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I AM AGAINST IT

NUMBER 1 BAILOUT BANKS AND CEO FOR WHAT
TO ADD GAS TO THE FIRE! NO

MCACAIN BUSH AND OBAMA ARE SAYING SMALL BUSSINESS ARE GOING TO FAIL BULLSHIT

I HAVE A SMALL BUSSINESS AND DO NOT GET LOAN FOR MY BUSSINESS AS I AM THE BANK ITS ME PLAIN AND SIMPLE1 MY REWARD ARE MY REWARD! IN BUSSINESS ITS UP TO YOU TO MANAGE YOUR BUSSINESS! THE RIGHT WAY ! FAAIL OR NOT! WHAT MAKES THESE COMPANY SPECIAL! LET THEM BURN! THE ROOF ON FIRE LET THE MOTHER FVCKER BURN!:00hour

I SEE THIS AS A OPPROTUNITY FOR MY BUSSSINESS TO MOVE UP


LIKE THE JEFFERSON MOVING TO THE TOP:00hour


WHO GOING TO BAIL ME OUT:shrug: NO ONE



IT TIME FOR REAL CHANGE VOTE FOR ME FOR PRESIDENT:)
 

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BUSSINESS THAT ARE GOING TO FAIL ARE GOING TO FAIL ANYWAY


I AM RIGHT OR WRONG


LIKE TO HEAR FROM THE GANG HERE

TIME TO PUT UP OR SHUT UP:)
 

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545 people vs the welfare of 300 million

545 people vs the welfare of 300 million

Oh, yeah. 2 weeks ago Bush said the economy was fine. A week ago, he said the sky is falling and that the economy is about to collapse.




545 PEOPLE (Editorial by Charlie Reese of the Orlando Sentinel)

Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.

Have you ever wondered why, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?

Have you ever wondered why, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?

You and I don't propose a federal budget. The president does.

You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does.

You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.

You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does.

You and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.

One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president, and nine Supreme Court justices 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.

I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a president to do one cotton-picking thing. I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matte r what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes.

Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.

What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits. The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.

The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House? She is the leader of the majority party. She and fellow House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.

It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million cannot replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can't think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair.

If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red.

If the Army & Marines are in IRAQ , it's because they want them in IRAQ.

If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it's because they want it that way.

They vote their own pay raises for themselves because they want it that way.

There are no unsolvable government problems.

Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like 'the economy,' 'inflation,' or 'politics' that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.

They, and they alone, have the power.

They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees.

We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!


Charlie Reese is a former columnist of the

Orlando Sentinel Newspaper.

What you do with this article now that you have read it is up to you, though you appear to have several choices.
1. You can send this to everyone in your address book, and hope' they' do something about it.
2. You can agree to 'vote against everyone that is currently in office, knowing that the process will take several years.
3. You can decide to 'run for office' yourself and agree to do the job properly.
4. Lastly, you can sit back and do nothing, or re-elect the current bunch.
 

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I AM AGAINST IT

NUMBER 1 BAILOUT BANKS AND CEO FOR WHAT
TO ADD GAS TO THE FIRE! NO

MCACAIN BUSH AND OBAMA ARE SAYING SMALL BUSSINESS ARE GOING TO FAIL BULLSHIT

I HAVE A SMALL BUSSINESS AND DO NOT GET LOAN FOR MY BUSSINESS AS I AM THE BANK ITS ME PLAIN AND SIMPLE1 MY REWARD ARE MY REWARD! IN BUSSINESS ITS UP TO YOU TO MANAGE YOUR BUSSINESS! THE RIGHT WAY ! FAAIL OR NOT! WHAT MAKES THESE COMPANY SPECIAL! LET THEM BURN! THE ROOF ON FIRE LET THE MOTHER FVCKER BURN!:00hour

I SEE THIS AS A OPPROTUNITY FOR MY BUSSSINESS TO MOVE UP


LIKE THE JEFFERSON MOVING TO THE TOP:00hour


WHO GOING TO BAIL ME OUT:shrug: NO ONE



IT TIME FOR REAL CHANGE VOTE FOR ME FOR PRESIDENT:)

I've got to know who you'er going to pick for your VP. I could vote for you,but they'er some on this forum that I just can't vote for.
GOOD LUCK with your run for the oval office. :toast:
 

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LIKE 3 BUT I HAVE A RECORD IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, AND ITS ARE A GOOD IDEA FOR ME:SIB I WAS YOUNG AND A DUMMY AT ONE TIME:sadwave:
 

RAYMOND

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I've got to know who you'er going to pick for your VP. I could vote for you,but they'er some on this forum that I just can't vote for.
GOOD LUCK with your run for the oval office. :toast:

MR TRUMP AS MY VP
 

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Ray tough ???. I always thought I understood business, the running of one, book keeping and taxes. Right now the government has me confused. I'm sure some is TOTAL BS. I understand where you are coming from to. The American way has always been. The strong make it and grow .The other's try again or give up.
But there now saying that was tried by Hoover and he buried us. I do believe somewhere the answer is there. But I sure as hell don't get it.
 

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Oh, yeah. 2 weeks ago Bush said the economy was fine. A week ago, he said the sky is falling and that the economy is about to collapse.




545 PEOPLE (Editorial by Charlie Reese of the Orlando Sentinel)

Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.

Have you ever wondered why, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?

Have you ever wondered why, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?

You and I don't propose a federal budget. The president does.

You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does.

You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.

You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does.

You and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.

One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one president, and nine Supreme Court justices 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.

I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a president to do one cotton-picking thing. I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matte r what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes.

Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.

What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits. The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.

The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House? She is the leader of the majority party. She and fellow House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.

It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million cannot replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can't think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

If the tax code is unfair, it's because they want it unfair.

If the budget is in the red, it's because they want it in the red.

If the Army & Marines are in IRAQ , it's because they want them in IRAQ.

If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it's because they want it that way.

They vote their own pay raises for themselves because they want it that way.

There are no unsolvable government problems.

Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like 'the economy,' 'inflation,' or 'politics' that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.

Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.

They, and they alone, have the power.

They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees.

We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!


Charlie Reese is a former columnist of the

Orlando Sentinel Newspaper.

What you do with this article now that you have read it is up to you, though you appear to have several choices.
1. You can send this to everyone in your address book, and hope' they' do something about it.
2. You can agree to 'vote against everyone that is currently in office, knowing that the process will take several years.
3. You can decide to 'run for office' yourself and agree to do the job properly.
4. Lastly, you can sit back and do nothing, or re-elect the current bunch.

Our IMPERIAL PRESIDENT stoled the election in 2000.Then he gave us the big LIE and put the nation to WAR. The beginning of the worst 8 years of my life.
Now with that big "LIE" swallowed,why not gag them with the next LIE. The country is broke and the SOB'S want to print money and steal the future from your grand kids.
You mention the constitution being the law of the land. I for one believe that our IMPERIAL PRESIDENT as pissed on the constitution. I absolutely hate George Bush.
Yes,to be fair about all that you have written above,the 545 are criminals and should be held accountable accordingly.
We need a top 10 list and vote them out. Pelosi and Reid would be on it.A list like the 52 cards for the top terrorist or a top 10 most wanted FBI list. We need a watchdog group that keeps the list up to date.That would be a start.
 
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I'm really hoping the house votes down this increasingly larger and larger piece of crap pork laden monstrosity called a bailout. Nauseating. Truly.
 

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Ray... as i can tell you're not looking at the big picture.

You must understand that people spend money reliant on their investments. Lets say I have 500K invested and I make 50k a year. If I have lost 20% of my portolio in the last 2 months, chances are I am going to hord my money.

Just like the stimulus checks... did those help? absoolutely not.

I absolutely agree with you on the government not bailing you out when you are in trouble.. but we must have a good economy for you to make ends meet... so to speak.

Once again, I agree with you putting down the bailout, but just think about everybody losing their retirement... people would stop spending money...


unless you own a strip bar or pimp?

This economy reminds me of a leak in the ceiling... its been leaking a long time and all I do is patch it up. before I know it the whole ceiling is going to fall down on top of me.
 

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So now they are going to try again Friday.

And the gist of what I am getting is that they changed some FDIC provision to protect the taxpayers. :shrug:

Oh and they added another 150 billion in pork stuff so that they could influence the House to pass this crap ?

wtf :shrug:
 

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Doesnt happen often ...

Doesnt happen often ...

But i agree with u on this one Raymundo.....no Bailout!!
Japan tried it and they are still not fully recovered.
Sweden was in the same spot we are in....no govt Bailout and were back on their feet in less than 2 years after some ruff sledding.
 

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Cant believe they are gonna pass this abomination. Too bad McCain voted for it. Think he's toast for sure now.
 

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But i agree with u on this one Raymundo.....no Bailout!!
Japan tried it and they are still not fully recovered.
Sweden was in the same spot we are in....no govt Bailout and were back on their feet in less than 2 years after some ruff sledding.

Don't say anything but i agree with Raymond also. Love all these politicians who keep saying its a bad bill but we need it. Fix the fuker then and then pass it i have some time to wait. All this talking about people losing their retirement packages i wonder if this is a big bullshit tactic.
I also don't know of any of my buddies business that keep borrowing to pay their payrolls:shrug: Swore they used their profits for this.:shrug: got to love it tho. The so called conservative Dems and Republicans who bullshitted about blocking this bill because they are conservative will now sign it because they have been bought by pork. Its almost funny.
 

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Don't say anything but i agree with Raymond also. Love all these politicians who keep saying its a bad bill but we need it. Fix the fuker then and then pass it i have some time to wait. All this talking about people losing their retirement packages i wonder if this is a big bullshit tactic.
I also don't know of any of my buddies business that keep borrowing to pay their payrolls:shrug: Swore they used their profits for this.:shrug: got to love it tho. The so called conservative Dems and Republicans who bullshitted about blocking this bill because they are conservative will now sign it because they have been bought by pork. Its almost funny.

If you have to borrow money to meet payroll you need to rethink your business practices. Is this common in the real world? Christ.

OT- Just saw Jerrold Nadler on C-SPAN. Congrats to him for losing all that weight. Don't agree w/ him much but am happy he is healthier.
 
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