russia moving past s. ossetia...may be looking to absorb georgia...

[gardenweasel]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080811/ap_on_re_eu/georgia_south_ossetia

talk about your war for oil...

targeting civies....and no calls of war crimes... nothing from the u.n. or the i.c.c.or any other group that claims to care about international humanitarianism and relations?....where are the useful idiots that make a lot of noise if one poor iraqi or afghan gets caught in the crossfire but are strangely quiet as russian forces bomb civilians in an outright manner....

wonder why?...must`ve been a report about some jihadi catching a cold at guantanamo....

where`s the rest of europe?...why,they`re under putin`s energy thumb.....and now putin will gain control of the only pipeline he didn`t control that was supplying the west(much of europe)....

now,all that`s needed is for iran to get their nuclear weapon and pull a bold move in the straits of hormuz...

drill here and drill now..... it`s s more important than ever, for us & europe(whose gas & oil supply is controlled by russia)......

guys were laughing at the other thread i posted on this....bet they`re not laughing now...

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080811/ap_on_re_eu/georgia_south_ossetia

drill here and drill now..... it`s s more important than ever, for us & europe(whose gas & oil supply is controlled by russia)......
...

This is all you've gotten from this conflict?

You don't think Georgia's bombing civilians (well, not anymore, since Tbilisi's turned into the rally point)

2008 and the world still looks black and white to you, gw - it must really take some commitment

 

[Spytheweb]

In the words of Linda Blair "Let them kill each other".

 

[djv]

Have no fear we have Bush as Pres. He will send Cheney with his shot gun. And if Nato does nothing it could be end of nato. However If Russia stops now and moves back to orginal goal everyone will we be ok with it.

 

[IntenseOperator]

how bout using less gas and more nuclear (electric etc)?

 

[gardenweasel]

This is all you've gotten from this conflict?

You don't think Georgia's bombing civilians (well, not anymore, since Tbilisi's turned into the rally point)

2008 and the world still looks black and white to you, gw - it must really take some commitment

bobby...even if i bought the kremlin`s line...as you seem to have....at what point do they decide they`ve made their point?...they`ve gone way past w.ossetia and are basically "targeting" civilian areas and taking over cities........

as you know,i hate to cut and paste...but please read this....


http://shootingmessengers.blogspot.com/2008/08/ralph-peters-explaions-russian.html


you leftists only are anti-war when it comes to the u.s. defending itself and its interests around the world.....when other leftists/socialists/communists engage in war, you turn a willing blind eye and make excuses...


this article was written saturday and i don`t think even colonel peters had any idea just how overwhelming the force that the russians had at the ready really was....

where peters was incorrect was not relaizing that georgia has NO chance facing this amount of brute force...

it`s ridiculous...

now i`m waiting for the "iraq" card to be drawn...well,exactly how many u.n. resolutions did the russians propose before invading georgia?...

did the russians even address the u.n.?...of course not...that`s not the russian bear`s style..they only use the u.n. to confound democracies...

i talked to a friend thats very savvy about geopolitical issues and i mentioned that the left was extremely quiet about this war....

he said,"they won`t be silent for long...bet your ass they`ll be supporting russia"....

he` was right as rain...

wake the f-ck up...

 

[gardenweasel]

look...we aren`t going to intervene in russia`s backyard even though georgia is a real ally......

why?....because russia can turn nyc,miami,d.c.,l.a., chicago, and every other major u.s. city into glass craters all at once in less than 12 hours...

true, we can do the same thing to them, but at that point it is to late....that`s why the iranian nuclear issue is so important...

we may not be perfect, and we've definitely made mistakes, but we are the good guys overall and the only way for the good guys to survive in this cruel world is to have the biggest and baddest kids on the block.....

this is why we really do need to continue the sdi initiative and rebuild our military...

it`s bad enough that russia is taking over a sovereign country....but,it is what it is and we won`t do anything without nato and the rest of the free world...

i just hope to god they don`t make a move on the ukraine...then this shit goes from extremely serious to grave......

 

[gardenweasel]

i don`t want to argue with folks that i consider internet friends...bobby..sorry if i came off harshly....


but,seriously...why would anyone in their right mind want to be potus right now...:shrug:

 

[THE KOD]

Here is my take on this.

Russia and Iran are big buddies.

Russia probably got word that the US and Israel were about to take out Irans nukes.

Russia says - Lets do some distraction and in the meantime get our oil back from Georgia.

No way anyone starts anything with Iran with this shit going on. Escalate :nono:

Wasnt it Bush that looked Putin in the eyes and saw the goodness in his soul ?

 

[RAYMOND]

On October 3, 1938, Adolf Hitler's armies marched into Sudetenland, a part of Czechoslovakia. Germany said it was responding to separatist demands from the large German population that lived there and that she was merely honoring their desire for reunion with Germany. Hitler's tanks took over a vital part of an independent country that had largely rejected his overtures and allied itself with the West. Neither Britain nor France nor the United States did a thing to stop him.

On August 7, 2008, Vladimir Putin's armies marched into South Ossetia, a part of Georgia. Russia said it was responding to separatist demands from the large Russian population that lived there and that she was merely honoring their desire for reunion with Russia. Putin's tanks took over a vital part of an independent country that had largely rejected his overtures and allied itself with the West. Neither Britain nor France nor the United States did a thing to stop him.

Encouraged by his occupation of Sudetenland, Hitler continued his designs on Czechoslovakia itself and invaded the rest of the nation a few months later.

Will history continue to repeat itself?



Georgia is one of the two countries that have split off from the old Soviet Union and most firmly reached out to the West. Now Putin is testing whether the west will respond to an overt Russian military attack on a part of Georgia, doubtless paving the way for a full scale invasion, perhaps in the coming days. One immediate Russian move would be to use its new found military leverage to force Georgia to give up Abkhazia, another province with a large Russian population.

Russia has encouraged migration by ethnic Russians into its satellite empire ever since Stalin's days and now is using the provinces with large Russian populations to foment discord in nations that lean to the West.

The United States and the European Union must not turn away at this crucial moment in history. The U.S. should take visible steps to bolster Georgia, including the dispatch of supplies, materials, and other manifestations of our determination not to let this nation be invaded.

Russia's goal in this imperialism is to intimidate any nation on its borders into rejecting overtures from the west and to try to prove that the west will offer no real protection against Russian military designs.

NATO should speed consideration of Georgia's application for admission and should extend its security umbrella to include the struggling democracy.

If the United States appeases Russia now, it will pay the same price British Prime Minister Nevelle Chamberlain paid in the 1930s. This invasion must not be allowed to stand or, at the very least, it must be contained to South Ossetia and not allowed to lap over into the rest of Georgia.

 

[kosar]

On October 3, 1938, Adolf Hitler's armies marched into Sudetenland, a part of Czechoslovakia. Germany said it was responding to separatist demands from the large German population that lived there and that she was merely honoring their desire for reunion with Germany. Hitler's tanks took over a vital part of an independent country that had largely rejected his overtures and allied itself with the West. Neither Britain nor France nor the United States did a thing to stop him.

On August 7, 2008, Vladimir Putin's armies marched into South Ossetia, a part of Georgia. Russia said it was responding to separatist demands from the large Russian population that lived there and that she was merely honoring their desire for reunion with Russia. Putin's tanks took over a vital part of an independent country that had largely rejected his overtures and allied itself with the West. Neither Britain nor France nor the United States did a thing to stop him.

Encouraged by his occupation of Sudetenland, Hitler continued his designs on Czechoslovakia itself and invaded the rest of the nation a few months later.

Will history continue to repeat itself?



Georgia is one of the two countrieshuh that have split off from the old Soviet Union and most firmly reached out to the West. Now Putin is testing whether the west will respond to an overt Russian military attack on a part of Georgia, doubtless paving the way for a full scale invasion, perhaps in the coming days. One immediate Russian move would be to use its new found military leverage to force Georgia to give up Abkhazia, another province with a large Russian population.

Russia has encouraged migration by ethnic Russians into its satellite empire ever since Stalin's days and now is using the provinces with large Russian populations to foment discord in nations that lean to the West.

The United States and the European Union must not turn away at this crucial moment in history. The U.S. should take visible steps to bolster Georgia, including the dispatch of supplies, materials, and other manifestations of our determination not to let this nation be invaded.

Russia's goal in this imperialism :mj07: is to intimidate any nation on its borders into rejecting overtures from the west and to try to prove that the west will offer no real protection against Russian military designs.

NATO should speed consideration of Georgia's application for admission and should extend its security umbrella to include the struggling democracy.

If the United States appeases Russia now, it will pay the same price British Prime Minister Nevelle Chamberlain paid in the 1930s. This invasion must not be allowed to stand :mj07: , at the very least, it must be contained to South Ossetia and not allowed to lap over into the rest of Georgia.

Who is the reatrd that wrote this crap?

Link please, RAY.

 

[gardenweasel]

Wasnt it Bush that looked Putin in the eyes and saw the goodness in his soul ?

it certainly was....and bush stayed at the olympics far to long schmooszing while this was going down....

he`s hamstrung and the russians know it...

i feel terribly that we`re again going let a staunch democratic ally down...and i`m shocked that anybody would EVER be our ally with the drumbeat from congress to abandon iraq now that things have turned...and now this.....

looks like kshvili will be ousted by the russians and a puppet communist gov`t will be installed..

i just hope russia doesn`t take this any further....

if i were in the baltics, or poland, or finland, or armenia, i'd start preparing for what could come next....

and we`d have to step in on behalf of the ukraine...a democracy of 50 million people...

we`ve asked these countries to join us in democracy....and many have...

it must stop here....unfotunately,a line in the dirt must be drawn.....

thats just the way it is..

 

[kosar]

it must stop here....unfotunately,a line in the dirt must be drawn.....

What exactly would you have us do?

 

[gardenweasel]

What exactly would you have us do?

if the russians continue to invade democracies like the ukraine?......the west would have to pull together and stop the expansion....

would you do nothing?...

 

[kosar]

if the russians continue to invade democracies like the ukraine?......the west would have to pull together and stop the expansion....

would you do nothing?...

Dude, you're talking about Russia invading Finland , the Ukraine, etc.

I asked what you would have us do about their incursion into Georgia.

You tell me what f*cking moral authority we have after this Iraq debacle. Are you kidding me?

Don't even go the 'UN' and their useless resolutions route.

Guys like you rightfully mock and condemn (like guys like myself) the UN, but THEN, you cite their 'resolutions' when it suits you.

And of course, as i'm sure you know, Israel leads the league in ignoring 'resoultions' and it's not even close.

 

[RAYMOND]

:shrug:

Dude, you're talking about Russia invading Finland , the Ukraine, etc.

I asked what you would have us do about their incursion into Georgia.

You tell me what f*cking moral authority we have after this Iraq debacle. Are you kidding me?

Don't even go the 'UN' and their useless resolutions route.

Guys like you rightfully mock and condemn (like guys like myself) the UN, but THEN, you cite their 'resolutions' when it suits you.

And of course, as i'm sure you know, Israel leads the league in ignoring 'resoultions' and it's not even close.

are you drinking

 

[kosar]

:shrug:


are you drinking

No.

Ok Ray, what would YOU have us do? Go to war with Russia? What?

 

[rusty]

look...we aren`t going to intervene in russia`s backyard even though georgia is a real ally......

why?....because russia can turn nyc,miami,d.c.,l.a., chicago, and every other major u.s. city into glass craters all at once in less than 12 hours...

true, we can do the same thing to them, but at that point it is to late....that`s why the iranian nuclear issue is so important...

we may not be perfect, and we've definitely made mistakes, but we are the good guys overall and the only way for the good guys to survive in this cruel world is to have the biggest and baddest kids on the block.....

this is why we really do need to continue the sdi initiative and rebuild our military...

it`s bad enough that russia is taking over a sovereign country....but,it is what it is and we won`t do anything without nato and the rest of the free world...

i just hope to god they don`t make a move on the ukraine...then this shit goes from extremely serious to grave......

GW,I agree with most of your postVery good points.One I have to disagree on is why we dont intervene.Were clearly got are hand full on terror,but beside that were not gonna turn our back on Russia even thou tiny ant Geogria is our allie.

Remember out technology is pretty even(if not better) then Russias ,so the reason of fear for not retaliating is off base IMO.

Politics is the reason for not intervening,as maintaining a good relationship with Russia and Geogria are both important.

 

[RAYMOND]

No.

Ok Ray, what would YOU have us do? Go to war with Russia? What?

go to war , no , stop the flow of volka to russia

 

[RAYMOND]

number 2 i would sent a hit team over to kill puttin
and make look like the muslins:00hour kill him
and maybe they would fall in line or kill his family:SIB