Senate Passes Unconstitutional Spying Bill, ACLU Announces Legal Challenge to Follow

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Dumb democrats. Let me be the first to predict that this dirtbag of a law will be used against democrats like the fools they are. Thanks Obama

Senate Passes Unconstitutional Spying Bill, ACLU Announces Legal Challenge to Follow
Senate Passes Unconstitutional Spying Bill and Grants Sweeping Immunity to Phone Companies
ACLU Announces Legal Challenge to Follow President?s Signature
WASHINGTON - July 9 - Today, in a blatant assault upon civil liberties and the right to privacy, the Senate passed an unconstitutional domestic spying bill that violates the Fourth Amendment and eliminates any meaningful role for judicial oversight of government surveillance. The FISA Amendments Act of 2008 was approved by a vote of 69-28 and is expected to be signed into law by President Bush shortly. This bill essentially legalizes the president?s unlawful warrantless wiretapping program revealed in December 2005 by the New York Times. ?Once again, Congress blinked and succumbed to the president?s fear-mongering. With today?s vote, the government has been given a green light to expand its power to spy on Americans and run roughshod over the Constitution,? said Anthony D. Romero, Executive Director of the American Civil Liberties Union. ?This legislation will give the government unfettered and unchecked access to innocent Americans? international communications without a warrant. This is not only unconstitutional, but absolutely un-American.? The FISA Amendments Act nearly eviscerates oversight of government surveillance by allowing the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) to review only general procedures for spying rather than individual warrants. The FISC will not be told any specifics about who will actually be wiretapped, thereby undercutting any meaningful role for the court and violating the Fourth Amendment?s protection against unreasonable search and seizure. The bill further trivializes court review by authorizing the government to continue a surveillance program even after the government?s general spying procedures are found insufficient or unconstitutional by the FISC. The government has the authority to wiretap through the entire appeals process, and then keep and use whatever information was gathered in the meantime. A provision touted as a major ?concession? by proponents of the bill calls for investigations by the inspectors general of four agencies overseeing spying activities. But members of Congress who do not sit on the Judiciary or Intelligence committees will not be guaranteed access to the agencies? reports. The bill essentially grants absolute retroactive immunity to telecommunication companies that facilitated the president?s warrantless wiretapping program over the last seven years by ensuring the dismissal of court cases pending against those companies. The test for the companies? right to immunity is not whether the government certifications they acted on were actually legal ? only whether they were issued. Because it is public knowledge that certifications were issued, all of the pending cases will be summarily dismissed. This means Americans may never learn the truth about what the companies and the government did with our private communications. ?With one vote, Congress has strengthened the executive branch, weakened the judiciary and rendered itself irrelevant,? said Caroline Fredrickson, Director of the ACLU Washington Legislative Office. ?This bill ? soon to be law ? is a constitutional nightmare. Americans should know that if this legislation is enacted and upheld, what they say on international phone calls or emails is no longer private. The government can listen in without having a specific reason to do so. Our rights as Americans have been curtailed and our privacy can no longer be assumed.? In advance of the president?s signature, the ACLU announced its plan to challenge the new law in court. ?This fight is not over. We intend to challenge this bill as soon as President Bush signs it into law,? said Jameel Jaffer, Director of the ACLU National Security Project. ?The bill allows the warrantless and dragnet surveillance of Americans? international telephone and email communications. It plainly violates the Fourth Amendment.?
 

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Dumb democrats. Let me be the first to predict that this dirtbag of a law will be used against democrats like the fools they are. Thanks Obama

Senate Passes Unconstitutional Spying Bill, ACLU Announces Legal Challenge to Follow
Senate Passes Unconstitutional Spying Bill and Grants Sweeping Immunity to Phone Companies
ACLU Announces Legal Challenge to Follow President?s Signature
WASHINGTON - July 9 - Today, in a blatant assault upon civil liberties and the right to privacy, the Senate passed an unconstitutional domestic spying bill that violates the Fourth Amendment and eliminates any meaningful role for judicial oversight of government surveillance. The FISA Amendments Act of 2008 was approved by a vote of 69-28 and is expected to be signed into law by President Bush shortly. This bill essentially legalizes the president?s unlawful warrantless wiretapping program revealed in December 2005 by the New York Times. ?Once again, Congress blinked and succumbed to the president?s fear-mongering. With today?s vote, the government has been given a green light to expand its power to spy on Americans and run roughshod over the Constitution,? said Anthony D. Romero, Executive Director of the American Civil Liberties Union. ?This legislation will give the government unfettered and unchecked access to innocent Americans? international communications without a warrant. This is not only unconstitutional, but absolutely un-American.? The FISA Amendments Act nearly eviscerates oversight of government surveillance by allowing the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) to review only general procedures for spying rather than individual warrants. The FISC will not be told any specifics about who will actually be wiretapped, thereby undercutting any meaningful role for the court and violating the Fourth Amendment?s protection against unreasonable search and seizure. The bill further trivializes court review by authorizing the government to continue a surveillance program even after the government?s general spying procedures are found insufficient or unconstitutional by the FISC. The government has the authority to wiretap through the entire appeals process, and then keep and use whatever information was gathered in the meantime. A provision touted as a major ?concession? by proponents of the bill calls for investigations by the inspectors general of four agencies overseeing spying activities. But members of Congress who do not sit on the Judiciary or Intelligence committees will not be guaranteed access to the agencies? reports. The bill essentially grants absolute retroactive immunity to telecommunication companies that facilitated the president?s warrantless wiretapping program over the last seven years by ensuring the dismissal of court cases pending against those companies. The test for the companies? right to immunity is not whether the government certifications they acted on were actually legal ? only whether they were issued. Because it is public knowledge that certifications were issued, all of the pending cases will be summarily dismissed. This means Americans may never learn the truth about what the companies and the government did with our private communications. ?With one vote, Congress has strengthened the executive branch, weakened the judiciary and rendered itself irrelevant,? said Caroline Fredrickson, Director of the ACLU Washington Legislative Office. ?This bill ? soon to be law ? is a constitutional nightmare. Americans should know that if this legislation is enacted and upheld, what they say on international phone calls or emails is no longer private. The government can listen in without having a specific reason to do so. Our rights as Americans have been curtailed and our privacy can no longer be assumed.? In advance of the president?s signature, the ACLU announced its plan to challenge the new law in court. ?This fight is not over. We intend to challenge this bill as soon as President Bush signs it into law,? said Jameel Jaffer, Director of the ACLU National Security Project. ?The bill allows the warrantless and dragnet surveillance of Americans? international telephone and email communications. It plainly violates the Fourth Amendment.?

how`s that happen with a democratic congress and obama as preisdent?....

it may happen,but,it`ll go down much like when bill and hill "happened" upon several hundred republican fbi files.....

btw...hillary voted "no".....

you got played...no big surprise...
 

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i just pulled this off obama`s website...

"anyone disparaging the messiah obama, will have their phones tapped and movements monitored"....




:142smilie
 

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I got played? That is hysterical coming from someone like you. If Rove sold door mats your picture would be stamped on them.
 

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i just pulled this off obama`s website...

"anyone disparaging the messiah obama, will have their phones tapped and movements monitored"....




:142smilie

Where have you been, your phones are already tapped.
 

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you guys`ll get over it and fall in line...

worshipers always find a way to bend it......

i is surprising to see how little of human nature and politics these leftists understand. ....they fail to grasp that obama will take any position and reserve the right to "change"! his mind at any point all in the course of seeking power....

the audacity of the double-cross...:s4:
 

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I think this sucks. I've made my position known for a long time that there simply is no good reason, IMO, that this step has to be taken, and is unconstitutional. There simply are no protections or safeguards against misuse, and no oversight of any administration now, or in the future.

This is not what our country is - or should be - about. And I will take note of those that voted to support it, and those who voted against it, and it will affect my thought process in looking at candidates. I was not that supportive of Obama to begin with, and he's quickly becoming someone I will have a hard time voting for - this one is a biggy for me. I see Clinton voted against it - which does vindicate my support of her before.
 

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/every time a moonbat's head explodes, an angel stands up and applauds......

;)


btw...http://www.opencongress.org/bill/110-s2248/show

actually,the literal name of the bill is "The Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act of 1978"......

bush just tried to make it more contemporary...given the 9/11 murders...

some thought it went to far...even though there is absolutely no evidence to back that claim up....

so,thankfully,the dems and the republicans have come to a compromise...

everybody should be happy....:shrug:
 

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I think this sucks. I've made my position known for a long time that there simply is no good reason, IMO, that this step has to be taken, and is unconstitutional. There simply are no protections or safeguards against misuse, and no oversight of any administration now, or in the future.

This is not what our country is - or should be - about. And I will take note of those that voted to support it, and those who voted against it, and it will affect my thought process in looking at candidates. I was not that supportive of Obama to begin with, and he's quickly becoming someone I will have a hard time voting for - this one is a biggy for me. I see Clinton voted against it - which does vindicate my support of her before.
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I feel the same way Chad. This really rubs me the wrong way. In an honest world i would be fine with this but you know one side will use this any chance they get. This is how they got Elliot Spitzer in my opinion. Both these parties are despicable.
 

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some thought it went to far...even though there is absolutely no evidence to back that claim up...

This is my favorite tack that is taken. Hey, you can't prove that this was used for unscrupulous purposes by people that didn't let anyone know that they were doing anything, and there was nobody around to monitor anything that could have been going on, and this is what is in our best interest, because these people who ignored the law and constitution tell us it's ok.

Pretty safe statement to make, prove something that nobody could know about, and are now further protected from anyway.

And you know as well as I do, that there have been stories posted here, and many elsewhere, that have documented misuses of this "intelligence gathering," for many different "reasons." And still, it's said that nobody has been hurt by this...so how can anyone really prove anything to you - and others here?

I admire the democrats that took this legislation for what it was, and voted no.
 

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Constitutional expert Turley on FISA bill: 'The fix is in'
David Edwards and Muriel Kane
Published: Wednesday July 9, 2008

The United States Senate is about to vote on a FISA bill that would not only expand the president's powers of surveillance over American citizens but would also forestall civil suits against the telecoms that illegally participated in past surveillance.

MSNBC's Rachel Maddow, substituting for Keith Olbermann on Countdown, expressed amazement at the sweeping victory that is being handed to President Bush. "I'm betting that his wildest dreams did not include the prospect that Congress -- a Democratic-led Congress -- would help him cover up his crimes," she stated. "That is exactly what the US Senate is poised to do."

In Senate debate, Patrick Leahy (D-VT) argued strongly against telecom immunity, because it would make it almost impossible to ever find out what really happened and "the American people ought to know who in the White House said, 'Go break the law.'"

Sen. Russ Feingold (D-WI) noted that, "We're considering granting immunity when roughly 70 members of the Senate still have not been briefed on the president's wiretapping program. The vast majority of this body still does not even know what we're being asked to grant immunity for."

Maddow spoke with Constitutional law professor Jonathan Turley, who explained, "What the Democrats are doing here with the White House is they're trying to conceal a crime that is hiding in plain view. ... Nobody wants to have a confrontation over the fact that the president committed a felony. ... That's a very inconvenient fact right now in Washington."

"The Democrats have learned well from Bush," Turley said in amazement. "They're just going to change the rules. ... It's otherworldly. ... I am completely astonished by Senator Obama's position -- and obviously disappointed. All of these senators need to respect us enough not to call it a compromise. It's a cave-in."

"It's like all those stories where someone is assaulted on the street and a hundred witnesses do nothing," continued Turley. "In this case, the Fourth Amendment is going to be eviscerated tomorrow, and a hundred people are going to watch it happen because it's just not their problem. ... There's not an ounce of principle, not an ounce of public interest in this legislation."

Turley added that even though the telecoms could still be prosecuted criminally, it's unlikely to happen. "The fix is in," he concluded. "Tomorrow night, there's going to be a lot of celebrating among telecom lobbyists. ... What we will lose tomorrow, it's something very precious."
 

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Two bowls of SHIT,how will you feel when you cast your vote for a bowl of shit.They even smell the same.I will not lower myself to vote for a giant TURD. You can't flush them out. 20 years ago Bush senior made speeches about a NEW WORLD ORDER .I thought ,not in my lifetime but now I see that the last 8 years has really escalated the plan.This country won't stay free for long,not for the working class.We can't withstand the onslaught of power,greed and corruption that they have forced upon the people not to mention the constitution of which will be obsolete in a few years..WE'VE been sheared like sheep.We are told to trust in GOD. What fools we are to expect these king like politicians to relate to or help a working person. SLAVERY you will do has you'er told and like it.They expect you to put your faith in GOD and be sheared like good little sheep.The question is what are you going to do about IT.
 
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