obama administration:no more"enemy combatants"....good grief...

[gardenweasel]

WASHINGTON (AP) - "The Obama administration is abandoning one of President George W. Bush?s key phrases in the war on terrorism: enemy combatant.

In court filings Friday, the Justice Department said it will no longer use the term to justify holding prisoners at Guantanamo Bay."



can`t call them "terrorists"....can`t call them "enemy combatants"...

how about"people who made bad choices"?(i`m trying to be politically correct here)....

"misunderstood friends"?..."future acorn volunteers"?...."victims of bushitler`s imperialism"...."just guys with beards in the neighborhood"?...:142smilie


lol...this is a fun game...

"""The Justice Department says prisoners can only be detained if their support for al-Qaida or the Taliban was "substantial."""""

i guess we just stop holding them unless we can snap a picture of them in the act of killing people?...

i can just see "the one" and his fellow leftists patting each other on the back for how evolved and civilized they are for following the europeans down the primrose path.......

off topic(not really).....http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,509106,00.html

hilarity ensues....:grins:

 

[gardenweasel]

can't hold `em....
can't interrogate `em....
can't prosecute `em...
(why bother even capturing them?)

there`s a consistency here though. it`s much like energy...

can't use nuclear power...
can't drill for oil..
taxing coal out of existence...
can't drive big cars...
can`t use incandescent lightbulbs.....

/w.a.s.s....

 

[ImFeklhr]

can`t use incandescent lightbulbs.....

/w.a.s.s....

oh hell no. this must die.

I honestly just can't shine under florescent lights. I look pasty and listless, and that just won't do.

I'm not kidding. I'll be driving to Mexico or Nevada to get light bulbs if this is ever phased in solely in California.

 

[gardenweasel]

"""The Justice Department says prisoners can only be detained if their support for al-Qaida or the Taliban was "substantial."""""




hey,i`m down with it... some of these guys claimed that they were just vacationing in afghanistan & were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.... you know in the middle of a fire fight.....

i`m sure the same thing happened in w.w.II to japanese civilians vactioning in the phillipines.....

it`s obvious what he wants to do...just do it up front like a real leader...take a stand... let `em go ...

/:SIB

btw..obama tapped john walker lindh`s defense attorney(the american taliban),tony west, as attorney general for the civil division in the department of justice....lol

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2205219/posts

one of several "eye opening" appointments...

/w.a.s.s.

 

[rusty]

6 1/2 the other.....like how you make it sound like the policy has changed,when in fact not just 1person should be calling the shots anyway.

Unreal,Wease,unreal...


Obama scraps use of 'enemy combatant'

ASSOCIATED PRESS

WASHINGTON ? The Obama administration is abandoning one of former U.S. president George W. Bush's key phrases in the war on terrorism: enemy combatant.

The U.S. justice department said in legal filings it will no longer use the term "enemy combatants" to justify holding prisoners at Guantanamo Bay.

But that won't change much for the detainees at the U.S. naval base in Cuba ? President Barack Obama still asserts the military's authority to hold them.

Among those being held at Guantanamo is Toronto-born Omar Khadr, who was charged with war crimes for allegedly killing an American soldier in Afghanistan in 2002 when he was 15.

Human rights attorneys said yesterday they were disappointed that Obama didn't take a new stance.

"This is really a case of old wine in new bottles," the Center for Constitutional Rights, which has been fighting the detainees' detention, said in a statement. "It is still unlawful to hold people indefinitely without charge. The men who have been held for more than seven years by our government must be charged or released."

Obama has pledged to close the prison within a year.

His administration's position on use of the phrase "enemy combatants" came in response to a deadline by U.S. District Judge John Bates, who is overseeing lawsuits of detainees challenging their detention. Bates asked the administration to give its definition of whom the United States may hold as an "enemy combatant."

The filing backs Bush's stance on the authority to hold detainees, even if they weren't captured on the battlefield in the course of hostilities. In their lawsuits, detainees argue only those who directly participated in hostilities should be held.

There are some changes in legal principles in Obama's stance. The justice department said authority to hold detainees comes from Congress and the international laws of war, not from the president's own wartime power as Bush had argued.

The department says prisoners can only be detained if their support for Al Qaeda, the Taliban or "associated forces" was "substantial." But it does not define the terms and says "circumstances justifying detention will vary from case to case."

Retired colonel Stephen Abraham, a former Guantanamo official who has since become critical of the legal process, said the change is nothing but semantics.

"To say this is a kinder, more benevolent sense of justice is absolutely false. ... The only thing they've done is try to separate themselves from the energy of the debate" by eliminating Bush's phrasing, he said.

 

[rusty]

"""The Justice Department says prisoners can only be detained if their support for al-Qaida or the Taliban was "substantial."""""




hey,i`m down with it... some of these guys claimed that they were just vacationing in afghanistan & were just in the wrong place at the wrong time.... you know in the middle of a fire fight.....

i`m sure the same thing happened in w.w.II to japanese civilians vactioning in the phillipines.....

it`s obvious what he wants to do...just do it up front like a real leader...take a stand... let `em go ...

/:SIB

btw..obama tapped john walker lindh`s defense attorney(the american taliban),tony west, as attorney general for the civil division in the department of justice....lol

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2205219/posts

one of several "eye opening" appointments...

/w.a.s.s.

I assume he was appointed,so whats your pt.
This by no means is defending West.
Just woundering where this is going?:shrug:

 

[hedgehog]

can't hold `em....
can't interrogate `em....
can't prosecute `em...
(why bother even capturing them?)

there`s a consistency here though. it`s much like energy...

can't use nuclear power...
can't drill for oil..
taxing coal out of existence...
can't drive big cars...
can`t use incandescent lightbulbs.....

/w.a.s.s....

change we can believe in:142smilie more of your government in your life telling you what to do. It pisses me off too, but what can we do about it? except vote

 

[Terryray]

Retired colonel Stephen Abraham, a former Guantanamo official who has since become critical of the legal process, said the change is nothing but semantics.

"To say this is a kinder, more benevolent sense of justice is absolutely false. ... The only thing they've done is try to separate themselves from the energy of the debate" by eliminating Bush's phrasing, he said.

To put it more succintly--Bush's policies are once more validated.

Obama hopes his verbal tricks, defining what 'is' is, will calm his leftward base.



But some of them ain't so dumb:

Justice Department Adheres To Key Elements Of Bush Administration Detention Policy (3/13/2009)

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
CONTACT: (212) 549-2666; media@aclu.org

NEW YORK ? In a court filing today, the Obama administration argued that detention of prisoners held at Guant?namo is justified even if the individual is captured far from any battlefield and has not directly participated in hostilities. According to the definition offered in the government's brief, individuals who provide "substantial" support to al-Qaeda or the Taliban can be detained.

The following can be attributed to Anthony D. Romero, Executive Director of the American Civil Liberties Union:

"It is deeply troubling that the Justice Department continues to use an overly broad interpretation of the laws of war that would permit military detention of individuals who were picked up far from an actual battlefield or who didn't engage in hostilities against the United States. Once again, the Obama administration has taken a half-step in the right direction. The Justice Department's filing leaves the door open to modifying the government's position; it is critical that the administration promptly narrow the category for individuals who can be held in military detention so that the U.S. truly comports with the laws of war and rejects the unlawful detention power of the past eight years."

 

[rusty]

To put it more succintly--Bush's policies are once more validated.

Obama hopes his verbal tricks, defining what 'is' is, will calm his leftward base.



But some of them ain't so dumb:

Justice Department Adheres To Key Elements Of Bush Administration Detention Policy (3/13/2009)

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
CONTACT: (212) 549-2666; media@aclu.org

NEW YORK ? In a court filing today, the Obama administration argued that detention of prisoners held at Guant?namo is justified even if the individual is captured far from any battlefield and has not directly participated in hostilities. According to the definition offered in the government's brief, individuals who provide "substantial" support to al-Qaeda or the Taliban can be detained.

The following can be attributed to Anthony D. Romero, Executive Director of the American Civil Liberties Union:

"It is deeply troubling that the Justice Department continues to use an overly broad interpretation of the laws of war that would permit military detention of individuals who were picked up far from an actual battlefield or who didn't engage in hostilities against the United States. Once again, the Obama administration has taken a half-step in the right direction. The Justice Department's filing leaves the door open to modifying the government's position; it is critical that the administration promptly narrow the category for individuals who can be held in military detention so that the U.S. truly comports with the laws of war and rejects the unlawful detention power of the past eight years."

Good.

 

[Spytheweb]

What do you call wall street and banking terrorists, AIG, Bear Stearns, Enron. Al-Qaeda and the Taliban won't destroy this country, it's the big businesses and greed. This country will rot from the head down.

 

[Skulnik]

What do you call wall street and banking terrorists, AIG, Bear Stearns, Enron. Al-Qaeda and the Taliban won't destroy this country, it's the big businesses and greed. This country will rot from the head down.

:moon: :moon: :moon:

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

No wonder everyone in the world hates us. Why do you think its so easy to turn a kid into a terrorist? Its morons like all of you.

 

[djv]

It,s true the enemy is gone. Did no one listen to Bush.

 

[Skulnik]

No wonder everyone in the world hates us. Why do you think its so easy to turn a kid into a terrorist? Its morons like all of you.

I agree, the Democrats just don't get it.

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

I agree, the Democrats just don't get it.

Just like the GOP. Avoid and deflect.

 

[Spytheweb]

Ex-Bush official: Many at Gitmo are innocent
He claims they've been held in case they know something important

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico - Many detainees locked up at Guantanamo were innocent men swept up by U.S. forces unable to distinguish enemies from noncombatants, a former Bush administration official said Thursday.

"There are still innocent people there," Lawrence B. Wilkerson, a Republican who was chief of staff to then-Secretary of State Colin Powell, told The Associated Press. "Some have been there six or seven years."

 

[gardenweasel]

Ex-Bush official: Many at Gitmo are innocent
He claims they've been held in case they know something important

SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico - Many detainees locked up at Guantanamo were innocent men swept up by U.S. forces unable to distinguish enemies from noncombatants, a former Bush administration official said Thursday.

"There are still innocent people there," Lawrence B. Wilkerson, a Republican who was chief of staff to then-Secretary of State Colin Powell, told The Associated Press. "Some have been there six or seven years."

speaking of enemy combatants....