Geithner unveils plan today.

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IMO From what I understand this may be best money spent so far--Looks like carbon copy of resolution trust that worked on savings and loan bail out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_Trust_Corporation

My question is why wasn't this on top burner instead of the social agenda's.

If they end up nixing the the healthcare/energy hoax--we might get out of this mess yet.

Yep-another trillion but will get lots of it back and may may small profit in long run like Resolution Trust--

Not in same catagory of throwing away the trillions in social programs who cost is under estimated initially and will escalate each year.
 

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Yes this program should work. AS for other items our country needs. WE can close our eyes and hope when we open them all is better. Or we can get started on some like we should have been since Reagan took office. Putting things off always cost more later. Inflation catches up.
 

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--just got home and was expecting bounce --but nothing like we got--don't know why they didn't do it at start or even back in oct for that matter.
Banking has been "the issue" for past year.
 

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William Seidman, the banking guy who headed the RTC + helped clean up the S&L problem, doesn't like the Geithner plan due to key difference with what he did.

even Krugman doesn't think it will work, and does note Geithner plan is another Bush Admin re-tread. And if it really doesn't work, maybe that's Obama's new plan on how he's gonna continue to blame the previous administration for it's troubles!

John Berlau, from the other ideological side, also agrees it won't work. Then he goes into that mark-to-market stuff Equity Trader "Varok" spoke of in his thread.

I think it will help, but not much. I can't see many investors wanting to go into it big. They make the profits Geithner hopes they will, and then there could easily be more public outcry and demogogery directed at the investors who helped everyone out. Who would want that?
 

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Terry --Believe it would have had better chance of working--had GW implemented it.

IMO the biggest hurdle it has now- is it needs privite investors to buy in--and what firm wants to partner up with a gov that is subject to tax the hell out of any profits they may make--even CNN questioning it--

http://ac360.blogs.cnn.com/2009/03/23/will-the-geithner-plan-work/

What we do know is that the Obama administration is offering extremely favorable terms to the potential investors. The government, as The New York Times reported this morning, would lend private investors nearly 95 percent of the money for an investment. (Here?s an irony: at the very moment we are trying to deleverage the economy, the government is now using the principle of leverage to revive it). Moreover, if the investment goes bad, the private investor is only on the hook for the small portion it put in originally ? not for the full amount of the purchase. Yes, the government will share in profits, but if the toxic assets go up sharply in value ? as the government hopes ? the private investor could make piles and piles of money.
Two questions immediately arise. The first is that raised by Paul Krugman, the Nobel-prize winning economist who has been slamming this plan unmercifully because he believes that Geithner has way too rosy a view of the underlying value of the assets. He thinks that investors, realizing that these assets aren?t really worth very much, won?t want to invest at the prices that the banks will insist on and the whole plan will ultimately fail. Instead, argues Krugman, the nation will waste incredibly valuable time on a flawed plan, allowing the economy to deteriorate still further, while instead we should be moving swiftly toward a government takeover of the banks, which he believes would stabilize the economy. We shall see who is right ? Geithner or Krugman.

But there is a second question lurking that really only the President and Congress can answer: that is, whether private investors can have confidence that if they do invest, the lynch mob mentality we saw last week in Washington won?t come and plague them in the future. As the managing director of a major hedge fund told me recently, if this plan is good enough, our firm stands to make money. But then why should we invest if Washington is then going to get mad, take 90% of our profits from us retroactively and if I may be hauled up before Congress and vilified? Good question.

--regardless its a short term fix--its the debt that will be the dagger through the heart.Also alluded too area of buying our own debt--discussed earlier.

Judd Gregg had good interview on Fox last night--
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,510257,00.html
 

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IMO From what I understand this may be best money spent so far--Looks like carbon copy of resolution trust that worked on savings and loan bail out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolution_Trust_Corporation

My question is why wasn't this on top burner instead of the social agenda's.

If they end up nixing the the healthcare/energy hoax--we might get out of this mess yet.

Yep-another trillion but will get lots of it back and may may small profit in long run like Resolution Trust--

Not in same catagory of throwing away the trillions in social programs who cost is under estimated initially and will escalate each year.

do you include health care as a social agenda ? tell it to all the working Americans that have lost it and all that are taking pay cuts because of it... for get all those that have lost their jobs because of the cost of it...the cost of ins ,of all types has put many Americans out of work....ins companies are propped up by government mandates & EXTORT WORKING PEOPLE IN AMERICA ... HOW MANY OF US KNOW SOMEONE THAT HAS BEEN DENIED A CLAIN VS BEING PAYED ON A CLAIM ???? You can't get more socialistic than ins... I don't think most American would agree that there is a HC energy hoax, when they look at how much of what they earn goes to pay for both.. The redistribution of American wealth to energy companies and HC companies is socialist in every way. Is there a company that does business in America that gets more help from government, couldn't exist with out the help of the American tax payers than Exxon ? Funny how some capialist, love their brand of socialism !`
 

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do you include health care as a social agenda ? tell it to all the working Americans that have lost it and all that are taking pay cuts because of it... for get all those that have lost their jobs because of the cost of it...the cost of ins ,of all types has put many Americans out of work....ins companies are propped up by government mandates & EXTORT WORKING PEOPLE IN AMERICA ... HOW MANY OF US KNOW SOMEONE THAT HAS BEEN DENIED A CLAIN VS BEING PAYED ON A CLAIM ???? You can't get more socialistic than ins... I don't think most American would agree that there is a HC energy hoax, when they look at how much of what they earn goes to pay for both.. The redistribution of American wealth to energy companies and HC companies is socialist in every way. Is there a company that does business in America that gets more help from government, couldn't exist with out the help of the American tax payers than Exxon ? Funny how some capialist, love their brand of socialism !`

tell me I'm wrong & tell me why ... anyone .. HEDGE ???
 
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