60% flunk 8th grade

[gardenweasel]

Here's an interesting education study. You can compare any states you choose. I randomly chose Illinois and Kentucky.

Seems that Kentucky has a bit of work to do in every category compared to Illinois.






STATE COMPARISON RESULTS: RAW SCORES PREPARATION
STATE NAME Grade Category Score High School Credential Math Course Taking (grades 9-12) Science Course Taking Algebra in 8th Grade Math Course Taking (grade 12) Math Proficiency Reading Proficiency Science Proficiency Writing Proficiency Math Proficiency Among Low Income College Entrance Exams Advanced Placement Exams
Illinois (2002) B+ 89% 87% n/a n/a n/a n/a 27% n/a 30% n/a 12% 218 125
Kentucky (2002) C- 72% 86% 53% 29% 12% n/a 21% 29% 29% 21% 8% 137 69

The raw scores show the state's performance on the indicators.



STATE COMPARISON RESULTS: RAW SCORES PARTICIPATION
STATE NAME Grade Category Score High School to College Rate Young Adult Enrollment Working-age Adult Enrollment
Illinois (2002) A 97% 48% 33% 4.9%
Kentucky (2002) C- 70% 37% 33% 2.8%

The raw scores show the state's performance on the indicators.



STATE COMPARISON RESULTS: RAW SCORES AFFORDABILITY
STATE NAME Grade Category Score Family Ability to Pay at Community Colleges Family Ability to Pay at Public 4-year Colleges Family Ability to Pay at Private 4-year Colleges Need-Based Financial Aid Low Priced Colleges Student Borrowing
Illinois (2002) B% 85% 19% 23% 51% 132% 12% $3,379
Kentucky (2002) C% 74% 17% 19% 40% 37% 13% $2,987

The raw scores show the state's performance on the indicators.



STATE COMPARISON RESULTS: RAW SCORES COMPLETION
STATE NAME Grade Category Score Students Returning at 2-Year Colleges Students Returning at 4-Year Colleges Bachelor's Degree Completion (in 5 years) Bachelor's Degree Completion (in 6 years) All Degree Completion
Illinois (2002) B-% 80% 52% 76% 53% 55% 16
Kentucky (2002) C% 73% 51% 71% 43% 38% 15

The raw scores show the state's performance on the indicators.



STATE COMPARISON RESULTS: RAW SCORES BENEFITS
STATE NAME Grade Category Score Adults with Bachelor's Degree or Higher Increased Income for Education (Bachelor) Increased Income for Education (AA degree) Population Voting Charitable Contributions Quantitative Literacy Prose Literacy Document Literacy

Illinois (2002) B- 81% 28% 9% 2% 51% 89% 24% 22% 20%
Kentucky (2002) C- 72% 22% 7% 3% 50% 85% n/a n/a n/a

The raw scores show the state's performance on the indicators.



STATE COMPARISON RESULTS: INDEX SCORES PREPARATION
STATE NAME Grade Category Score High School Credential Math Course Taking (grades 9-12) Science Course Taking Algebra in 8th Grade Math Course Taking (grade 12) Math Proficiency Among Low Income Reading Proficiency Science Proficiency Writing Proficiency Math Proficiency Among Low Income College Entrance Exams Advanced Placement Exams
Illinois (2002) B+ 89 93 85 85 85 85 79 85 71 85 57 109 64
Kentucky (2002) C- 72 92 93 74 40 69 62 76 69 68 38 69 35

The index scores convert the raw scores to a scale of 0 to 100, based on the best-performing states.



STATE COMPARISON RESULTS: INDEX SCORES PARTICIPATION
STATE NAME Grade Category Score High School to College Rate Young Adult Enrollment Adult Enrollment
Illinois (2002) A 97 90 79 92
Kentucky (2002) C- 70 68 79 52

The index scores convert the raw scores to a scale of 0 to 100, based on the best-performing states.



STATE COMPARISON RESULTS: INDEX SCORES AFFORDABILITY
STATE NAME Grade Category Score Family Ability to Pay at Community Colleges
Family Ability to Pay at Public 4-year Colleges Family Ability to Pay at Private 4-year Colleges Need-Based Financial Aid Low Priced Colleges Student Borrowing
Illinois (2002) B 85 88 76 63 123 70 87
Kentucky (2002) C 74 95 92 80 34 62 98

The index scores convert the raw scores to a scale of 0 to 100, based on the best-performing states.



STATE COMPARISON RESULTS: INDEX SCORES COMPLETION
STATE NAME Grade
Category Score Students Returning at 2-Year Colleges Students Returning at 4-Year Colleges Bachelor's Degree Completion (in 5 years) Bachelor's Degree Completion (in 6 years) All Degree Completion
Illinois (2002) B- 80 82 92 81 89 75
Kentucky (2002) C 73 82 85 66 62 73

The index scores convert the raw scores to a scale of 0 to 100, based on the best-performing states.



STATE COMPARISON RESULTS: INDEX SCORES BENEFITS
STATE NAME Grade
Category Score Adults with Bachelor's Degree or Higher Increased Income for Education (Bachelor) Increased Income for Education (AA degree) Population Voting Charitable Contributions Quantitative Literacy Prose Literacy Document Literacy

Illinois (2002) B- 81 80 73 56 85 96 84 80 76
Kentucky (2002) C- 72 62 54 74 83 93 70 70 70

The index scores convert the raw scores to a scale of 0 to 100, based on the best-performing states.

there`s no failing in illinois...the wacademics have determined that it hurts the kid`s "self esteem"....

that`s why chicago is inundated with metrosexuals and comminity organizers...no real life experience...real life experience gets in the way of "feeling good"....and we can`t have that...

/:lol:

 

[layinwood]

I wonder how many people in this thread had two parents growing up where one went to work and the other stayed at home with the kids? Thank our great politicians and their one sided trade deals(not in the countries favor)for causing both parent to have to go out and work. I don't know what it is like to only have one parent or not have a nice home cooked meal waiting for me when i got home from school.

Sponge, I do enjoy you but you are one negative son of a gun. Yes, my mom stayed at home and we had home cooked meals. And yes, both my wife and I work. The difference, when I was a kid we had two beat up piece of crap cars and an ok home. We never took big vacations, unless you consider camping by the river one big vacation. We didn't have many nice clothes or anything fancy for that matter. Would I trade that, hell no. It was a great and I thank my parents everyday for giving me what they did. Now to today's family. We have two very nice cars, a very nice home and we take a couple of very nice vacations every year with quite a few small ones thrown in as well. My kids have more than I ever had but I don't mind as long as they're good kids and do the things they're suppose to do. My son isn't in school yet and he already reads, my little girl test out at very high levels for her age. So the fact that my wife and I both work has nothing to do with the success of my kids. I won't allow them to fail because it's my choice and not theres at this point. Once they're in college then they can make that choice.

I'm a big believer in success or failure by association and what makes me feel bad for these kids is that more than likely there's no many successful people around them.

 

[kosar]

there`s no failing in illinois...the wacademics have determined that it hurts the kid`s "self esteem"....

that`s why chicago is inundated with metrosexuals and comminity organizers...no real life experience...real life experience gets in the way of "feeling good"....and we can`t have that...

/:lol:

Wasn't the so-called 'point' of the thread was that a lot of kids failed in some Chicago school? :shrug:

 

[gardenweasel]

Wasn't the so-called 'point' of the thread was that a lot of kids failed in some Chicago school? :shrug:

i wouldn`t call those kids "metrosexuals".....i`m talking about those rich white democrats in the suburbs....like bbc...

whatever happened to "it takes a village"?

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:talk: "yes we can...yes we can...yes we can"....

 

[CryBoy]

It is a debate that has gone on for years in poor communities: do you blame the schools for the students' poor performance or do you blame their parents?

There are seven high schools in Arlington, Texas. In one of the high schools, 8 out of the 10 students in the top 10 of their graduating class this year are Asians. Asians make up 3% of the student body of approximately 3000. This occurs year in and year out for the last 15 or so years.

Based on that, I am going to blame it on the schools. Public schools in Arlington, Texas discriminate against the LaTeshia's, who are productive members (10% pregnancy rate), of our society.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Kentucky ranks 47th in the nation in percentage of residents with a bachelor's degree.

Kentucky has an adult illiteracy rate of about 40%.

Did we get to the bottom of why Kentucky ranks at the bottom of all educational categories?

 

[The Sponge]

Sponge, I do enjoy you but you are one negative son of a gun. Yes, my mom stayed at home and we had home cooked meals. And yes, both my wife and I work. The difference, when I was a kid we had two beat up piece of crap cars and an ok home. We never took big vacations, unless you consider camping by the river one big vacation. We didn't have many nice clothes or anything fancy for that matter. Would I trade that, hell no. It was a great and I thank my parents everyday for giving me what they did. Now to today's family. We have two very nice cars, a very nice home and we take a couple of very nice vacations every year with quite a few small ones thrown in as well. My kids have more than I ever had but I don't mind as long as they're good kids and do the things they're suppose to do. My son isn't in school yet and he already reads, my little girl test out at very high levels for her age. So the fact that my wife and I both work has nothing to do with the success of my kids. I won't allow them to fail because it's my choice and not theres at this point. Once they're in college then they can make that choice.

I'm a big believer in success or failure by association and what makes me feel bad for these kids is that more than likely there's no many successful people around them.

i think u made my point. I had what u had so i succeeded. Lots of kids nowadays don't. when i had my business i think i hired one girl who's parents were still together. All the other kids had step mom's or step dads. Broken families

 

[gardenweasel]

Kentucky ranks 47th in the nation in percentage of residents with a bachelor's degree.

/QUOTE]

there`s a huge difference between being "highly educated" and "extensively schooled"(i.e. indoctrinated).......

all our professors are 60`s hippies and their acolytes(the preferred rehab job for washed up radicals).......

but it`s working...you see it on this board...they`ve captured the young,gullible minds of our soft youth....who are now full fledged metrosexuals(and i mean that in a good way).....

/:mj07:

 

[layinwood]

Sponge, after looking at my post I realized I didn't make the point I was trying to make.

You said thank our politicians for foreign crap so now both parents have to work.

My point is that it's a choice so that we can have more. My wife could stay at home but we want more so she works as well(plus she hates being at home all day). We live much better lifestyles over previous days and most of that's because both husband and wife work.

I will agree with you on the kids not having both parents. But that doesn't excuse not being there for your kid.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Kentucky ranks 47th in the nation in percentage of residents with a bachelor's degree.

Kentucky has an adult illiteracy rate of about 40%.

Did we get to the bottom of why Kentucky ranks at the bottom of all educational categories?

Gee Jabbers --somehow you forgot to include rest of paragraph on your info--You got the Mickael Moore tecknique down pat.

Education in Kentucky suffers from the same negative stigma as many other Southern states. Some statistics, such as ranking 47th in the nation in percentage of residents with a bachelor's degree<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-kyimproves_0-0>[1]</SUP> and an adult illiteracy rate of about 40%<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-1>[2]</SUP>, seem to justify the stereotype, while others, such as ranking 14th in educational affordability<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-kyimproves_0-1>[1]</SUP>, 25th in K-12 attrition<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-2>[3]</SUP>, and being named the 31st smartest state using a formula by author Morgan Quitno<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-3>[4]</SUP> (ahead of western states like California, Nevada, Arizona and New Mexico) suggest that the stereotype may be overblown. In fact, Lexington, Kentucky ranks 10<SUP>th</SUP> among US cities in percent of population with college degree or higher<SUP class=reference id=cite_ref-4>[5]</SUP>. Whatever the case, due to a number of reforms beginning in 1990, most studies agree that Kentucky is making progress in the area of education.

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---with that being said will acknowledge Eastern part of Ky are certainly not sharpest tacks in box and state in general ranked dead last for long time.

Believe Layinwood had excellent point on his last paragraph--

"I'm a big believer in success or failure by association and what makes me feel bad for these kids is that more than likely there's not many successful people around them."