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By NEDRA PICKLER, Associated Press Writer
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Tonight's debate is in McCain's favorite style

WASHINGTON - Tuesday night's presidential debate offers Republican John McCain one of his last best chances to stop Democrat Barack Obama's recent surge in the race and turn it in his favor.


The debate's town hall format is McCain's favorite style of campaigning. He asked Obama to appear with him in a series of town hall debates this past summer, but Obama wouldn't take him up on the challenge.
That leaves Tuesday night's debate four weeks before Election Day as the only joint town hall that the two are scheduled to hold. The event at Belmont University in Nashville, Tenn., is being moderated by NBC's Tom Brokaw and will include questions on both foreign and domestic policy raised by the audience and voters participating through the Internet.

But the candidates are likely to go after each other on character issues, which McCain's team has forcefully re-injected into the campaign since the weekend.

GOP vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin has raised Obama's ties to 1960s-era radical William Ayers and to the Democrat's former pastor, the incendiary Rev. Jeremiah Wright. In New Mexico on Monday, McCain himself asked, "Who is the real Sen. Obama?"

Obama retorted in North Carolina that McCain was engaging "in the usual political shenanigans and smear tactics" to distract from economic issues, even as his campaign rolled out a video recounting McCain's involvement in the 1980s Keating Five savings and loan scandal in which the Senate Ethics Committee criticized his "poor judgment."

The newest TV ad from the Obama campaign plays up widespread reports that McCain's focus on the Democrat's past associations is an effort to turn the discussion away from the economy. "As Americans lose their jobs, homes and savings, it's time for a president who'll change the economy, not change the subject," says the ad released Tuesday.

The town hall is McCain's signature ? one way he built his "Straight Talk" reputation by interacting with voters in the 2000 campaign and then pulled himself out of single digits to win this year's Republican primary. Since he won the nomination, however, the audiences for these events have needed to get tickets and have not been the come-one-come-all events of the primaries.

Obama has used the town hall format sporadically throughout his campaign, but not recently.

Instead the Democratic nominee has carefully protected his lead with a highly scripted campaign style ever since an off-the-cuff line blew up into a false controversy four weeks ago. Ever since, he's been exclusively sticking to rallies and speeches with a TelePrompTer almost always feeding him prepared text to read.

Obama's last town hall was on Sept. 12 ? three days after he went on a riff about how McCain is talking about change when he's really just like President Bush and concluded, "You can put lipstick on a pig."

Obama hadn't even mentioned McCain running mate Sarah Palin before using the line, but the McCain campaign argued it was a clear reference to her signature line during her nomination acceptance speech the week before, when she said the only difference between hockey moms like her and a pit bull is lipstick.

No matter Obama's intent, the debate dominated a full day of campaign coverage and distracted from Obama's plans to focus the campaign on criticism of McCain.

Obama went ahead with two more town halls scheduled for the following three days ? one the next day in Virginia, where he lashed out at McCain and the media for blowing up his comment, and another two days later in New Hampshire, where a voter drew the spotlight when he rose and demanded to know when Obama would bring more of a fighting spirit against his critics.

Obama isn't the only one trying to minimize the chance for an unscripted moment at this critical stage of the campaign. McCain still holds his signature town hall meetings but has limited his interaction with the media.

McCain's campaign plane is still emblazoned "Straight Talk Express," but the couch installed at the front doesn't carry reporters for freewheeling conversations like in the early days on his primary campaign bus trips. The town hall debate could be McCain's chance to again to come across to voters as feisty, warm, engaging and quick-witted. Those qualities are harder to show in scripted events.

But a town hall debate is not the same as a town hall campaign event ? McCain will be sharing the stage with Obama, and his every word will be parsed.
 

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Caught bits and pieces but found most of it boring-would agree with most reports--no knockout blows which would benefit O.

The things that gripe me most about both is it appears they are in race to see who can promise more freebies for the "middle" class at expense of "taxpayor" when primary objective should be where are we going to cut spending.

don't know details on this one yet--but came from Mac and looks like plan from far left playbook--
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"WASHINGTON (AP) - Republican presidential candidate John McCain is proposing a $300 billion program for the federal government to buy up bad home mortgages and allow homeowners to keep their houses.

McCain said: "Until we stabilize home values in America, we're never going to start turning around and creating jobs and fixing our economy and we've got to get some trust and confidence back to America."

In an unusual step, McCain announced the plan during Tuesday's debate. He said that as president he would direct the federal government to purchase mortgages directly from homeowners and mortgage providers. The loans would be replaced with fixed-rate mortgages, ostensibly at a loss to the government.

"Is it expensive? Yes," McCain said."
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If this means reducing principal on loans I think I said before--is slap i face to 95% of homeowners that are responsible and pay their loans--while rewarding the deadbeats at their expense.

Someone needs to inform Mac it doesn't make any diff what he promises the dead beats in our society as they will vote 90% for liberal--however he will lose votes from the working class by trying to pander to them at tax payors expense.

---how about a debate on how each candidate will cut spending vs increasing it.?
 

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Caught bits and pieces but found most of it boring-would agree with most reports--no knockout blows which would benefit O.

The things that gripe me most about both is it appears they are in race to see who can promise more freebies for the "middle" class at expense of "taxpayor" when primary objective should be where are we going to cut spending.

don't know details on this one yet--but came from Mac and looks like plan from far left playbook--
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"WASHINGTON (AP) - Republican presidential candidate John McCain is proposing a $300 billion program for the federal government to buy up bad home mortgages and allow homeowners to keep their houses.

McCain said: "Until we stabilize home values in America, we're never going to start turning around and creating jobs and fixing our economy and we've got to get some trust and confidence back to America."

In an unusual step, McCain announced the plan during Tuesday's debate. He said that as president he would direct the federal government to purchase mortgages directly from homeowners and mortgage providers. The loans would be replaced with fixed-rate mortgages, ostensibly at a loss to the government.

"Is it expensive? Yes," McCain said."
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If this means reducing principal on loans I think I said before--is slap i face to 95% of homeowners that are responsible and pay their loans--while rewarding the deadbeats at their expense.

Someone needs to inform Mac it doesn't make any diff what he promises the dead beats in our society as they will vote 90% for liberal--however he will lose votes from the working class by trying to pander to them at tax payors expense.

---how about a debate on how each candidate will cut spending vs increasing it.?

Just wondering if you have anything to say in the bailout thread Gary started or are you always gonna be focused on these so called dead beats when the real big money being wasted is in these ceo's salaries? I never saw a middle class guy in my life who fights for the rich like you do. It is almost like when the rich have something bad said about them it destroys your day.
 

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Just wondering if you have anything to say in the bailout thread Gary started or are you always gonna be focused on these so called dead beats when the real big money being wasted is in these ceo's salaries? I never saw a middle class guy in my life who fights for the rich like you do. It is almost like when the rich have something bad said about them it destroys your day.

What does a salary have to do with yearly escalating social benefits?

Wasn't aware ceo packages were included in our yearly budget:shrug:

However haven't seen the 1st person yet happy about ceo benefits --have you?
 

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What does a salary have to do with yearly escalating social benefits?

Wasn't aware ceo packages were included in our yearly budget:shrug:

However haven't seen the 1st person yet happy about ceo benefits --have you?

A few here are CEO Groupies. They love the achievers and the producers.!
 
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--and several are affiliated with the deadbeats and liberal base.

--depends which side of fence your on in the income redistribution/socialism ordeal--
 

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Caught bits and pieces but found most of it boring-would agree with most reports--no knockout blows which would benefit O.

The things that gripe me most about both is it appears they are in race to see who can promise more freebies for the "middle" class at expense of "taxpayor" when primary objective should be where are we going to cut spending.

don't know details on this one yet--but came from Mac and looks like plan from far left playbook--
++++++++++++++++++++++++++

"WASHINGTON (AP) - Republican presidential candidate John McCain is proposing a $300 billion program for the federal government to buy up bad home mortgages and allow homeowners to keep their houses.

McCain said: "Until we stabilize home values in America, we're never going to start turning around and creating jobs and fixing our economy and we've got to get some trust and confidence back to America."

In an unusual step, McCain announced the plan during Tuesday's debate. He said that as president he would direct the federal government to purchase mortgages directly from homeowners and mortgage providers. The loans would be replaced with fixed-rate mortgages, ostensibly at a loss to the government.

"Is it expensive? Yes," McCain said."
++++++++++++++++++++++++++

If this means reducing principal on loans I think I said before--is slap i face to 95% of homeowners that are responsible and pay their loans--while rewarding the deadbeats at their expense.

Someone needs to inform Mac it doesn't make any diff what he promises the dead beats in our society as they will vote 90% for liberal--however he will lose votes from the working class by trying to pander to them at tax payors expense.

---how about a debate on how each candidate will cut spending vs increasing it.?

Great post, Dogs. I knew you had it in you, my friend...;)

McCain dropped this turd in the 1st few minutes last night and that was all I needed to see...Thought about starting a thread here titled "McCain is a socialist" but I resisted...:mj07:

And that debate you are proposing about Barry and Johnny cutting spending Vs. increasing spending?
It would be the SHORTEST and QUIETEST debate in U.S. history, no?
 

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Great post, Dogs. I knew you had it in you, my friend...;)

McCain dropped this turd in the 1st few minutes last night and that was all I needed to see...Thought about starting a thread here titled "McCain is a socialist" but I resisted...:mj07:

And that debate you are proposing about Barry and Johnny cutting spending Vs. increasing spending?
It would be the SHORTEST and QUIETEST debate in U.S. history, no?

We have never been far off on principles Reds.

The tax revenue have been ample last 15 years--its the spending thats the culprit--and both sides guilty.

They plan their spending on best case scenerio and don't think about the consequences of adverse factors--war-man made and natural disasters-etc and bam their way over their heads--and then proceed to tell us what more they want to give away--and how they will balance budget in same breath--and expect us to fall for it.

They can toss both their healthcare plans--it isn't going to happen--and cut all foreign aid other than or closest allies and they "might" see light of day.
 

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John like this style of debate. However he likes it when it's a room full of supporters. It's tough when you give a answer and there's dead silence.
He lost control as soon as he said buy houses. His consevative base been going nuts today. And of course Paulson said today they have a plan already to do something like it. John's looking shake at best.
 

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You have to read between the lines--DJV

saw replay of O speaking about his poor ole mother and big bad insurance co saying her claim was pre existing when she was in hospital--make you really want to boo hoo doesn't it--

I see it a little differently--knowing Pre Ex clause is to prevent people not having ins until they need it--then take out expecting ins co to foot bill so--falls in line with the food stamps--and rest of resume on his parents.

of course its not their fault--always someone to blame--funny thing is how the sheeples boo and cheer when they are absolutely clueless to the facts.
 

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Wayne,

You still digging into the 'character' of grandpappy Bush and the 'family values' of McCain, or should I pretty much give up on getting any sort of answer?

As Rob Scheider might say, 'you kinnn dooooo it!'
 

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I see it a little differently--knowing Pre Ex clause is to prevent people not having ins until they need it--then take out expecting ins co to foot bill so--falls in line with the food stamps--and rest of resume on his parents.

of course its not their fault--always someone to blame--funny thing is how the sheeples boo and cheer when they are absolutely clueless to the facts.

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how do you know she didnt have insurance for 10 years before she needed it.?

you have such a ****ed up way of thinking about things.

kosar - good luck on DTB answering anything like that . He dont answer things that dont follow the neocon party line.
 

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Anyone who's had to buy a Family health plan latley was super lucky to find one for $5000. If they did find one. The co pays would easly add another 5 to 7 grand a year. Most family plans with doc visit as co pays of 20 bucks per visit and deductable of 1500 a year. Cost more like 10 to 13 grand a year. And then John's plan would tax that as income. No/No.
 

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I've asked you 3 times to put it up--to allevite matteres lets just start a thread on O vs Mac and GW on family values.


You asked me 3 times to put *what* up?

You managed to find wikipedia when you wanted to make a nice tribute to the Bush 'family values', so I know you can find that.

Also, try google.com. In that white box, type in 'Prescott Bush.'

I mean, really.
 
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