VP choice

[THE KOD]

and speaking of hillary....they didn`t even vet her for v.p.....i don`t know what else bock and the dnc can do to shit on the most successful democrat duo in over 4 decades,but,if anyone thinks hillary and bill aren`t gonna get some payback,they don`t know the clintons...she`s looking to 2012...and a successful bock presidency doesn`t help her...

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screw Hillary, Bill won't.

All she has left is her vindictiveness and it will probably play out at the convention making her and Bill look like party busters and the whining cry babies that they are.

Hillary in 2012 . you got to be kidding. She is toast. She will be lucky to maintain her NY job.

 

[gardenweasel]

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screw Hillary, Bill won't.

All she has left is her vindictiveness and it will probably play out at the convention making her and Bill look like party busters and the whining cry babies that they are.

Hillary in 2012 . you got to be kidding. She is toast. She will be lucky to maintain her NY job.

18 million votes scotty...biden(who i said was the best not including hillary) ...garnered around 8,000 votes total .....

a few months back,biden was shooting for a third- or fourth-place finish in iowa - but came in fifth, and dropped out after he failed to garner 1 percent of the vote. . .

hillary(and MANY of her supporters)is not pleased...

 

[Chadman]

Wayne, I have already posted too much this AM, going to get out and do something today. But we've argued the things you posted as successes extensively in this forum. There are obviously other ways to look at it, as you mention. I guess what you are saying is that you think Bush has done a good job - which is admirable in the truest sense. Someone who supported him, and feels he has represented their ideals well. There are VERY few of you left in this country, I think, but at least you stick to your guns - literally. I knew you would stick up for him - it's the others around here I was more referring to.

The only thing I'll argue in this post is that I feel Bush and the people in his administration that truly run his show are directly responsible for much of what you highlight as being "disasters" to have dealt with. In nearly every case his administration could have dealt with things differently, and things could have been at least different, and I think better. I think they are responsible for the value of the dollar, which is the biggest reason the oil price has gone to where it is, which has put us in another recession (whether you admit we're in one or not). The pressure to keep interest rates low were directly tied to his crew, and the people he put in place, which helped cause the mortgage crisis.

His administration could have taken steps that would have lessened the impact of the great natural disaster. He didn't, that was an arguable choice, but that's part of the problem. The two simultaneous wars are two completely different stories - one was COMPLETELY elective, and has further plunged our country into the financial and political situation were are in now - and it continues to drain us. And due to the elective war, we have not succeeded in the other war - that everyone agreed we needed to fight because of 9-11.

You can only blame the spending on social programs - which were fairly constant before, during, and after him - although he has done everything he could do to reduce them. You don't blame at all the spending on the elective war, which is not facing reality, IMO.

That's enough for now. But trust me, I don't put much faith in much of how the media - either side - portrays this administration. Personally, I think I can weed through the chaff and see things for what they are. Sometimes tinted, yes, but we all do that.

You think he's done a good job, all things considered. I think he's done a bad job, for many of the same topics and reasons. We'll see this election what "the people" think. I personally don't think we'll need a Supreme Court ruling to have "change" to what has been going on the past few years.

 

[RAYMOND]

HILLARY FOR PRESIDENT:00hour

 

[IntenseOperator]

Hearing off the radio that a lot of Hillary people pissed cuz OB never gave Hillary a heads up on his VP selection. He had some subordinate call 1st then he only called much later. :shrug:

they will be voting for the old man

 

[RAYMOND]

Hearing off the radio that a lot of Hillary people pissed cuz OB never gave Hillary a heads up on his VP selection. He had some subordinate call 1st then he only called much later. :shrug:

they will be voting for the old man

:00hour AND I DO NOT BLAME THEM! FOR REAL
HILLARY SITTING ON 18 MILLION VOTE

 

[IntenseOperator]

I wonder whether Barack Obma?s vetters, Caroline Kennedy and Eric Holder, knew what they were doing when they settled on Joe Biden. Journalists and McCain opposition researchers must be logging on to Nexis and searching 1987?1988 using the key words ?Biden and plagiarism. ? There is a feast of material?I have culled examples from various print and electronic sources?that would make even the most partisan Obama backer question the wisdom of this choice.

http://www.cdobs.com/archive/our-co...y-a-characterbut-does-he-have-character,1583/

 

[Sun Tzu]

The Republicans couldnt have asked for a better choice by Obama. Biden voted for the war, is a classic anti-change guy, his son is a lobbyist, shoots from the hip, said he would run as McCain's VP, stated Obama isnt qualified, finished almost dead last in his law school class and that was after he was caught cheating, and then his 1987 plagiarism....and on and on.....

It amazes me that the Dems cant find somebody that knows how to run a campaign. Obama should easily be 15 points ahead and it is essentially tied. And then the idiots already "call their shot" about what they will do if McCain picks Romney...which only makes sense if they are scared of Romney, which is pretty sad in itself. McCain wont pick him...then how will the Dems answer all these questions they have dodged the last 2 days?

And dissing Hillary was really dumb. Does anybody really think she will now want Obama to win? SHe wants the job in 2012. She will say all the right things on Tuesday, but there is no heart in it.

And the notion that Biden will bring in votes is absurd. LBJ is the only VP candidate in eons that has made any difference anywhere.A VP candidate can hurt you but essentially never really helps.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

I think GOP would be best served using Biden's analogies of Obama as well as Hilliary's and others points on Obamas lack of any remote qualifications other than his hope and change rhetroric.

Don't think attacking Biden directly will get them any points--as he is well liked for most part by both sides in congress--and despite some gaffes in the past--and being one of most liberal I have always considered him to have strong character traits.

O's big move was early in campaign when he was unknown and getting by on his rhetoric--once news starting breaking on his past associates-voting records etc--Hilliary won most of remaining primaries--however to little to late.

In my view they need to continue to pound the weakest link ever in any pres election. They need to make O the focal point--Mac has drew close because it is evident in short time since he O won nomination he has flubbed every issue from Iraq to Russia-- My advice to O would be to go back to the hope and change spiel--and stay out of world of reality.

 

[gardenweasel]

joe biden wastes little time making his mark on the obama candidacy...


"I spent last summer going through the black sections of my town holding rallies in parks trying to get black men to understand it's not unmanly to wear a condom. Getting women to understand they can say no. Getting people in the position where testing matters. I got tested for AIDS. I know Barack [Obama] got tested for AIDS. There's no shame in being tested for AIDS."


i`m just thankful that white people don`t have to worry about getting tested for aids....

whew!..:mj09::grins:

 

[redsfann]

I wonder whether Barack Obma?s vetters, Caroline Kennedy and Eric Holder, knew what they were doing when they settled on Joe Biden. Journalists and McCain opposition researchers must be logging on to Nexis and searching 1987?1988 using the key words ?Biden and plagiarism. ? There is a feast of material?I have culled examples from various print and electronic sources?that would make even the most partisan Obama backer question the wisdom of this choice.

http://www.cdobs.com/archive/our-co...y-a-characterbut-does-he-have-character,1583/

And the Democratic Party wonders why they can't win a national election against a total lightweight like George W Bush. THIS is the reason. This election should have been a slam-dunk rout of epic proportions for the Dems, yet they are about to lose to ANOTHER clueless idiot that can't tie his own shoes. I was going to vote for Obama, now the socialists or whatever far-left party that is on the ballot come Nov 4th will be getting my vote.

 

[IntenseOperator]

Biden has deep ties to Rezko accomplice

JOSEPH CARI | 30-year friend of VP pick guilty in kickback scheme

August 25, 2008

BY DAVE MCKINNEY Staff Reporter/dmckinney@suntimes.com

DENVER -- No matter what help Barack Obama might get from Sen. Joseph Biden, his newly named vice presidential running mate won't give Obama much cover on the Tony Rezko front.

Biden has described himself as a 30-year friend of a key figure in the Rezko trial who's pleaded guilty to a federal extortion charge in Chicago and is awaiting sentencing.


When the Delaware senator began contemplating his own 2008 presidential run, he initially was helped by Chicago lawyer Joseph Cari Jr., who also served as Biden's Midwest field director in his failed 1988 bid for president.

In 2005, Cari admitted to taking part in an $850,000 kickback scheme that prosecutors say was part of a larger political fund-raising operation for Gov. Blagojevich overseen by Rezko, who was convicted in June of wide-ranging corruption involving state deals.

On the day Cari's name first surfaced in the federal probe of the state Teachers Retirement System, the former finance chairman for the Democratic National Committee and for the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee was to have hosted a Biden fund-raiser in Chicago. Cari was a no-show at that July 25, 2005, event.

Offering Cari a vote of confidence at the time, Biden said, "All I know is Joe Cari is a friend, and he's an honorable guy, but I don't know anything beyond that."

Biden took $2,000 in campaign contributions from Cari in the early and mid-1990s, federal campaign-finance records show.

Two other donors whose names surfaced in the Rezko case -- Chicago lawyers Myron "Mike" Cherry and Anthony Licata -- donated to Biden's U.S. Senate campaign, as well. Cherry has given Biden $5,900, while Licata gave $1,000. Neither Cherry nor Licata has been accused of any criminal wrongdoing.

Earlier this year, in a bid to distance Obama from Rezko, the Illinois senator's campaign fund gave away to charity an amount equal to what had been contributed to the Democratic presidential hopeful by Cari, Cherry and Licata.

The Obama campaign downplayed the significance of Cari's contributions to Biden, noting that Cari was a prolific donor to an array of other politicians, from Sen. Hillary Clinton (D-N.Y.) to Illinois' other Democratic senator, Dick Durbin.

Still, an Obama spokesman said Biden would follow Obama's lead and divest his campaign fund of any money from Cari.

"As the former national finance director for the DSCC and DNC, Mr. Cari was a fund-raiser for many prominent elected officials," spokesman Ben LaBolt said. "If any contributions from Mr. Cari have not been returned or donated it is an oversight, and they will be immediately."

 

[IntenseOperator]

I'm just having fun

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sM19YOqs7hU&eurl=http://www.moonbattery.com/

 

[IntenseOperator]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcX_xfuivbs&NR=1

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