Chicago Tribune Writers Take On Phelps' Gold

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Phelps best Olympic athlete ever? Someday maybe, but not today

By Philip Hersh | Tribune Olympic Bureau
7:32 PM CDT, August 14, 2008

BEIJING - Could everyone please stop hyperventilating about Michael Phelps?

Yes, he now has won more gold medals than anyone in Olympic history.

No, that does not make him the greatest Olympic athlete in history.

In fact, he doesn't even make my top five.

He is number six with a bullet, moving up the charts like a hot pop song.

Ahead of him?

? 1. Carl Lewis, U.S., track and field.

? 2. Paavo Nurmi, Finland, track and field.

? 3. Larisa Latynina, Soviet Union, gymnastics.

? 4. Birgit Fischer-Schmidt, Germany, kayak.

? 5. Steven Redgrave, United Kingdom, rowing.

Why is Phelps sixth?

It is easy to win multiple medals in swimming. The sport is far more forgiving on the body than track or gymnastics. And Phelps does not yet have the long-term record of the others.

Lewis won nine gold medals, four in the 1984 Olympics and four straight in one event, the long jump.

Nurmi won nine gold medals at distances from 1,500 to 10,000 meters over three Olympics. He likely would have won more had he not been declared ineligible after 1928 under rules that demanded Olympians be amateurs.

Latynina won nine gold medals and 18 total medals over three Olympics.

Fischer-Schmidt won her first of eight gold medals in 1980 and her last 24 years later as a 42-year-old mother of two. She won three for the old East Germany and five for the unified Germany. She won in singles, doubles and fours. She also won four silvers.

Redgrave won gold medals in five consecutive Olympics while rowing in three different boat types.

I asked Phelps Thursday if winning the most golds makes him the greatest of all time, and he sounded like a man wisely focused on the present.

"I have no idea," he said. "I just get in the water and swim. That's the only thing I think about."

asked renowned Olympic historian David Wallechinsky the same question, and he ranked Nurmi and Lewis as co-leaders.

"I think Phelps needs one more Olympics to join them," Wallechinsky said.

Over 12 years, Lewis won two gold medals in the 100 meters, one in the 200, two on the sprint relay and an unprecedented four straight in the long jump, an event in which the impact on the body of the run-up and takeoff has been likened to falling off a truck at 25 miles per hour.

"What Lewis did is extraordinary. He is Number One," said France's Marie-Jose Perec, one of three runners to win the 200 and 400 meters in the same Olympics.

"You can't compare track and swimming. In swimming, you can recover. You can do five races in a day and get world records in all of them. That's impossible in our sport."

Don't try to argue that Phelps has been part of world-record performances in his first five events.

New pool and suit technology have made swimming's world records meaningless, with 18 record performances through Thursday in the Olympics alone. Just four world records have fallen in track and field all year.

Swimming allows an athlete to race two finals in 24 minutes, as U.S. Olympian Ryan Lochte planned Friday morning.

Track and field is so much more physically demanding that neither Allyson Felix nor Sanya Richards dared a 200-400 double after the Olympic schedule put the second round of the 200 within three hours of the 400 final.

"Swimming is pressure off your body, where we are pounding on it," Felix said.

Swimming offers three relays with the risk of a false start minimal. Some sprinters run both track relays, the 400 and 1,600, but the exchanges on the sprint relay are so dicey Lewis lost a certain medal in 1988 when other U.S. runners botched a baton pass in a preliminary round.

If Olympic track had an 800-meter relay, an event in which Lewis was part of a world-record performance, he likely would have won at least two more gold medals.

Three of swimming's four strokes -- everything but breaststroke -- might as well be the same. Otherwise, how could backstroker Matt Grevers say he barely trained that stroke before winning an Olympic silver medal in the 100? Nearly every good freestyler can be a good butterflyer, and vice-versa.

You don't see any 100-meter runners in the mile, or any milers in the long jump.

Don't get the wrong idea. Track athletes have great respect for what Phelps has accomplished.

"It's inspiring to watch in amazement at everything he's doing," Felix said.

But he's not the most amazing Olympian ever.

Phil Hersh has focused on international sports and the Olympics at the Chicago Tribune since 1987. He has covered 14 Olympics.
 

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swimming is more forgiving and easier, huh?

I'm not ready to annoint Phelps king either, but for me, watching him has been great entertainment, and he's a great feel-good story who represents our great country with class and contagious enthusiasm. I LOVE IT! :00hour

This writer must be a jealous loser if this is what he has taken from Phelps amazing performances. Pretty sad, really!
 

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Couldn't agree more.

Reminds me of two famous quotes about journalists:

"All of us learn to write in the 2nd grade. Most of move on to greater things." Coach Bob Knight

A sports writer asked Joe Namath: "Joe, is it true that you majored in basket-weaving at Alabama?" To which Namath responded: "No. Basket-weaving was too difficult for me. I had to major in journalism."
 

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No matter what......he's still going up against other swimmers who have trained to "be the best" at this.

Yes, there has to be a ranking of which event is hardest, and which is easiest, and others fall in line.

All in all, the olympics seem to be a joke now, anyways. Look at the events involved, and tell me that anyone OUTSIDE of those events gives two shits about them?
 

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Phelps best Olympic athlete ever? Someday maybe, but not today

By Philip Hersh | Tribune Olympic Bureau
7:32 PM CDT, August 14, 2008

BEIJING - Could everyone please stop hyperventilating about Michael Phelps?

Yes, he now has won more gold medals than anyone in Olympic history.

No, that does not make him the greatest Olympic athlete in history.

In fact, he doesn't even make my top five.

He is number six with a bullet, moving up the charts like a hot pop song.

Ahead of him?

? 1. Carl Lewis, U.S., track and field.

? 2. Paavo Nurmi, Finland, track and field.

? 3. Larisa Latynina, Soviet Union, gymnastics.

? 4. Birgit Fischer-Schmidt, Germany, kayak.

? 5. Steven Redgrave, United Kingdom, rowing.

Why is Phelps sixth?

It is easy to win multiple medals in swimming. The sport is far more forgiving on the body than track or gymnastics. And Phelps does not yet have the long-term record of the others.

Lewis won nine gold medals, four in the 1984 Olympics and four straight in one event, the long jump.

Nurmi won nine gold medals at distances from 1,500 to 10,000 meters over three Olympics. He likely would have won more had he not been declared ineligible after 1928 under rules that demanded Olympians be amateurs.

Latynina won nine gold medals and 18 total medals over three Olympics.

Fischer-Schmidt won her first of eight gold medals in 1980 and her last 24 years later as a 42-year-old mother of two. She won three for the old East Germany and five for the unified Germany. She won in singles, doubles and fours. She also won four silvers.

Redgrave won gold medals in five consecutive Olympics while rowing in three different boat types.

I asked Phelps Thursday if winning the most golds makes him the greatest of all time, and he sounded like a man wisely focused on the present.

"I have no idea," he said. "I just get in the water and swim. That's the only thing I think about."

asked renowned Olympic historian David Wallechinsky the same question, and he ranked Nurmi and Lewis as co-leaders.

"I think Phelps needs one more Olympics to join them," Wallechinsky said.

Over 12 years, Lewis won two gold medals in the 100 meters, one in the 200, two on the sprint relay and an unprecedented four straight in the long jump, an event in which the impact on the body of the run-up and takeoff has been likened to falling off a truck at 25 miles per hour.

"What Lewis did is extraordinary. He is Number One," said France's Marie-Jose Perec, one of three runners to win the 200 and 400 meters in the same Olympics.

"You can't compare track and swimming. In swimming, you can recover. You can do five races in a day and get world records in all of them. That's impossible in our sport."

Don't try to argue that Phelps has been part of world-record performances in his first five events.

New pool and suit technology have made swimming's world records meaningless, with 18 record performances through Thursday in the Olympics alone. Just four world records have fallen in track and field all year.

Swimming allows an athlete to race two finals in 24 minutes, as U.S. Olympian Ryan Lochte planned Friday morning.

Track and field is so much more physically demanding that neither Allyson Felix nor Sanya Richards dared a 200-400 double after the Olympic schedule put the second round of the 200 within three hours of the 400 final.

"Swimming is pressure off your body, where we are pounding on it," Felix said.

Swimming offers three relays with the risk of a false start minimal. Some sprinters run both track relays, the 400 and 1,600, but the exchanges on the sprint relay are so dicey Lewis lost a certain medal in 1988 when other U.S. runners botched a baton pass in a preliminary round.

If Olympic track had an 800-meter relay, an event in which Lewis was part of a world-record performance, he likely would have won at least two more gold medals.

Three of swimming's four strokes -- everything but breaststroke -- might as well be the same. Otherwise, how could backstroker Matt Grevers say he barely trained that stroke before winning an Olympic silver medal in the 100? Nearly every good freestyler can be a good butterflyer, and vice-versa.

You don't see any 100-meter runners in the mile, or any milers in the long jump.

Don't get the wrong idea. Track athletes have great respect for what Phelps has accomplished.

"It's inspiring to watch in amazement at everything he's doing," Felix said.

But he's not the most amazing Olympian ever.

Phil Hersh has focused on international sports and the Olympics at the Chicago Tribune since 1987. He has covered 14 Olympics.

Typical liberal print journalist... If Phelps was French he would be the best thing since slice bread.
 

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wow....a left leaning liberal from the always left wing tribune co. coming up with the top five olymipians of all time...........and 4 of them are foriegners.......what a shocker.

next thing you know they will ranke the 1999barcelona dragons as the best football team ever, and the 1988 cubans as the best baseball team ever and fidel castro as the best leader in the history of the world.
 

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wow....a left leaning liberal from the always left wing tribune co. coming up with the top five olymipians of all time...........and 4 of them are foriegners.......what a shocker.

next thing you know they will ranke the 1999barcelona dragons as the best football team ever, and the 1988 cubans as the best baseball team ever and fidel castro as the best leader in the history of the world.

true dat,partner...
 

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when he says that swimming isn't as physically demanding as track and gymnastics he lost all credibility. i can tell you from experience that swimming is as physically and mentally demanding as it gets, and that's from years of doing it. phelps is an absolute freak of nature.
 

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he just wants a story, and he got it. while everyone else is writting about the feel good side of it, and not getting noticed because it's the norm, this tool box figures he'll make headlines because he's bashing the guy.

just the typical oportunistic liberal :0corn
 

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When talking about how physically demanding one sport is over another I think the writer was actually talking about the toll one sport can put on the body over the other and not how physically exhausting it is on the muscles. I actually agree with this guy. Look at Dara Torres, do you really think a 40 something could compete in the 100 meters in track. Why do you think athletes start their rehab in swimming pools, it's because the water isn't as hard on joints, ligaments, etc. I think it's funny how everyone always hops on the new talented athlete. Phelps is unbelievable, don't get me wrong, but the best Olympic athlete ever, I have to agree with the writer. Everyone always wants to be able to say they saw the best ever, and in doing so anoint someone this that might not actually be worthy. Kobe is the next Michael Jordan, Anthony Kim will challenge Tiger, let's not get ahead of ourselves guys. Also, if you read the title again it says "Phelps best Olympic athlete ever? Someday maybe, but not today."
 
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