of his country.
 

DOGS THAT BARK

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Yep They are trying avenue that succedded before--getting carrots before they are verifiably neutered--not going to work unless Dems get in--china-japan and U.S. on thier ass right now--be thankful we didn't give them the house on a promise--or opt for Dems unilateral negotions. ;)

--and what say you?
 
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