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Henderson on Hall of Fame ballot for the 1st time
Dec 1, 12:40 pm EST

(AP)?Career steals leader Rickey Henderson heads 10 first-time candidates on this year?s Hall of Fame ballot, joining holdovers Mark McGwire and Jim Rice?eligible for the final time.

Other newcomers are Jay Bell, David Cone, Ron Gant, Mark Grace, Jesse Orosco, Dan Plesac, Greg Vaughn, Mo Vaughn and Matt Williams.

Just 23 players are on the ballot, the smallest group ever. Holdovers include Harold Baines, Bert Blyleven, Andre Dawson. Tommy John, Don Mattingly, Jack Morris, Dale Murphy, Dave Parker, Tim Raines, Lee Smith and Alan Trammell.

A 10-time All-Star who played from 1979-2003, Henderson holds the career records for steals (1,406) and runs (2,295), and his 2,190 walks are second to Barry Bonds? 2,558. Henderson also is first in caught stealing with 335.

Henderson played for nine teams, winning the 1990 AL MVP award with Oakland.


McGwire, eighth on the career home-run list with 583, has denied using illegal performance-enhancing substances but evaded questions when he appeared before a congressional committee, saying: ?I?m not here to talk about the past.?

He received 128 votes in the 2008 election from 10-year members of the Baseball Writers? Association of America?matching his total from 2007, when he was eligible for the first time. His percentage of 23.6 percent was well short of the 75 percent necessary for election.

Rice received 392 votes (72.2 percent) in 2008, 16 short of the 75 percent needed.

Reporters who have been in the BBWAA for 10 or more consecutive years are eligible to vote, and the totals will be announced Jan. 12. Inductions, which will include anyone elected by the Veterans Committee, are scheduled for July 26 at Cooperstown, N.Y. The Veterans Committee vote will be announced Dec. 8.

The complete ballot: Harold Baines, Jay Bell, Bert Blyleven, David Cone, Andre Dawson, Ron Gant, Mark Grace, Rickey Henderson, Tommy John, Don Mattingly, Mark McGwire, Jack Morris, Dale Murphy, Jesse Orosco, Dave Parker, Dan Plesac, Tim Raines, Jim Rice, Lee Smith, Alan Trammell, Greg Vaughn, Mo Vaughn, Matt Williams.

Updated Dec 1, 12:40 pm EST
 

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i totally agree.....rice should be in there....

i think the only reason he`s not is because he was petulant with the media......which,in my book, he gets extra credit for...

rickey henderson?.....no question...always thought that if he were bigger,he could have been a great running back...the guy was built like a rock...

some good players on that list that may never get in...
 

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Henderson - Absolutely...great on the bases, great lead-off hitter.

Rice - WTF voters? should have been in a long time ago.

Blyleven: 288 wins, 5th all time srtikeouts- should be in.

For the VETS: One name only: TONY OLIVA...AL batting champ 3 times (including his first 2 years). 8 time All-Star, BEST outfield arm in baseball in the 60s, even Clemente would say that.:director:
 

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Should he be in??

Should he be in??

Santo...

14 yr career
9 time all star...64% of yrs played
5 time golden glove..36% of yrs played
342 hrs...24/yr
1331 rbi...95/yr
.277 batting ave

Brooks Robinson...already in (compare)

22 yr career
12 time all star...55% of yrs played
16 time gold glove...73% of yrs played :scared
268 hrs...12/yr
1357 rbi...62/yr
1 mvp

I think Santo compares favorably.

Far superior hitter..

All star for 2/3 of career

Robinson's gg's are unsurpassed however
 

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For the VETS: One name only: TONY OLIVA...AL batting champ 3 times (including his first 2 years). 8 time All-Star, BEST outfield arm in baseball in the 60s, even Clemente would say that.:director:


akways thought it was a crime that tony oliva wasn't in the hall....but i don't know if i ever saw anybody with a better arm than clemente....

does anybody know if rod carew is in the hall ?

btw...i think dawson & tony perez should be considered....
 

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Santo...

14 yr career
9 time all star...64% of yrs played
5 time golden glove..36% of yrs played
342 hrs...24/yr
1331 rbi...95/yr
.277 batting ave

Brooks Robinson...already in (compare)

22 yr career
12 time all star...55% of yrs played
16 time gold glove...73% of yrs played :scared
268 hrs...12/yr
1357 rbi...62/yr
1 mvp

I think Santo compares favorably.

Far superior hitter..

All star for 2/3 of career

Robinson's gg's are unsurpassed however

i agree that santo should be considered also.....but as a long time yankee fan, i always enjoyed watching brooks play 3rd....
 

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Henderson - Absolutely...great on the bases, great lead-off hitter.

Rice - WTF voters? should have been in a long time ago.

Blyleven: 288 wins, 5th all time srtikeouts- should be in.

For the VETS: One name only: TONY OLIVA...AL batting champ 3 times (including his first 2 years). 8 time All-Star, BEST outfield arm in baseball in the 60s, even Clemente would say that.:director:

Agree with all these and I still have hope the Veteran's committee gets Santo in before he dies. Last few years he has had some really bad bouts with his diabetes...missing most of the Cubs' road trips with many trips to the hospital...
 

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Forgot about Santo. He makes an excellent choice. Matches up well statistically with Brooks. Santo's problem is like Oliva's.

Never won a WS.
 

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Forgot about Santo. He makes an excellent choice. Matches up well statistically with Brooks. Santo's problem is like Oliva's.

Never won a WS.


how the hell can any voter hold the "no World Series" tag on Santos..



he played for the friggin sad sack Cubs..

gezzzzzzz.

talk about an uneven playing field..
 
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