Sotomayor's bias

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Sotomayor's bias
Wayne LaPierre

Other than declaring war, neither house of Congress has a more solemn responsibility than the Senate's role in confirming justices to the U.S. Supreme Court. As the Senate considers the nomination of Judge Sonia Sotomayor, Americans are watching to see if this nominee would lend her support to those who've declared war on the rights of America's 80 million gun owners.

After the first day of confirmation hearings, gun owners have good reason to worry. Those of us who respect the Second Amendment are concerned about the case of Maloney v. Cuomo, which reviewed whether this freedom applies to all law-abiding Americans or only to residents of Washington. If it's incorporated, the Second Amendment prevents the states from disarming honest Americans. If it's not, the Second Amendment is meaningless outside of our nation's capital.

Judge Sotomayor was on the U.S. 2nd Circuit panel that decided the Maloney case in a short, unsigned and clearly incorrect opinion. The fact that the Maloney panel misread precedent in order to avoid doing the 14th Amendment "incorporation" analysis required by the Supreme Court is troubling to say the least.

Equally troubling is the fact that Judge Sotomayor said she wasn't even familiar with the Supreme Court's modern incorporation cases. There are few issues more important for a judge to understand than whether the fundamental guarantees in the Bill of Rights apply to all Americans. Our First Amendment right to free speech applies to all Americans. Our Fourth Amendment protection from illegal search and seizure applies to all Americans. It's hard to believe that a potential Supreme Court justice wouldn't be familiar with those cases.

Despite that judicial amnesia, Judge Sotomayor co-authored an opinion -- in January -- holding that the Second Amendment does not apply to the states. So that leaves two options: Either she failed to follow the Supreme Court's direction in Heller that judges are required to analyze the modern incorporation cases or she actually did review those cases but came to an incorrect conclusion. Neither option gives gun owners much confidence in her view of the Second Amendment.

It is only by ignoring history that any court can say -- as the 2nd and 7th U.S. Circuits did -- that the Second Amendment doesn't apply to the states. The one part of the Bill of Rights that Congress clearly intended to apply to all Americans was the Second Amendment. History is clear on this point.

In his speech introducing the proposed amendment, for example, Sen. Jacob M. Howard listed the freedoms guaranteed by the Bill of Rights "such as ... the right to keep and bear arms," and said the proposed amendment would "restrain the power of the states and compel them at all times to respect these great fundamental guarantees."

Under questioning, Judge Sotomayor was also evasive on the question of whether the Second Amendment guarantees a fundamental right. In fact, her previous decision in United States v. Sanchez-Villar held that it was not. Let me be clear on this -- any judge who does not believe the Second Amendment guarantees a fundamental right is unacceptable to gun owners.

Judges often try to hide behind precedent in order to avoid answering fundamental constitutional questions during confirmation hearings. But history has shown that, in many cases, precedent was wrong and needed to be changed.

It was wrong when precedent prevented a black's vote from counting the same as a white man's. And it was wrong when precedent prevented blacks from owning firearms. It was equally wrong when precedent prevented women from voting. It took judges with courage and conviction to stand up and rule against this type of ill-conceived precedent.

This nation was founded on a set of fundamental freedoms. Our Constitution does not give us those freedoms -- it guarantees and protects them. The right to defend ourselves and our loved ones is one of those. The individual right to keep and bear arms is another. These truths are what define us as Americans.

The Supreme Court is compelled to respect the Second and 14th Amendments and to interpret and apply them correctly. The cases in which Judge Sotomayor and her colleagues have mishandled these issues raise serious questions about her fitness to serve on the highest court in the land.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
 

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So that's your response? A George Carlin Rant? Nothing against George, He is,was a GENIUS but pretty weak arguement though if you have to post a video from a man who could convince Liberace to go straight !

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Nice Effort though...........
 

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Sotomayor: ?I Have Friends Who Hunt?

Sotomayor: ?I Have Friends Who Hunt?

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Sotomayor: ?I Have Friends Who Hunt?
Tuesday, July 14, 2009
By Susan Jones, Senior Editor




Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor on Capitol Hill on Tuesday, July 14, 2009, prior to the start of her confirmation hearing before the Senate Judiciary Committee. (AP Photo/Ron Edmonds)
(CNSNews.com) ? Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor, asked Tuesday about her attitude toward the Second Amendment and its application to the states, said she understands ?how important the right to bear arms is to many, many Americans.?

Sotomayor noted that one of her godchildren is a member of the NRA (National Rifle Association), and she said she has friends who hunt.

?I understand the individual right fully that the Supreme Court recognized in Heller (a reference to the 2008 case, District of Columbia v. Heller, which held that the Second Amendment protects an individual's right to possess a firearm for private use. The Heller case struck down the city?s 32-year-old handgun ban.)

However, Sotomayor noted that the Supreme Court addressed a narrow issue in Heller ? and that Justice Scalia, in a footnote, specifically mentioned earlier Supreme Court decisions reaffirming ?that the Second Amendment applies only to the Federal Government,? not to the states.

Sotomayor ruled in January 2009 (in Maloney v. Cuomo) that the Second Amendment does not protect individuals from having their right to keep and bear arms restricted by state governments.

The opinion said the Second Amendment restricts only the federal government from infringing on an individual's right to keep and bear arms.

The Second Amendment is the only part of the Bill of Rights that the Supreme Court has not specifically extended to the states through a process known as incorporation, which involves interpreting the Fourteenth Amendment to read that no state can deprive its citizens of federally guaranteed rights.

Sotomayor?s decision in Maloney rejected the Fourteenth Amendment?s incorporation doctrine as far as Second Amendment is concerned.

On Tuesday, Sotomayor told senators she was following Supreme Court precedent in the Maloney case.

?When Maloney came before the Second Circuit?myself and two other judges read what the Supreme Court said (in Heller), saw that it had not explicitly rejected its precedent on application to the states, and followed that precedent ? because it?s the job of the Supreme Court to change it (precedent),? Sotomayor said.

?You asked me whether I have an open mind on that question,? Sotomayor said to Sen. Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.). (Leahy earlier had asked her: ?Would you have an open mind on the Supreme Court in evaluating?whether Second Amendment rights should be considered fundamental rights and thus applicable to the states??)

?Absolutely,? Sotomayor concluded on Tuesday. ?My decision in Maloney ? and on any case of this type ? would be to follow the precedent of the Supreme Court when it speaks directly on an issue. And I would not pre-judge any question that came before me if I was a justice on the Supreme Court.?


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Sotomayor Ruled That States Do Not Have to Obey Second Amendment

Sotomayor Ruled That States Do Not Have to Obey Second Amendment

Sotomayor Ruled That States Do Not Have to Obey Second Amendment :nono: :nono: :scared
Thursday, May 28, 2009
By Matt Cover




President Barack Obama looks on as his Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor speaks in the East Room of the White House in Washington, Tuesday May 26, 2009. (AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais )
(CNSNews.com) ? Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor ruled in January 2009 that states do not have to obey the Second Amendment?s commandment that the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

In Maloney v. Cuomo, Sotomayor signed an opinion of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit that said the Second Amendment does not protect individuals from having their right to keep and bear arms restricted by state governments.

The opinion said that the Second Amendment only restricted the federal government from infringing on an individual's right to keep and bear arms. As justification for this position, the opinion cited the 1886 Supreme Court case of Presser v. Illinois.

?It is settled law, however, that the Second Amendment applies only to limitations the federal government seeks to impose on this right,? said the opinion. Quoting Presser, the court said, ?it is a limitation only upon the power of Congress and the national government, and not upon that of the state.?

The Maloney v. Cuomo case involved James Maloney, who had been arrested for possessing a pair of nunchuks. New York law prohibits the possession of nunchuks, even though they are often used in martial arts training and demonstrations.

The meaning of the Second Amendment has rarely been addressed by the Supreme Court. But in the 2008 case of Heller v. District of Columbia, the high court said that the right to keep and bear arms was a natural right of all Americans and that the Second Amendment guaranteed that right to everyone.

The Second Amendment, the Supreme Court ruled, ?guarantee(s) the right of the individual to possess and carry weapons in case of confrontation. The very text of the Second Amendment implicitly recognizes the pre-existence of the right and declares only that it ?shall not be infringed.??

?There seems to us no doubt,? the Supreme Court said, ?that the Second Amendment conferred an individual right to keep and bear arms.?

Sotomayor, however, said that even though the Heller decision held that the right to keep and bear arms was a natural right--and therefore could not be justly denied to a law-abiding citizen by any government, federal, state or local--the Second Circuit was still bound by the 1886 case, because Heller only dealt indirectly with the issue before her court.

?And to the extent that Heller might be read to question the continuing validity of this principle, we must follow Presser because where, as here, a Supreme Court precedent has direct application in a case, yet appears to rest on reasons rejected in some other line of decisions, the Court of Appeals should follow the case which [it] directly controls.?

In its 2008 case, the Supreme Court?s took a different view of its own 1886 case, saying that Presser had no bearing on anything beyond a state?s ability to outlaw private militia groups.

?Presser said nothing about the Second Amendment?s meaning or scope, beyond the fact that it does not prevent the prohibition of private paramilitary organizations,? the court ruled. ?This does not refute the individual-rights interpretation of the Amendment.?

The Second Amendment is the only part of the Bill of Rights that the Supreme Court has not specifically extended to the states through a process known as incorporation, which involves interpreting the Fourteenth Amendment to read that no state can deprive its citizens of federally guaranteed rights.

The Fourteenth Amendment reads, in part: ?No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States ? nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.?

Sotomayor?s decision rejected the Fourteenth Amendment?s incorporation doctrine as far as Second Amendment was concerned, saying any legislation that could provide a ?conceivable? reason would be upheld by her court.

?We will uphold legislation if we can identify some reasonably conceived state of facts that could provide a rational basis for the legislative action. Legislative acts that do not interfere with fundamental rights ? carry with them a strong presumption of constitutionality,? the appeals court concluded. ?The Fourteenth Amendment,? she wrote, ?provides no relief.?

Sotomayor?s ruling ran to the left of even the reliably liberal San Francisco-based U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, which ruled in the April 2009 case Nordyke v. King that the Second Amendment did, in fact, apply to the states via the Fourteenth Amendment, heavily citing the Supreme Court in Heller.

?We therefore conclude that the right to keep and bear arms is deeply rooted in this Nation?s history and tradition,? said the Ninth Circuit court of Appeals. ?We are therefore persuaded that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment incorporates the Second Amendment and applies it against the states and local governments.?

Gun Week Senior Editor Dave Workman told CNSNews.com that the Nordyke and Maloney decisions are at odds and the Supreme Court, possibly with a Justice Sotomayor, may soon sort them out.

?Whenever you have a conflict like this, you?re likely to have it end up before the Supreme Court so they can decide the issue. If the Second Amendment is incorporated into the states, it?s going to jeopardize thousands of local gun laws, and the people who supported those gun laws are just freaked about that.?
 

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So that's your response? A George Carlin Rant? Nothing against George, He is,was a GENIUS but pretty weak arguement though if you have to post a video from a man who could convince Liberace to go straight !

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Nice Effort though...........

what is this ? this effort may cause some to ponder your fitness to own a gun... I believe in the right to bear arms but where do we draw the line on who and what type ? We must have some gun laws don't we ? The minority extremist of the NRA make the majority of its members and the rest of responsible gun owners look bad.... My problem with gun extremist : they give lip service to freedom and their right to own but have zero regard for public saftey and the right to live free of terror in their homes,schools, place of work, worship or even to walk the street of their choice any time. These people talk about rights and freedom but their love of guns has diminished the rights and freedom of most Americans... When you have the #'s that live in fear that we do in America.... We are not free ! When do we get to a point when we say : we have to many guns and to many of the wrong kind of guns on the streets of America... What about the people that choose not to bear arms.... Do they have any rights ?
 

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Yes they do have rights, the right not to be fearful in their own home and neighborhoods because piece of shit street thug is concealing his Gat and does a drive by
 

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"Under questioning, Judge Sotomayor was also evasive on the question of whether the Second Amendment guarantees a fundamental right. In fact, her previous decision in United States v. Sanchez-Villar held that it was not. Let me be clear on this -- any judge who does not believe the Second Amendment guarantees a fundamental right is unacceptable to gun owners."

This statement says it all. In this country, the Bill of Rights is the first order of the land. NO judge should be able to question it.
 

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A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.


Even Barrett .50 Cals !

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The second amendment, along with the third, remains unincorporated into the Constitution, for what it's worth. The third deals with the quartering of soldiers, and both are really more of an original issue against the British trying to maintain control over the colonies. I really don't think it's as important these days as those days, but I realize gun-toters want to have their right to bear semi-automatic weapons in a pinch...

Does anyone honestly think that Obama and the democrats will come and take your gun away? I just don't get it - unless it's something that can be used to blow away a lot of people if you freak out and worry about the government coming to get you or something.

Sotomayor is pretty consistent when it comes to applying previous precedent on issues that come before her. She is a believer in citing previous rulings and how they apply to the case in question. I'm not overly versed on this, but in my opinion, you seem a little overly volatile about this one.
 

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More like passionate about having the Constitution and Bill of Rights destroyed going back to FDR.

I served, I bled, I lost buddies, and the downward spiral has been picking up speed. Volatile, I'm mellow by comparrison.

I work far too hard for my money and the extras to have them taken away because the guy on the wrong side of the tracks didn't go to college and get a good job. I didn't have the benefit of Government Grants and Scholarships because I didn't qualify because of my pale pigmentation. So I joined the Army and Got my 25K for College. So now the wealth, some of it mine will be redistributed to the thug on the other side of the tracks, who couldn't qualify for whatever reason :shrug: Uhhhh he is a THUG ! couldn't join the service, same reason, except now you can ! And more than likely he has an unregistered firearm that has a couple of hits on it already. While the wanna be gangsters choose their spray and pray pieces of shit mac 10's and Uzi's good Weapon, but most of the thugs don't know how to shoot them. Do you think for one minute I am going to be outgunned? :shrug: They can dump a magazine out of an Uzi and break a bunch of windows and I can do the same Effective amount of damage with a .22 pistol.

No, I am not volatile, that leads to poor target picture.

I am passionate,
 

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Don't think any question on bias--but things could be worse--O was talking about nominating someone outside judicial system--we could have had Ayers or the Rev--couldn't have stopped it with Dem majority.
This lady will get confirmed regardless--and considering she will be taking place of another liberal- the balance will remain the same which is not all bad. I think 5-4 good mix. Good to have checks and balance IMO or else you get what you have now--most liberal pres ever and congress that can pass any bill before it is even read or discussed. Save us Blue Dog Dems :)
 

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SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM: Judge, before I read a string of anonymous comments about your temperament problem, I?d like to make you repeat that wise Latina remark again just for the heck of it.

JUDGE SOTOMAYOR: Thank you, Senator, for the opportunity to revisit that matter. I appreciate that the man who once said he?d drown himself if North Carolina went for Obama has a special contribution to make when it comes to the importance of thinking before you speak.

priceless....:)
 

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Yeah, Wayne, I'm sure we could have had Ayers or the Reverend.

:rolleyes:

Yeah, we could have had Ayers or the Rev.... Anything is possible for the delusional, but how probable was it ? Think about it... GEEZES !` I know; DTB is trying too be funny.... This is too funny .... Maybe the Saint will chime in and tell us, I should have used one O, instead of two in too; and make this even funnier....
 
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I think Chad knew I was joking--but fact of the matter and not a joke --he could have nominated anyone--and been impossible to stop if all Dems converged--so I happy as things turned out--could have been MUCH worse.

--and speaking of jokes--wonder why Raymonds stimulus thread was axed--that was funny as shit--and don't think offensive--however was probably viewed more times by being taken down ;)

--and speaking of funny as shit--I bout lost it in Smurphs thread in general forum on the mistaken identity issue--that would go long way on being best one ever on forum :)
 

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She is one smart lady. Better then most of those asking questions. Bottom Line she's in at 70/30.
 
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