Army to shoot live pigs for medical drill

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Army to shoot live pigs for medical drill

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By JAYMES SONG, Associated Press Writer Fri Jul 18, 4:27 AM ET



HONOLULU - The Army says it's critical to saving the lives of wounded soldiers. Animal-rights activists call the training cruel and outdated.

Despite opposition by the People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals, the Army is moving forward with its plan to shoot live pigs and treat their gunshot wounds in a medical trauma exercise Friday at Schofield Barracks for soldiers headed to Iraq.
Maj. Derrick Cheng, spokesman for the 25th Infantry Division, said the training is being conducted under a U.S. Department of Agriculture license and the careful supervision of veterinarians and a military Animal Care and Use Committee.
"It's to teach Army personnel how to manage critically injured patients within the first few hours of their injury," Cheng said.
The soldiers are learning emergency lifesaving skills needed on the battlefield when there are no medics, doctors or facility nearby, he said.
PETA, however, said there are more advanced and humane options available, including high-tech human simulators. In a letter, PETA urged the Army to end all use of animals, "as the overwhelming majority of North American medical schools have already done."
"Shooting and maiming pigs is outdated as Civil War rifles," said Kathy Guillermo, director of PETA's Laboratory Investigations Department.
The Norfolk, Va.-based group demanded the exercise be halted after it was notified by a "distraught" soldier from the unit, who disclosed a plan to shoot the animals with M4 carbines and M16 rifles.
"There's absolutely no reason why they have to shoot live pigs," PETA spokeswoman Holly Beal said.
The bloody exercise, she said, is difficult for soldiers because they sometimes associate the animals with their own pet dogs.
Cheng said the exercise is conducted in a controlled environment with the pigs anesthetized the entire time. He had "no doubt whatsoever" in the effectiveness of the instruction, which he called the best option available at the base.
"Those alternative methods just can't replicate what the troops are going to face when we use live-tissue training," he said. "What we're doing is unique to what the soldiers are going to actually experience."
Cheng didn't have details about the number of pigs, how they were acquired or the weapons involved in the training.
The soldiers being trained are with the 3rd Infantry Brigade Combat Team, 25th Infantry Division, which is deploying to Iraq this year.
"We understand (PETA's) concerns and point of view. At the same, the Army is committed to providing the soldiers with the best training possible," Cheng said.
Disappointed at the Army's decision, PETA on Thursday instructed its 2 million members to inundate the Army with calls and e-mails.
"We're hoping at the 11th hour here that we can have this stopped. We have to hang on to hope," Beal said.
PETA believes the U.S. military has conducted similar training at other bases using pigs and goats.
 

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oh how I hate PETA. If they want to see cruelty, maybe they should release a few of those shoats into the wilderness. Mother Nature is far more "cruel".

The pigs will be appropriately medicated, and I think this will be a great teaching tool.

Human simulators :mj07:

I know from experience as I'm sure some of you do on here. There's nothing to prepare you other than the real thing.

Wayne, don't you think this would have helped you before you did your service? How about some others chiming in here that served during conflict in a medical type capacity?
 

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HMMM, maybe I should use this to test my PRN ICU nurses before I send them out to work.

JK, I don't want anyone to get their panties in a wad.
 

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So its ok to purposely shoot and wound and possibly kill these pigs and the GOVERNMENT IS 100% behind it, but THIS SAME GOVERNMENT threw Micheal Vick in jail for 2 dogs fighting on a level playing field......WTF!!!!

Someone should place a sniper in the tree line or in a dirtmound so this can REALLY HAVE THE REAL EFFECT, and it will also give the pigs someone to help protect them.
I guess a pig is a pig but a dog aint a dog!! This government is so double edged and wrong on all sides that its not even funny.......guess thats why they got away with supplying TONS of COCAINE to L.A. which made it across the NATION to raise money to support the Iran Contra for so long and in the mean time locking up anyone who gets caught with a little blo for personal use or to try and support there own family.
Its so nice to make the rules, then break the rules and pay ne reprecussion for doing so.

RESPECT TO THOSE WHO SERVED AND CURRENTLY SERVE, YOU DONT AND DIDNT MAKE THE RULES, JUST ORDERED TO FOLLOW THEM....ITS THESE CROOKED ASS LAWMAKERS I FIND MY PROBLEMS WITH....
 

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FU :thefinger


lol- I don't what your deal is in regard to dynamics with your wife. I do know that our lovable Chad has taken a relatively recent interest in these sort of things. I think we all wish him well in his quest for the best veggie burger and his enduring vigilance in defnding the pigs.

That said, that sentence that you quoted from me is sponge-like. Very awkward. I think i'll clean it up a little.
 

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So its ok to purposely shoot and wound and possibly kill these pigs and the GOVERNMENT IS 100% behind it, but THIS SAME GOVERNMENT threw Micheal Vick in jail for 2 dogs fighting on a level playing field......WTF!!!!

Someone should place a sniper in the tree line or in a dirtmound so this can REALLY HAVE THE REAL EFFECT, and it will also give the pigs someone to help protect them.
I guess a pig is a pig but a dog aint a dog!! This government is so double edged and wrong on all sides that its not even funny.......guess thats why they got away with supplying TONS of COCAINE to L.A. which made it across the NATION to raise money to support the Iran Contra for so long and in the mean time locking up anyone who gets caught with a little blo for personal use or to try and support there own family.
Its so nice to make the rules, then break the rules and pay ne reprecussion for doing so.

RESPECT TO THOSE WHO SERVED AND CURRENTLY SERVE, YOU DONT AND DIDNT MAKE THE RULES, JUST ORDERED TO FOLLOW THEM....ITS THESE CROOKED ASS LAWMAKERS I FIND MY PROBLEMS WITH....

Oh brother. :rolleyes:
 

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Oh brother. :rolleyes:

:142smilie I just miss the point of shooting the pig, I AM IN NO WAY A TREE HUUGER OR ANIMAL LOVER, I HUNT EVERY SEASON OF THE YEAR THAT ITS OPEN, I dont agree with people who hunt just to kill either as theres a right and human way to do it, but to have a double standard is a bit incorrect TO ME IN MY SICK WAY OF THINKING I GUESS. If I walk outside and shoot the nieghbors dog,cat,cow, or pig right now guess what....I am going to jail..but to train I guess its fine. The realistic part would be what the sewing of the flesh, the treatment with antibodies, or trying to avoid being bit by a wild pig? Or will they also muzzle the mouth? Maybe they should use THE CROOKED PIGS THAT LITTER THE STREETS since they are humans and will show exact results of what will really happen when another human is wounded in battle.:shrug:
 

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Where's the agent guy. He'll kill 20 soldiers before lettiing a pig be harmed.


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