Run and Shoot
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Date not withstanding, are your really the person for the job if you are coming here for an offensive philosophy/scheme. I am sure he has since lost his job, but my advice to anyone in his situation would be to do what your personell allows. Some schools have enough athletes for the spread it out game, while most do not. Bottom line is the most difficult thing to defend in football is still a well executed triple option. Not really a fan, but far more teams that try the goofy shit would be better off just runing the triple. I have known many a coach that tried to force round players into square playbooks and it just dont work. GL
No dice silentone
He said that I had the only copy then asked me if I lost it - Of course I said no, it's just misplaced - If I happen upon it - I'll post it
The short and sweet of it - our style - After one play you have to know what kind of defense they are running - man or zone, cover 1 or cover 2, how many they are rushing - basic stuff - I'd say most of the time we saw man, cover 2 with 2 guys rushing (7 man team) We ran zone, cover 2 halves with 2 guys rushing. 2-3-2
Most teams focus on the 7 - 10 yard pass - so we shade the inside on the corners, let them go deep if they wanted but take away the slant - told the rushers not to jump (how many blocked passes do you see) but get to the QB and pull the damn flag. Contain and collapse. Put our best athlete at mlb and he got the most action. Most of the Qb's were not good enough to throw a good out route so the corners didnt have much to do other than take away the slant. Interception leaders were the Safeties who had one responsibility - dont let anyone behind you. Nice and simple.
Offensively - We broke the norm and ran zone read. Shotgun 1RB, 2 WR, C, 2 TE. Had to have 4 men on the line. Although we started every game with a play involving a wideout in motion (checking the defenses reaction)and a pass, we'd quickly change it into a running game. Nothing fancy - straight zone read looking for 5 yards and a cloud of dust. Those two rushers were either coming tight or wide and the read was based off of the TE angle. He would give you 45 degrees either in or out. He would try to jab step wide to open up the outside and the usual reaction on the next play was for the DL to line up wider. So we'd run the same play but cut it up inside. We'd also run the sprint option out of this formation. Running the ball is not utilized as much as it should be in this game.
Plus it opens up real play action - nothing like seeing a team that hasn't run the ball fake a handoff. With us running the ball as much as we did it would open up double moves and allows more time to find seams. Both the QB and RB played QB in high school so we could open up the passing game after the hand off as well.
My favorite formation that we never quite got down was a hybrid pistol/wishbone formation. With 4 guys on the line we had to have the QB assume the FB position of the bone with a left and right tailback. It was quasi-pistol because the QB only lined up about 2 yards behind the center. We could run a RB out in motion and that put us in the true pistol formation. We'd run veer and triple option out of this formation with a dive back and pitch man. There's just not enough people to run this formation. The MLB cheats up too much taking away 30 base.
Open field tackling - break down - let them juke and jive - break down and they'll run right into you
Blitzing - Bringing 3 - Hardly ever with us but QB's that would sprint out - we'd call CB blitz and slide the S down to take away the dump and move to cover 1
Learning plays - We drew the plays on notecards and the QB kept it in his shorts - it just made it easier for understanding routes in the huddle. Nickname plays- 1 back hb qb throwback pass on one on one - Script your plays and come out and stick to your script - even if its just 5 -10 plays
TE dump - eliminates a good rush
Lots of other basic stuff - spread the field, run north and south, run through tackles and wait for the whistle to blow. Nothing worse than the guy who thought he was down stopping.
if your guys are poised - change the snap count - if you are consistent with it - it will slow down a rush
Come up with audibles - an easy one to teach - our 9 route audible (fly) was correct first name wrong last name - so if we had 3 WR's I'd call out Jeff Witt, Tracy Dees, Chris Wren - Tracy's last name was Hill so he'd change his route to a fly
wrong first name, correct last name was a 0 route - hitch
Whatever audible you want above but the QB needs the ability to read and change the play
That's gotta be enough for tonight - Good luck with the league - keep me updated - obviously you can tell i love this shit - last piece of advice - get someone to videotape your games - A. We always celebrated a victory with cocktails and a show. B. You can study film and learn what to watch for in games
good luck :mj06:
Excellent post man- that was really informative.
Was your league co-ed? Mine actually is, so some of the rules are a bit different. We ended up losing the first game 14-16. As on offense, we were not prepared to face man coverage. For some reason, we practiced mostly against zone (cover 2).
The few thing learned from the game:
We need to practice our defense a lot more- especially goaline defense. It seemed like our offense was more efficient than the defense. We need to practice the extra point conversions and try to get the females involved more, as their conversions are worth twice as much as a male's conversion. We need to stop the running qb!
I liked your comment on teams not "rushing enough". I was telling one of my teammates that we should run the ball more from the 20 to the 20. This is something that we will practice on Saturday with the speed option, WR pitch, counter and traps.
0-1... with a pending game on Sunday!
Was your league co-ed? Mine actually is, so some of the rules are a bit different. We ended up losing the first game 14-16. As on offense, we were not prepared to face man coverage. For some reason, we practiced mostly against zone (cover 2).
The few thing learned from the game:
We need to practice our defense a lot more- especially goaline defense. It seemed like our offense was more efficient than the defense. We need to practice the extra point conversions and try to get the females involved more, as their conversions are worth twice as much as a male's conversion. We need to stop the running qb!
I liked your comment on teams not "rushing enough". I was telling one of my teammates that we should run the ball more from the 20 to the 20. This is something that we will practice on Saturday with the speed option, WR pitch, counter and traps.
0-1... with a pending game on Sunday!
We played in a men's league but I did watch some of the coed for nefarious reasons. (That's for you G-weas) I think coed is 8 players - is that correct? it's a harder game to play in my opinion because your strengths and weaknesses have a larger standard deviation.
when you get a chance shoot me the breakdown, guys and gals and how many people have to be on the line - i'm assuming 8 and 5 in this response
other assumptions - most teams run
guys at
QB
2 wideouts
and either C, RB or TE
On stopping the running QB - was he getting outside of your DE's or would he head up the middle - For the most part contain and collapse worked well - DE's come up the field about 6 yards then pinch to the inside (back to the basics - on angles tell them to head to the front shoulder not back shoulder) First responsibility - don't let the QB outside of the pocket. That should help slow down the running QB if he was getting outside of the D ends and they can adjust their splits to help create the angle
If he was running both outside and inside - I would look at going with a 2-4-1 (2-4-2 if it's 8 players) and have your D ends split out a little wider to cut the angle off to the outside - your two LB's then could run a soft zone up the middle and if one had to come up on the QB you are not left exposed to the TE dump - gotta tell your LB's to tackle the QB not block his pass.
Thought of another idea - try a 3-4-1. 1 guy DL - nose guard - rushing up the middle - 2 girls at DE - wider splits (6 yards left and right of the ball) - the nose guard rushing up the middle will move the QB one directions or the other - the two girls can move up the field to cut off the angle - they might not be the sack machines you want but they will disrupt the play. That leaves 3 guys and 2 girls for the other positions - if they run split guys at wideout i'd put 2 guys at CB and leave 2 girls at LB with your safety being your last guy. He's all alone back there but you shouldnt have to worry much about precisely thrown deep balls if your nose guard can get to the QB quickly. I would have a guy on the bench to come in for the nose guard for fatigue reasons. That position is the vital cog in this defensive scheme and i'd look at putting one of my best athletes at this position.
Getting the girls some action - I'm sure you are all over the TE dump for this - If it was me - I would look at running (two guys) twins right which should get two defensive guys on one side of the hash - make sure your split end is about 3 yards from OB and your other flanker is tight with him spreading 2 of their guys as far away from the ball as possible. (if they dont run two guys out there you have a mismatch) I'd have a strong left formation with my four girls - big splits - about 4 yards apart - TE 2 Guards, and a center
Guy QB and a Guy RB - Send your RB in motion to the left and have him head to the other OB trying to draw another one of their guys as far away from the ball - should look something like this
Girls - TE, LG, C, RG
Guys - QB, RB, FL, WR
pre snap (i'd actually have the flanker off of the line but my fancy graphics make it more difficult)
|_____________________TE____LG___C___RG_________________FL__WR|
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|________________________________QB__RB________________________|
after the motion
|_____________________TE____LG___C___RG_________________FL__WR|
|--RB-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|________________________________QB____________________________|
Now you just have to make your read which all depends on what they do with their 4th guy -
If they are rushing 2 girls you can set up some crossing routes with your girls (i'm also assuming everyones an elgible receiver) but im not a big fan of the crossing route - instead i'd run spread curls with my girls 4-6 yards (TE angles this direction \ and RG this direction /) LG and center do the same - let both rushers come free and you should have a 4 on 3 advantage with one of the easier passes to make and only one guy there to disrupt the play
your guys can sip latte's why the girls tear it up - if you've got man coverage on the WR and RB you can look at taking a home run shot down the outside knowing the FS won't be able to help but lots of times the CB plays about 7 yards off the line which isnt the best scenario for running the fly
instead dink and dunk their ass to death with your girls
your QB should be able to run out of this formation as well
Goal line defense - It's tough in flag football - Some things to think about - always take inside position and make the QB throw over your defender - i'd say two yards off the defender and a yard and a half inside. standard bump and run here - if that guy has a slant called in the huddle he has to figure out how he's going to run it when you are standing right in his way - instead he'll want to run the fade which you are already turned to run with him - now if the QB puts the ball in there perfectly - that's just part of the game but most of the time that does not happen.
gotta get pressure on the qb as well - bring the guy nose guard hard up the middle and try to force a right handed QB to roll to his left and the girl DE's have to do their best at stopping the outside move from the QB - i wouldnt have them cheat their splits as wide. now the hard part is taking away the dump - this really all depends on the pressure your Nose guard gets - if he can force a QB to his left and the DE can come up and force to throw the ball - you might be able to stay in a zone type defense that extends to the back of the chalk but most likely you will have to man up here. bump and run and hope the QB floats his pass while scrambling left
One last thought and my final chance to show off the graphics skillz
when teams run twins with two guys to one side you should only need one guy to cover them - take away the slant with your guy and position a girl off the line the area that you would see a 7-10 yard curl - you should have FS help for anyone going deep
half the field below - Your Nose guard has to know when they have a male twin formation and force the QB to roll the opposite direction
MFS- Male free safety - shades to take away the deep ball
FCB - Female Corner back - she just camps out
MCB - Male corner back - has the slant or if they cross - has to go with the guy back to the inside
MNG - Male Nose guard
FDE - Female Defensive end - get up the field
____________MFS
_
_______________________FCB
_
_______________MCB
__MNG_FDE
C__TE______________FL______WR
_
QB
Good luck man - enjoy talking about this stuff - go get em on sunday
You can tell that I'm anti jumping to block a pass and you have to get your nose guard to understand this (his role is to get to the QB asap) - In the NFL - blocked passes come from guys getting owned at the line of scrimmage who manage to get their hands up - the guys that run free lay out the QB even if he throws the ball - in flag football you are always running free so dont jump - just grab the flag
when you get a chance shoot me the breakdown, guys and gals and how many people have to be on the line - i'm assuming 8 and 5 in this response
other assumptions - most teams run
guys at
QB
2 wideouts
and either C, RB or TE
On stopping the running QB - was he getting outside of your DE's or would he head up the middle - For the most part contain and collapse worked well - DE's come up the field about 6 yards then pinch to the inside (back to the basics - on angles tell them to head to the front shoulder not back shoulder) First responsibility - don't let the QB outside of the pocket. That should help slow down the running QB if he was getting outside of the D ends and they can adjust their splits to help create the angle
If he was running both outside and inside - I would look at going with a 2-4-1 (2-4-2 if it's 8 players) and have your D ends split out a little wider to cut the angle off to the outside - your two LB's then could run a soft zone up the middle and if one had to come up on the QB you are not left exposed to the TE dump - gotta tell your LB's to tackle the QB not block his pass.
Thought of another idea - try a 3-4-1. 1 guy DL - nose guard - rushing up the middle - 2 girls at DE - wider splits (6 yards left and right of the ball) - the nose guard rushing up the middle will move the QB one directions or the other - the two girls can move up the field to cut off the angle - they might not be the sack machines you want but they will disrupt the play. That leaves 3 guys and 2 girls for the other positions - if they run split guys at wideout i'd put 2 guys at CB and leave 2 girls at LB with your safety being your last guy. He's all alone back there but you shouldnt have to worry much about precisely thrown deep balls if your nose guard can get to the QB quickly. I would have a guy on the bench to come in for the nose guard for fatigue reasons. That position is the vital cog in this defensive scheme and i'd look at putting one of my best athletes at this position.
Getting the girls some action - I'm sure you are all over the TE dump for this - If it was me - I would look at running (two guys) twins right which should get two defensive guys on one side of the hash - make sure your split end is about 3 yards from OB and your other flanker is tight with him spreading 2 of their guys as far away from the ball as possible. (if they dont run two guys out there you have a mismatch) I'd have a strong left formation with my four girls - big splits - about 4 yards apart - TE 2 Guards, and a center
Guy QB and a Guy RB - Send your RB in motion to the left and have him head to the other OB trying to draw another one of their guys as far away from the ball - should look something like this
Girls - TE, LG, C, RG
Guys - QB, RB, FL, WR
pre snap (i'd actually have the flanker off of the line but my fancy graphics make it more difficult)
|_____________________TE____LG___C___RG_________________FL__WR|
|----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|________________________________QB__RB________________________|
after the motion
|_____________________TE____LG___C___RG_________________FL__WR|
|--RB-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------|
|________________________________QB____________________________|
Now you just have to make your read which all depends on what they do with their 4th guy -
If they are rushing 2 girls you can set up some crossing routes with your girls (i'm also assuming everyones an elgible receiver) but im not a big fan of the crossing route - instead i'd run spread curls with my girls 4-6 yards (TE angles this direction \ and RG this direction /) LG and center do the same - let both rushers come free and you should have a 4 on 3 advantage with one of the easier passes to make and only one guy there to disrupt the play
your guys can sip latte's why the girls tear it up - if you've got man coverage on the WR and RB you can look at taking a home run shot down the outside knowing the FS won't be able to help but lots of times the CB plays about 7 yards off the line which isnt the best scenario for running the fly
instead dink and dunk their ass to death with your girls
your QB should be able to run out of this formation as well
Goal line defense - It's tough in flag football - Some things to think about - always take inside position and make the QB throw over your defender - i'd say two yards off the defender and a yard and a half inside. standard bump and run here - if that guy has a slant called in the huddle he has to figure out how he's going to run it when you are standing right in his way - instead he'll want to run the fade which you are already turned to run with him - now if the QB puts the ball in there perfectly - that's just part of the game but most of the time that does not happen.
gotta get pressure on the qb as well - bring the guy nose guard hard up the middle and try to force a right handed QB to roll to his left and the girl DE's have to do their best at stopping the outside move from the QB - i wouldnt have them cheat their splits as wide. now the hard part is taking away the dump - this really all depends on the pressure your Nose guard gets - if he can force a QB to his left and the DE can come up and force to throw the ball - you might be able to stay in a zone type defense that extends to the back of the chalk but most likely you will have to man up here. bump and run and hope the QB floats his pass while scrambling left
One last thought and my final chance to show off the graphics skillz
when teams run twins with two guys to one side you should only need one guy to cover them - take away the slant with your guy and position a girl off the line the area that you would see a 7-10 yard curl - you should have FS help for anyone going deep
half the field below - Your Nose guard has to know when they have a male twin formation and force the QB to roll the opposite direction
MFS- Male free safety - shades to take away the deep ball
FCB - Female Corner back - she just camps out
MCB - Male corner back - has the slant or if they cross - has to go with the guy back to the inside
MNG - Male Nose guard
FDE - Female Defensive end - get up the field
____________MFS
_
_______________________FCB
_
_______________MCB
__MNG_FDE
C__TE______________FL______WR
_
QB
Good luck man - enjoy talking about this stuff - go get em on sunday
You can tell that I'm anti jumping to block a pass and you have to get your nose guard to understand this (his role is to get to the QB asap) - In the NFL - blocked passes come from guys getting owned at the line of scrimmage who manage to get their hands up - the guys that run free lay out the QB even if he throws the ball - in flag football you are always running free so dont jump - just grab the flag
Wow, loved it!
Your assumption is correct; our league is 8 on 8. However, only 3 girls have to be on the field at a time (so 5 guys maximum).
It's interesting you bring up the one Noseguard approach, because this EXACTLY what I was thinking of incorporating. The females just were not generating enough pressure. It's bad enough that you have to stand 5 yards away from the center before the snap.
I like the dump off technique to the females, but this how the defense adjusted. They went pure man, and would "bnr" the linemen. The defense can stand within 5 yards of the center, but they cannot rush. So, they would just get in the linemen/women's way.
I've been dabbling with the run and shoot and I'm trying to see if something like the following would work.
|WR_________________________LG___C______________ _________WR|
|-------FL------------------------------------------------------------------FL------|
|____________________________RB__QB___________ _____________|
As you see only 4 players need to be on the line before snapping. Here I would like to dabble with a little speed option and some FL or WR running plays. We have one decent girl, so we make her one of the WRs.
I will definitely incorporate your formations into the gameplan.
Defending the running QB: This is what killed us the most. We must teach the female DES to contain. They would get so anxious and start to run towards the QB, creating the running lanes for the QB. This would then create pressure on the CB to have to come up, vacating his zone, leaving the WR open. Priority number 1 for Saturday's practice will be to CONTAIN the qb. The dline has to work as one unit, and we will try to teach this.
Your assumption is correct; our league is 8 on 8. However, only 3 girls have to be on the field at a time (so 5 guys maximum).
It's interesting you bring up the one Noseguard approach, because this EXACTLY what I was thinking of incorporating. The females just were not generating enough pressure. It's bad enough that you have to stand 5 yards away from the center before the snap.
I like the dump off technique to the females, but this how the defense adjusted. They went pure man, and would "bnr" the linemen. The defense can stand within 5 yards of the center, but they cannot rush. So, they would just get in the linemen/women's way.
I've been dabbling with the run and shoot and I'm trying to see if something like the following would work.
|WR_________________________LG___C______________ _________WR|
|-------FL------------------------------------------------------------------FL------|
|____________________________RB__QB___________ _____________|
As you see only 4 players need to be on the line before snapping. Here I would like to dabble with a little speed option and some FL or WR running plays. We have one decent girl, so we make her one of the WRs.
I will definitely incorporate your formations into the gameplan.
Defending the running QB: This is what killed us the most. We must teach the female DES to contain. They would get so anxious and start to run towards the QB, creating the running lanes for the QB. This would then create pressure on the CB to have to come up, vacating his zone, leaving the WR open. Priority number 1 for Saturday's practice will be to CONTAIN the qb. The dline has to work as one unit, and we will try to teach this.
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Looks like we will will have a rainy game for sunday!
Not sure who this will affect the offense and defenses for now.
Not sure who this will affect the offense and defenses for now.
have a good practice tomorrow and will check in on monday to see how the game went sunday
good luck
good luck
We didn't LOSE! :00hour
.....because we didn't play! The games were canceled due to the field conditions. It had rained all of Saturday, and I guess they did not want us playing in a swamp field..... booo!
Practice is running smoother.
We will have to wait another long week before getting the game-day jitters.
.....because we didn't play! The games were canceled due to the field conditions. It had rained all of Saturday, and I guess they did not want us playing in a swamp field..... booo!
Practice is running smoother.
We will have to wait another long week before getting the game-day jitters.
Damn - you made me uncork the champagne
Dont worry it was the cheap stuff
Sorry you missed out on the wet T-shirt contest or a little girl on girl mud wrastlin. That would have been entertaining
Glad to hear practice is running well - been thinking about y'alls setup for a few days
a couple of more questions
80 yard field? - 15 or 20 yards for a 1st down?
are there any rules that every other play a girl has to be used? it was called open/closed plays in intramurals. if you start the game with a pass to a guy from a guy then the next play had to involve a girl. pass to a girl from a guy or pass from a guy to a girl before you could have another guy to guy connection (lots of same sex marriage jokes running through madjacker heads right now)
Point after try from the 3, 5, 10 yard line?
20 minute halves?
1 point for a guy, 2 points for a girl getting in on an xp try? - what if the girl threw the pass? does the defense have to start 5 yards back on xp's.
what about td's - 6 points regardless of guy or girl?
The interesting one for me is the 5 yards off the line for the defense. When I played it was just shy of a yard which meant you could get in to the back field pretty quickly. 5 yards is long damn way and its got to be almost impossible to get up the field fast enough to not let a QB/RB get outside. I'd run student body left and right with a dump off valve just like you see in the pros. Take a pitch man with you and you've got your triple option. That would also setup the across the field deep post when the safties started cheating up for the run.
Depending on the 1st and ? situation (also assuming its 4 downs) I've got to imagine that running the ball out of a wide trips/twins formation has to be one of the easy ways to march the ball down the field - especially if the other team lines up with girls rushing. so I'd have a girl center, a girl left with a guy in twin formation, and a girl right with two other guys running trips. Then the guy QB and RB could run directly at the girl rusher which you should be able to get by and make your pitch read off of which ever guy comes up to take on the qb. It would be boring flag football but I just dont see how that can be defended without giving up 5 yards.
like this
|:SIB kurby _____________kurby _____________kurby :SIB :SIB|
|-----------------------------------------------------------|
|___________________:SIB :SIB __________________|
almost too simple - or run the twins formation with two girls and just head that way on the snap. I'd call that formation circle jerk right - you got a bunch of guys huddled on one side why the girls are on the other.
|kurby kurby _____________kurby _____________:jerkit: :jerkit: :jerkit: |
|----------------------------------------------------------------|
|___________________:SIB :SIB _____________________|
Best of luck :director: - I'll keep checking in to see how things are going
take care
Dont worry it was the cheap stuff
Sorry you missed out on the wet T-shirt contest or a little girl on girl mud wrastlin. That would have been entertaining
Glad to hear practice is running well - been thinking about y'alls setup for a few days
a couple of more questions
80 yard field? - 15 or 20 yards for a 1st down?
are there any rules that every other play a girl has to be used? it was called open/closed plays in intramurals. if you start the game with a pass to a guy from a guy then the next play had to involve a girl. pass to a girl from a guy or pass from a guy to a girl before you could have another guy to guy connection (lots of same sex marriage jokes running through madjacker heads right now)
Point after try from the 3, 5, 10 yard line?
20 minute halves?
1 point for a guy, 2 points for a girl getting in on an xp try? - what if the girl threw the pass? does the defense have to start 5 yards back on xp's.
what about td's - 6 points regardless of guy or girl?
The interesting one for me is the 5 yards off the line for the defense. When I played it was just shy of a yard which meant you could get in to the back field pretty quickly. 5 yards is long damn way and its got to be almost impossible to get up the field fast enough to not let a QB/RB get outside. I'd run student body left and right with a dump off valve just like you see in the pros. Take a pitch man with you and you've got your triple option. That would also setup the across the field deep post when the safties started cheating up for the run.
Depending on the 1st and ? situation (also assuming its 4 downs) I've got to imagine that running the ball out of a wide trips/twins formation has to be one of the easy ways to march the ball down the field - especially if the other team lines up with girls rushing. so I'd have a girl center, a girl left with a guy in twin formation, and a girl right with two other guys running trips. Then the guy QB and RB could run directly at the girl rusher which you should be able to get by and make your pitch read off of which ever guy comes up to take on the qb. It would be boring flag football but I just dont see how that can be defended without giving up 5 yards.
like this
|:SIB kurby _____________kurby _____________kurby :SIB :SIB|
|-----------------------------------------------------------|
|___________________:SIB :SIB __________________|
almost too simple - or run the twins formation with two girls and just head that way on the snap. I'd call that formation circle jerk right - you got a bunch of guys huddled on one side why the girls are on the other.
|kurby kurby _____________kurby _____________:jerkit: :jerkit: :jerkit: |
|----------------------------------------------------------------|
|___________________:SIB :SIB _____________________|
Best of luck :director: - I'll keep checking in to see how things are going
take care
Haha, loved the kirbys as women! Was that you calling them .... fat!
Okay, let me start by answering the questions.
The field is 60 yards long. It's field is marked in the following way.
Goaline----20 ----20----Goaline.
The field is marked permanently. So you get a first down every time you cross the the 20 yard line.
You start with the ball at the 10 yard line.
So, if you're first play is 15 yards, then you'd only need 15 more yards for the second first down, etc.
I guess an interesting thing to do would be to get 9 yards on your first series of plays, so that the next play cuts into those "20 yards" even more for the second first down. Does that make sense?
To put it simple: You can NOT have only guys involved on 3 consecutive play. They like to call it a "gender" play kurby. So every 3rd play you have a forced girl play--or closed. The one bad thing about closed plays, is that the defense also knows this. They attack this by manning up on the girls, and playing "bnr". So unless you have beasts gals, we don't, it is pretty much a loss of down. I'm thinking the key is to use the girls BEFORE it's a closed play. Another thing- the girl doesn't have to actually catch the pass. It just has to be intended for her, for the next series to be open again.
1pt conversion from the 5 yard line.
It is a 2 pt conversion if a kurby is involved
2pt conversion from the 10 yard line.
It is a 4 pt conversion if a kurby is involved.
1xp, 2 for a girl from the 5 yard line.
2 xp, 4 for a guy from the 10 yard line.
A girl throwing the ball is the same as her catching it, so yes, that counts as a female score. The defense always needs to start 5 yards back unless you are snapping from the goaline, in which case the defense stays at the goaline, and the QB must be 5 yards behind center if he/she plans on qb sneaking.
Girl tds are worth 8 pts (thrown or caught by a girl, or lateraled to one)
Guy tds are worth 6 pts.
So, the most points you can come away with in one possesssion is 12 pts. 8 for a girl td, and 4 for a "2" point conversion from the 10 yard line.
It's even further when you account for the fact that the QB is in shotgun. What is that? An additional 5 yards? So the rushers are 7-8 yards yards away from the QB before the ball is snapped.
Okay, let me start by answering the questions.
The field is 60 yards long. It's field is marked in the following way.
Goaline----20 ----20----Goaline.
The field is marked permanently. So you get a first down every time you cross the the 20 yard line.
You start with the ball at the 10 yard line.
So, if you're first play is 15 yards, then you'd only need 15 more yards for the second first down, etc.
I guess an interesting thing to do would be to get 9 yards on your first series of plays, so that the next play cuts into those "20 yards" even more for the second first down. Does that make sense?
To put it simple: You can NOT have only guys involved on 3 consecutive play. They like to call it a "gender" play kurby. So every 3rd play you have a forced girl play--or closed. The one bad thing about closed plays, is that the defense also knows this. They attack this by manning up on the girls, and playing "bnr". So unless you have beasts gals, we don't, it is pretty much a loss of down. I'm thinking the key is to use the girls BEFORE it's a closed play. Another thing- the girl doesn't have to actually catch the pass. It just has to be intended for her, for the next series to be open again.
1pt conversion from the 5 yard line.
It is a 2 pt conversion if a kurby is involved
2pt conversion from the 10 yard line.
It is a 4 pt conversion if a kurby is involved.
Yep, and two timeouts for the WHOLE game.
1xp, 2 for a girl from the 5 yard line.
2 xp, 4 for a guy from the 10 yard line.
A girl throwing the ball is the same as her catching it, so yes, that counts as a female score. The defense always needs to start 5 yards back unless you are snapping from the goaline, in which case the defense stays at the goaline, and the QB must be 5 yards behind center if he/she plans on qb sneaking.
Girl tds are worth 8 pts (thrown or caught by a girl, or lateraled to one)
Guy tds are worth 6 pts.
So, the most points you can come away with in one possesssion is 12 pts. 8 for a girl td, and 4 for a "2" point conversion from the 10 yard line.
I agree, it's far! But it's actually called a 5 pace marker. More like 3 yards. They are huge paces, because they used the markings on the field to determine the rush line.
It's even further when you account for the fact that the QB is in shotgun. What is that? An additional 5 yards? So the rushers are 7-8 yards yards away from the QB before the ball is snapped.
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It was either kurby or :kiss:
and don't forget the college crede - big girls need love too
Thanks for filling me in on all of those questions - I have a little better understanding of the game. It did lead to three more questions and the 1st one is kind of a doozy -
If a girl takes the snap at QB, laterals to a guy who then completes a pass to a guy does this count as a girl being involved in the play.
The 2nd question is along the same lines with having a girl as the pitch wo-man on the sprint option. if you pitch to her (or vice versa if she is the QB) does that pitch constitute involving a girl as far as open/closed plays are concerned.
Last question - If you are on a down that a girl has to be involved, does that mean that a guy QB can not cross the line of scrimmage if forced out of the pocket.
First thing that came to mind on a gender down is to line up a girl at QB - send a flanker in motion and run a shovel pass to him. Then he and the RB can run the option after the completed pass.
The 5 paces makes since now. ~3 yards - so not nose to nose but also not 15 fifteen away. If you have options on your shotgun formation - when you do run the sprint option I would cheat up to about 3 yards with your QB - you want to get to and past the first female defender as quickly as possible.
If the defense jumps into the neutral zone on a hard count is the play immediately dead? or do they have time to get back?
I'm not sure if your center is good enough for this but you could at least give it a shot in practice - send one of your guy flankers in motion about 3 yards deep coming back across the field and have a silent direct snap to the motion guy - your RB would have a little wider split to help cheat to get outside to be the pitch man - We ran this with some success but the truth is the risk reward is skewed with this play. We would run this when I was having a hard time getting past the DE. The motion guy was already moving and it was a silent snap which gave him about 2 extra steps when performed correctly - when it went to shit - the ball hit the ground and we lost 3-5 yards on the dead ball fumble.
That's another thing to look for on your read - at QB look at the rushers and check and see if they are watching you or the ball - this is intramurals so they probably have their eye on you - give them a little Brett Favre cadence and shoulder shrug when you need 5 free yards.
Our zone read offense wouldnt work to well with the defense being that far back. I like your sprint option take a lot better.
and don't forget the college crede - big girls need love too
Thanks for filling me in on all of those questions - I have a little better understanding of the game. It did lead to three more questions and the 1st one is kind of a doozy -
If a girl takes the snap at QB, laterals to a guy who then completes a pass to a guy does this count as a girl being involved in the play.
The 2nd question is along the same lines with having a girl as the pitch wo-man on the sprint option. if you pitch to her (or vice versa if she is the QB) does that pitch constitute involving a girl as far as open/closed plays are concerned.
Last question - If you are on a down that a girl has to be involved, does that mean that a guy QB can not cross the line of scrimmage if forced out of the pocket.
First thing that came to mind on a gender down is to line up a girl at QB - send a flanker in motion and run a shovel pass to him. Then he and the RB can run the option after the completed pass.
The 5 paces makes since now. ~3 yards - so not nose to nose but also not 15 fifteen away. If you have options on your shotgun formation - when you do run the sprint option I would cheat up to about 3 yards with your QB - you want to get to and past the first female defender as quickly as possible.
If the defense jumps into the neutral zone on a hard count is the play immediately dead? or do they have time to get back?
I'm not sure if your center is good enough for this but you could at least give it a shot in practice - send one of your guy flankers in motion about 3 yards deep coming back across the field and have a silent direct snap to the motion guy - your RB would have a little wider split to help cheat to get outside to be the pitch man - We ran this with some success but the truth is the risk reward is skewed with this play. We would run this when I was having a hard time getting past the DE. The motion guy was already moving and it was a silent snap which gave him about 2 extra steps when performed correctly - when it went to shit - the ball hit the ground and we lost 3-5 yards on the dead ball fumble.
That's another thing to look for on your read - at QB look at the rushers and check and see if they are watching you or the ball - this is intramurals so they probably have their eye on you - give them a little Brett Favre cadence and shoulder shrug when you need 5 free yards.
Our zone read offense wouldnt work to well with the defense being that far back. I like your sprint option take a lot better.
I wish, but I think the answer is no. Per the rules "Receives the snap as the QB and scrambles past the line of scrimmage or attempts to pass the ball forward." I don't think that will work because the lateral is not a forward pass.
It will NOT count as a girl play if you pitch it to her after the line of scrimmage (LOS).
It will NOT count as a girl play if she is a QB and pitches to a male RB before the LOS.
It WILL count as a girl play if she crosses the LOS as a QB or RB.
Spot on!
This sounds like a good one. Is the pass behind or beyond the LOS? The only downside would be if it's a pass behind the LOS and the guy WR drops the pass--> This would lead to the next play being closed again, because the pass was behind the LOS.
Another way to run the option would be using the other wr instead of rb, to get that first pass beyond the LOS.
Defenders are allowed to step within the 5 yard rush line, but they are not allowed to rush the QB. So, the defenders who jumped the rush line would not be allowed to rush after the snap. (5 yard flag if they do rush after crossing the rush line).
Sadly they took away the silent snap and we can not snap to a RB or WR. Boooo.... takes away our creativity!! :thefinger
We should start working on the cadence. Sometimes we will go on "rdy", "set" "go" or "go" (the second time). We just have to practice it so that WE don't get a false start penalty.
Slowly but surely we are creating something here, baby! :00hour
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Appreciate you taking the time to answer all of those questions.
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At the 1:42 mark above - The girls are lined up at both TE's and at RB - Guy at Center - Doubles left with flanker in motion - Guy WR split right and guy QB
The snap is directly to the girl who catches the ball and two hand passes to the girl right TE who took one step past the LOS - She catches it and two hand lateral back to the guy QB who now runs the option to the left with the WR from the right hand side
I like the basketball two hand approach.
I didnt spend much time on youtube but there does appear to be quite a bit of flag football video on there.
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At the 1:42 mark above - The girls are lined up at both TE's and at RB - Guy at Center - Doubles left with flanker in motion - Guy WR split right and guy QB
The snap is directly to the girl who catches the ball and two hand passes to the girl right TE who took one step past the LOS - She catches it and two hand lateral back to the guy QB who now runs the option to the left with the WR from the right hand side
I like the basketball two hand approach.
I didnt spend much time on youtube but there does appear to be quite a bit of flag football video on there.
Yeah, I've been a fan of that youtube video for a while. The only downside is if the guy ends up fumbling the ball behind the LOS. In which case, the next play would also be closed.
In fact we tried a variation of this during our first game, and the guy (or bad lateral) ended up fumbling the ball. That was a big drive killer! :scared
We will have to practice these sort of "gadget" plays a lot more in practice to run them smoother.
In fact we tried a variation of this during our first game, and the guy (or bad lateral) ended up fumbling the ball. That was a big drive killer! :scared
We will have to practice these sort of "gadget" plays a lot more in practice to run them smoother.
I hear ya - A lot has to go right on that play.
I probably won't be back on til late Sunday night - Best of Luck this weekend
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I probably won't be back on til late Sunday night - Best of Luck this weekend
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Aye aye aye aye......the PAIN! :sadwave:
We ended up losing 8-15 as we threw an interception with 30 seconds left in the game.
The qb (me) hurt his elbow so we had to start another qb for the second half. We did the best we could, but it's a different beast when you see the rushers coming at you. So, it took a drive for the backup qb to get used to the speed of the game.
We have a bye this week and play again in 2 weeks.
Our defense played great, as the offense turned the ball over 4 times in their own territory (yet only allowed 15).
We may only start playing people who SHOW UP to practice. It's too annoying explaining the offense ON gameday if you haven't been to practice.
We ended up losing 8-15 as we threw an interception with 30 seconds left in the game.
The qb (me) hurt his elbow so we had to start another qb for the second half. We did the best we could, but it's a different beast when you see the rushers coming at you. So, it took a drive for the backup qb to get used to the speed of the game.
We have a bye this week and play again in 2 weeks.
Our defense played great, as the offense turned the ball over 4 times in their own territory (yet only allowed 15).
We may only start playing people who SHOW UP to practice. It's too annoying explaining the offense ON gameday if you haven't been to practice.
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Sorry to hear that.
I had a feeling this was the week to break in to the win column.
Rest that elbow over the bye week and jump on some ass about practice.
I'll holler at you before the next one
Take care
I had a feeling this was the week to break in to the win column.
Rest that elbow over the bye week and jump on some ass about practice.
I'll holler at you before the next one
Take care
Can't wait until Sunday afternoon!
Our opponent has only scored 6 pts and allowed 59 pts in two games (0-2).
We will not take anyone for granted as we are also 0-2 and will be missing our best female player on offense.
Our opponent has only scored 6 pts and allowed 59 pts in two games (0-2).
We will not take anyone for granted as we are also 0-2 and will be missing our best female player on offense.
