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The most amusing part of this is watching O and Dodds leading the outrage--maybe they should lead by example and give their AIG bonuses back instead of wiping tears with one hand and stuffing pockets with the other :)


Senator Barack Obama received a $101,332 bonus from American International Group in the form of political contributions according to Opensecrets.org. The two biggest Congressional recipients of bonuses from the A.I.G. are - Senators Chris Dodd and Senator Barack Obama.

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Dodd should resign or be impeached. From what I understand first this guy writes legislation to protect the bonus's then he says he is outraged by it.
Dogs, do you think these crooks should get the bonus or do you just see it as the means to slap a liberal?
 

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if the democrats had allowed everyone a little time to read the goddamned bill,instead of ramming it through(the economy is righting itseld as we speak before hardly any of the stimulus has been spent),maybe someone with some sense would have spotted the stipulation that guarantees these bonuses.....

which,btw,was put in by f-cking CHRIS DODD!........


amazing.....:nooo:
 

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I've said it before on here. It always galls me to see someone getting grilled by Congress on matters of finance. Ultimate in hypocrisy. Who gets to grill these people under oath. Who investigates Congress? Its as if they are the ultimate arbiters of truth. :mj07:
 

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done

done

I am done posting in the political forum, I started coming to this website because I love to gamble on sports. This is my last post in the political forum for a while, I know most of you are bleeding heart liberals and never will agree with me.

I am banned from talking about our Mickey Mouse president at home as my wife will not let me even mention his name in her presence, since I go overboard cussing and swearing at the tv, this was my outlet. not anymore

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I am done posting in the political forum, I started coming to this website because I love to gamble on sports. This is my last post in the political forum for a while, I know most of you are bleeding heart liberals and never will agree with me.

I am banned from talking about our Mickey Mouse president at home as my wife will not let me even mention his name in her presence, since I go overboard cussing and swearing at the tv, this was my outlet. not anymore

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That's because they're the ones with the blinders on, these guys are more worried about being politically correct instead of JUST CORRECT.

JMHO.
 

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I am done posting in the political forum, I started coming to this website because I love to gamble on sports. This is my last post in the political forum for a while, I know most of you are bleeding heart liberals and never will agree with me.

I am banned from talking about our Mickey Mouse president at home as my wife will not let me even mention his name in her presence, since I go overboard cussing and swearing at the tv, this was my outlet. not anymore

:sadwave:
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Rush hedgehog -

you wonderful magnificent bastid

I am no cheater, but I have a certain love for your
wife.

see ya wouldnt want to be ya !

GO OBAMA !

CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN !
 

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I am done posting in the political forum, I started coming to this website because I love to gamble on sports. This is my last post in the political forum for a while, I know most of you are bleeding heart liberals and never will agree with me.

I am banned from talking about our Mickey Mouse president at home as my wife will not let me even mention his name in her presence, since I go overboard cussing and swearing at the tv, this was my outlet. not anymore

:sadwave:

No, please stay. You are amusing.
 

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Rush hedgehog -

you wonderful magnificent bastid

I am no cheater, but I have a certain love for your
wife.

see ya wouldnt want to be ya !

GO OBAMA !

CHANGE WE CAN BELIEVE IN !

she hates O too:toast: I just voice it
 

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The most amusing part of this is watching O and Dodds leading the outrage--maybe they should lead by example and give their AIG bonuses back instead of wiping tears with one hand and stuffing pockets with the other :)


Senator Barack Obama received a $101,332 bonus from American International Group in the form of political contributions according to Opensecrets.org. The two biggest Congressional recipients of bonuses from the A.I.G. are - Senators Chris Dodd and Senator Barack Obama.

:0corn
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thats not a bonus that was a campaign contribution under federal law.

how much did McCain and Sarah get from AIG ?

probably 10 million

you wouldnt mention that part though.

PS - hedgehogs wife said dont bother coming to dinner anymore. :142smilie
 

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I am done posting in the political forum, I started coming to this website because I love to gamble on sports. This is my last post in the political forum for a while, I know most of you are bleeding heart liberals and never will agree with me. :

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There are many conservatives who don't agree with you either. You don't even know what you're outraged and whining about most of the time. Yes, it would be good for you to take some time off.
 

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Dodd should resign or be impeached. From what I understand first this guy writes legislation to protect the bonus's then he says he is outraged by it.
Dogs, do you think these crooks should get the bonus or do you just see it as the means to slap a liberal?

Anything that is "bonus" which I deem getting extra reward for job well done--should have never even been a thought--and should be returned IMO

--However if what they call bonus is just regular commision on for lower tiered sales people--I wouldn't take it from them.

From what I can gather there is a lot of the prior and small part of those that commision was called bonus--but hard to sort out the facts.

If any received bonus that worked in the area where the credits swaps were issued -they not only should give it back--but be made to pick up trash along highways with sign on their back until loans are repaid. :)
 

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Did Dodds write in the loophole that allowed the AIG bonuses?

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of course, these bonuses add up to tiny part of the overall bailout plan--but much more easier to understand and get worked up over than credit swaps and deriviative write-downs. A perfect example of Parkinson's Law of Triviality.
 

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David Freddoso reports:

But Frank, Hodes, and 244 other congressmen ? all Democrats ? voted last month for a stimulus package that explicitly allows TARP funds to be used for such bonuses. To be precise, President Obama?s $789 billion stimulus package contained the following provision, which deals specifically with executive compensation at AIG and other companies that receive TARP money:

The prohibition required under clause (i) shall not be construed to prohibit any bonus payment required to be paid pursuant to a written employment contract executed on or before February 11, 2009, as such valid employment contracts are determined by the Secretary or the designee of the Secretary.

Rep. Ed Royce (R., Calif.) read this statutory language to the subcommittee twice during the hearing?s early-afternoon session, just in case anyone was unaware. The executive compensation loophole was not merely a holdover from President Bush?s original bailout plan. It was laid out in clear statutory language that was enacted and signed by Democrats over vigorous Republican opposition. The provision was inserted in conference committee by Senate Banking Committee chairman Christopher Dodd (D., Conn.), one of the biggest beneficiaries of political contributions from AIG employees.

As Royce noted, ?Some Democrats were aware of the bonuses, and went out of their way to protect those bonuses.? President Obama was one of them, but you would not know it from his dramatic performance on Monday, when he addressed the issue of AIG bonuses. ?I mean, how do they justify this outrage to the taxpayers who are keeping the company afloat?? Obama asked. ?This is not just a matter of dollars and cents. It?s about our fundamental values . . . excuse me, I?m choked up with anger here.?

Yet it was Obama who signed the very bill that made the rules for bonuses under TARP, and that bill clearly allowed these bonuses. Obama stumped for it all over the country ? but did he actually read it? And are politicians such as Obama, Dodd, and all the others who supported the stimulus package entitled to feign outrage when their own legislation produces easily foreseeable and undesirable results?

Rep. Scott Garrett (R., N.J.), one of the few members of the Financial Services Committee who both understands bailout legislation and has been unsparing in his criticism of it, put the question in the simplest terms: ?What I really want to say to some of the loudest critics is, ?What did you expect???

But it isn?t just a question of what they did expect. It is also a question of what they now expect. For even as the Financial Services Committee hearing was still taking place, the full House had the opportunity to vote on a measure that would stop payments to AIG until the bonus money is returned and require future bonuses at TARP-assisted firms to be approved by Treasury.

House Democrats defeated the bill with a procedural motion in a party-line vote, 221 to 182. Among those voting to block consideration of the bill were Frank, Hodes, and Rep. Gary Ackerman (D., N.Y.), who had earlier caused the entire Financial Services Committee to burst out in laughter by referring to AIG?s credit-default swaps as ?I Can't Believe It?s Not Insurance.? In fact, all but six of the 42 Democrats on the House Financial Services Committee voted to kill the no-bonus bill (four of them did not vote). Then they all went back to the hearing to question Edward Liddy, AIG?s new CEO, and express further outrage at the bonuses.

In Congress, true outrages are not intended to be remedied in realistic ways. Rather, they represent opportunities for politicians ? in this case Democrats ? to pretend outrage at their own legislation, and then to score points with populist rhetoric.
 

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I am done posting in the political forum, I started coming to this website because I love to gamble on sports. This is my last post in the political forum for a while, I know most of you are bleeding heart liberals and never will agree with me.

I am banned from talking about our Mickey Mouse president at home as my wife will not let me even mention his name in her presence, since I go overboard cussing and swearing at the tv, this was my outlet. not anymore

:sadwave:


Don't let the door hit you on the ass.
 

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THis chit started April 08. Bush/Bush/Bush we were Bushed. In fact didn,t Bush with out Congress approval give AIG 39 billion March 08.
 
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