the debate
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i did not see it as childish , but as stronger leader
who stand firm, obama does not have the exp , it was easy to see :grouphug: throuht my tv
McCain's condescension comes off as petty and insecure. It just doesn't work for him.
It worked for Ronald Reagan because he had the charisma to pull it off. John McCain doesn't.
It worked for Ronald Reagan because he had the charisma to pull it off. John McCain doesn't.
After all that, when the wandering debater finally showed up Friday night, he just looked like a smallish, grayish, slightly grumpy guy with a grizzly obsession.
A simple trip to Mississippi turned into a saga featuring many, many rapidly changing story lines:
* Cancel the debate!
* Maybe cancel the debate!
* No debate unless Congress passes a financial rescue bill!
* No debate unless Congress has a plan to pass a financial rescue bill.
McCain returning to a Senate from which he has been AWOL so long that it?s believed his desk is now being used to store janitorial supplies. :mj07:
He raced there in answer to the crisis call, after a brief detour to New York to deliver a desperately needed speech on fossil fuels at the Clinton Global Initiative. He could not have sounded more filled with passion about service and country and the need for his leadership. Then he joined President Bush, Obama and members of Congress in a White House meeting that his campaign had orchestrated, where he sat in near-silence as a bipartisan consensus fell apart. :nono:
McCain stumbled over the name of the president of Iran and misstated the name of the new leader of Pakistan.:142smilie :142smilie
Foreign power expert :mj07:
uh Armadinna jackt, armadinnerjjeee, ajjddfjajacket, armeaident , areee :142smilie
McCain was crushed
A simple trip to Mississippi turned into a saga featuring many, many rapidly changing story lines:
* Cancel the debate!
* Maybe cancel the debate!
* No debate unless Congress passes a financial rescue bill!
* No debate unless Congress has a plan to pass a financial rescue bill.
McCain returning to a Senate from which he has been AWOL so long that it?s believed his desk is now being used to store janitorial supplies. :mj07:
He raced there in answer to the crisis call, after a brief detour to New York to deliver a desperately needed speech on fossil fuels at the Clinton Global Initiative. He could not have sounded more filled with passion about service and country and the need for his leadership. Then he joined President Bush, Obama and members of Congress in a White House meeting that his campaign had orchestrated, where he sat in near-silence as a bipartisan consensus fell apart. :nono:
McCain stumbled over the name of the president of Iran and misstated the name of the new leader of Pakistan.:142smilie :142smilie
Foreign power expert :mj07:
uh Armadinna jackt, armadinnerjjeee, ajjddfjajacket, armeaident , areee :142smilie
McCain was crushed
At least he pronounced the country of Pakistan correctly, Scott.
My take on the debate was that I thought neither candidate had much of an advantage. I did think Obama looked weak when he continually tried to refute whatever McCain said about him.
I didn't like McCain's lack of eye contact with Obama. I did think McCain succeeded in his attempt to show how weak Obama is in foreign policy and how Obama hasn't held meetings in his sub-committee nor has he been to much of the region in question. McCain also succeeded in distancing himself from Bush which is a must for him. McCain failed by not talking enough about his service although he did have a good point about winning the war (mentioning how hard it was to lose the one he participated in).
I didn't see the first 30 minutes, but I heard Obama looked better than McCain in that session. In what I saw, I thought Obama looked pretty good as usual in general, and he seemed sharp. He's an appealing guy to his base and even to me although I wholly don't like his politics.
Small advantage to McCain, but I feel he should have been a more clear winner for the subject matter.
My take on the debate was that I thought neither candidate had much of an advantage. I did think Obama looked weak when he continually tried to refute whatever McCain said about him.
I didn't like McCain's lack of eye contact with Obama. I did think McCain succeeded in his attempt to show how weak Obama is in foreign policy and how Obama hasn't held meetings in his sub-committee nor has he been to much of the region in question. McCain also succeeded in distancing himself from Bush which is a must for him. McCain failed by not talking enough about his service although he did have a good point about winning the war (mentioning how hard it was to lose the one he participated in).
I didn't see the first 30 minutes, but I heard Obama looked better than McCain in that session. In what I saw, I thought Obama looked pretty good as usual in general, and he seemed sharp. He's an appealing guy to his base and even to me although I wholly don't like his politics.
Small advantage to McCain, but I feel he should have been a more clear winner for the subject matter.
After all that, when the wandering debater finally showed up Friday night, he just looked like a smallish, grayish, slightly grumpy guy with a grizzly obsession.
Palin/McCain
Palin/McCain
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But he has rarely wavered in his loyalty to Las Vegas, where he counts casino executives among his close friends and most prolific fund-raisers. ?Beyond just his support for gaming, Nevada supports John McCain because he?s one of us, a Westerner at heart,? said Sig Rogich, a Nevada Republican kingmaker who raised nearly $2 million for Mr. McCain at an event at his home in June.
Only six members of Congress have received more money from the gambling industry than Mr. McCain, and five hail from the casino hubs of Nevada and New Jersey, according to data from the Center for Responsive Politics dating back to 1989. In the presidential race, Senator Barack Obama has also received money from the industry; Mr. McCain has raised almost twice as much.
In May 2007, as Mr. McCain?s presidential bid was floundering, he spent a weekend at the MGM Grand on the Las Vegas strip. A fund-raiser hosted by J. Terrence Lanni, the casino?s top executive and a longtime friend of the senator, raised $400,000 for his campaign. Afterward, Mr. McCain attended a boxing match and hit the craps tables.
For much of his adult life, Mr. McCain has gambled as often as once a month, friends and associates said, traveling to Las Vegas for weekend betting marathons. Former senior campaign officials said they worried about Mr. McCain?s patronage of casinos, given the power he wields over the industry. The officials, like others interviewed for this article, spoke on condition of anonymity. :0corn
?We were always concerned about appearances,? one former official said. ?If you go around saying that appearances matter, then they matter.?
The former official said he would tell Mr. McCain: ?Do we really have to go to a casino? I don?t think it?s a good idea. The base doesn?t like it. It doesn?t look good. And good things don?t happen in casinos at midnight.?
?You worry too much,? Mr. McCain would respond, the official said.
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I may have to rethink this .
Only six members of Congress have received more money from the gambling industry than Mr. McCain, and five hail from the casino hubs of Nevada and New Jersey, according to data from the Center for Responsive Politics dating back to 1989. In the presidential race, Senator Barack Obama has also received money from the industry; Mr. McCain has raised almost twice as much.
In May 2007, as Mr. McCain?s presidential bid was floundering, he spent a weekend at the MGM Grand on the Las Vegas strip. A fund-raiser hosted by J. Terrence Lanni, the casino?s top executive and a longtime friend of the senator, raised $400,000 for his campaign. Afterward, Mr. McCain attended a boxing match and hit the craps tables.
For much of his adult life, Mr. McCain has gambled as often as once a month, friends and associates said, traveling to Las Vegas for weekend betting marathons. Former senior campaign officials said they worried about Mr. McCain?s patronage of casinos, given the power he wields over the industry. The officials, like others interviewed for this article, spoke on condition of anonymity. :0corn
?We were always concerned about appearances,? one former official said. ?If you go around saying that appearances matter, then they matter.?
The former official said he would tell Mr. McCain: ?Do we really have to go to a casino? I don?t think it?s a good idea. The base doesn?t like it. It doesn?t look good. And good things don?t happen in casinos at midnight.?
?You worry too much,? Mr. McCain would respond, the official said.
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I may have to rethink this .
When your candidate has no qualification or experience to speak about--
They have to go with what they got Raymond
