Sotomayor Would Not Concede a Right to Self-Defense

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Sotomayor Would Not Concede a Right to Self-Defense
Monday, July 20, 2009
By Adam Brickley




Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor delivers her opening statement on Capitol Hill in Washington, Monday, July 13, 2009, during her confirmation hearing befor the Senate Judiciary Committee.
Washington (CNSNews.com) ? When Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.) asked Wednesday whether citizens have a right to self-defense, Supreme Court nominee Sonia Sotomayor told the Senate Judiciary Committee, ?I don?t know.?

Coburn had asked, ?As a citizen of this country, do you believe innately in my ability to have self-defense of myself ? personal self-defense? Do I have a right to personal self-defense??

In reply, Sotomayor said that, ?I?m trying to think if I remember a case where the Supreme Court has addressed that particular question. Is there a constitutional right to self-defense? And I can?t think of one. I could be wrong, but I can?t think of one.? She then went on to explain that self-defense rights are usually defined by state law.?

Unsatisfied, Coburn continued, ?But do you have an opinion, of whether or not in this country I personally, as an individual citizen, have a right to self-defense??

Sotomayor responded, ?I ? as I said, I don?t know.?

Later in the exchange, Coburn said, ?I wasn?t asking about the legal question. I?m asking your personal opinion.?

?But that is an abstract question with no particular meaning to me,? Sotomayor relied.

William van Alstyne, a professor at the William and Mary School of Law, said that Sotomayor was technically justified in her answer. ?It?s actually a more subtle and elusive question than most people would even reasonably understand,? he said.

Van Alstyne told CNSNews.com that the issue has not come directly before the Supreme Court, and states do indeed have different laws regarding when a person has a right to use deadly force (some say there is a ?duty to retreat? if retreat is a safe alternative to deadly force, others say there is not).

However, van Alstyne also said that the court has made rulings that indicate a basic right to defend one?s life.

?Interestingly enough,? van Alstyne said, ?I think you may find it, as I would, in the court?s abortion cases.?

He asserted that, ?even under Roe v. Wade and all of the other decisions, once the fetus has hit the seventh or, at latest, eighth month, it is deemed quote ?viable.??

Continuing this line of reasoning, he stated that, ?the woman may, nevertheless, get a physician?s willing help to off the fetus ? the viable offspring ? if it?s necessary to do so either to save her own life or merely to keep her physical health unimpaired.?

?The Roe court,? van Alstyne claimed, ?and the current court, in the majority opinion has taken the position that your right to ?protect your own life? as a woman gives you an entitlement to kill the viable human being that you carry.?

?That?s an approximate decision,? he concluded, ?that?s at least relevant in the discussion you and I are holding.?

As for his own personal opinion, van Alstyne said that, ?for the most part, in my own view, the dicta of the court, the history of the treatment of self-preservation, and of constitutional reasoning and text, inevitably lead to the sensible conclusion that indeed there is a fundamental right to save your life by killing another if those are the alternatives confronting one.?

Van Alstyne also expressed the idea that the right to self-defense is so basic as to be implied by the very nature of the Constitution itself.

?If you go back to the philosophic grounds of the Constitution, a social compact, the theory is that we yield power to others, namely a democratic majority, because it?s necessary so that we don?t live according to a law of the jungle ? but if government is unable to protect us from the threat of others to kill, why then we never gave to government the power to deprive us of our natural right of human self defense.?

?So,? van Alstyne concluded, ?it is always implicit in the social compact that indeed, if it?s necessary to save our lives those of our family, why then we revert to that natural right, and it is protected by the Constitution.?
 

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She did everything she could to tap dance around by saying the 2nd Amendment.

One would think that someone who is auditioning for a job, that she already has, and she has already been a district judge, she would know about the 2nd Amendmet, but she does, she is trying to tear it down. :nono:
 

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She did everything she could to tap dance around by saying the 2nd Amendment.

One would think that someone who is auditioning for a job, that she already has, and she has already been a district judge, she would know about the 2nd Amendmet, but she does, she is trying to tear it down. :nono:

Where is the proof she is trying to tear the 2nd amendment.

Show me an article from someone who is not a right wing kook.

Its always extremes, the dems are going to take away all my guns, its bullshit and you know it. But blowing things out of proportion helps the cause more, so lets complain that they are going to take all the guns away.

Its painfully obvious we have a gun problem in this country that could be helped by stricter laws in getting guns and getting rid of the assault weapons.

But thats not even an option with some people.
 

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The ones who have the assualt weapons are in the inner city, so when the police, no the popo go in and get them it becomes a racial profiling issue. Their definition of assual weapons are ridiculous and you know it, magazine capacity for semi auto pistols have been reduced to 10 round capacity in CA, but the POPO can carry 19+1 in the pipe? 2x as many that I am allowed to carry. Fuck that, thanks to Brady I and II and Billy Blow Job
 

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Why the fuck do you need anything similar to what the police have?

And I do not find the definition of assault weapons ridiculous.

I have no problem with people keeping a handgun in their homes for protection. But why anyone would need an assault weapon is beyond me.

I thought the weapons were supposed to be used to keep the british out of our business?

Now we need more ammo than the police?
 

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Why the fuck do you need anything similar to what the police have?

And I do not find the definition of assault weapons ridiculous.

I have no problem with people keeping a handgun in their homes for protection. But why anyone would need an assault weapon is beyond me.

I thought the weapons were supposed to be used to keep the british out of our business?

Now we need more ammo than the police?

Why not

Again by definition, the POPO are carrying assault weapons, does that make you feel comfortable?

Yes they were.

Yes we do, It is our right

Do you not see the youtube videos of abusive law enforcement
 
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yeah I have seen the videos, how exactly does having an assault weapon protect you in those situations?
 

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I dislike almost all cops, all kids that got picked on in high school and had to become cops to make up for it.

Pigs will pay a great song.

However I still do not see how having an assault weapon is going to do anything to help the cause.
 

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I will not go into further on a public board

I have a very low opinion of them myself.

At a private gun club I belong to, that law enforcement shoots at, these fuck sticks don't like it when I bring out my toys, and then feel they have the right to search my vehicle :nono: :mj07: :mj07:

Get bent muscle nuts :moon: :thefinger :moon:
 

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Where is the proof she is trying to tear the 2nd amendment.

Show me an article from someone who is not a right wing kook.

Its always extremes, the dems are going to take away all my guns, its bullshit and you know it. But blowing things out of proportion helps the cause more, so lets complain that they are going to take all the guns away.

Its painfully obvious we have a gun problem in this country that could be helped by stricter laws in getting guns and getting rid of the assault weapons.

But thats not even an option with some people.

Oh you mean like claiming assualt rifles are the downfall of america:142smilie

I know this doesnt fit into your cause but heres a few facts for ya.

--Since the assault weapon ban was was lifted in 2004 163 people have been killed by them
--The number of people killed in that same time by lightning is 360
--Airplane crashes in the us 480
--car wrecks 164,236(over 60,000 dui related)


Guess it is not just one side that blows things out of proportion huh;)

From the numbers above I think we should be trying to outlaw cars instead of assault rifles.

Numbers are from 04-08
 
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Oh you mean like claiming assualt rifles are the downfall of america:142smilie

Where did I say they are the cause of the downfall of america?

I guess putting words in my mouth can help your argument.

My opinion is that they cause more harm than good.

I dont give a fuck either way but I do not understand the need to have them. To each his own I suppose. It is my opinion that getting a gun is way to easy in this country.

Again please show me what I blew out of proportion?

I know there are some liberals who want to ban all guns but that is never gonna happen.

The article that was originally posted is meant to fire up people into thinking that Sotomayor is going to take away all your guns. That is not going to happen when she is basically a centrist.
 

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Where did I say they are the cause of the downfall of america?

I guess putting words in my mouth can help your argument.

My opinion is that they cause more harm than good.

I dont give a fuck either way but I do not understand the need to have them. To each his own I suppose. It is my opinion that getting a gun is way to easy in this country.

Again please show me what I blew out of proportion?

I know there are some liberals who want to ban all guns but that is never gonna happen.

The article that was originally posted is meant to fire up people into thinking that Sotomayor is going to take away all your guns. That is not going to happen when she is basically a centrist.

Wasnt refering to you but rather the attitude liberals give off towards "assualt rifles"

Your argument was saying those wanting to save their "assualt rifles" were just trying to blow things out of proportion for their cause. Pretty sure the numbers I gave would say the same about those trying to take them away :shrug:

cigs, beer, wine, fatty foods, and many others things do more harm than good and kill many thousands more people. Where you stop:shrug:

Sorry if you cant see the humor in your "blow things out of proportion" comment and the numbers I provided, but the fact of the matter is your guys and the gun rights folks are playing the same tired game.

GL
 

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Wasnt refering to you but rather the attitude liberals give off towards "assualt rifles"

Your argument was saying those wanting to save their "assualt rifles" were just trying to blow things out of proportion for their cause. Pretty sure the numbers I gave would say the same about those trying to take them away :shrug:

cigs, beer, wine, fatty foods, and many others things do more harm than good. Where you stop:shrug:

Sorry if you cant see the humor in your "blow things out of proportion" comment and the numbers I provided, but the fact of the matter is your guys and the gun rights folks are playing the same tired game.

GL

I agree it is a circle jerk.

The repubs are all fired up because they think obama and sotomayor are going to take away everyones guns.

That is never gonna happen.

That is what I meant about blowing things out of proportion, which both sides do. The dems are not going to ban all guns it would be suicide for the party. And the repubs know that the dems are not going to take away all guns but that doesnt stop the repubs from getting people all riled up that sotomayor is going to get approved and somehow that leads to all guns being banned.
 

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It's a fair question Lumi. Can we expect a response in the foreseeable future?

I thought you had considered all of us who had not voted for the "Chosen One" as a Right Wing Kook.

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The image might be obscure unless you have seen the movie

So, if I had referenced the NRA or the CPRA or Guns and Ammo, would that be too far right wing or Libertarian?
 

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I don't want to take away :bigun: , I just think that the owners should be taxed for having them.

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you have to be joking:shrug: good luck collecting the gun tax:142smilie The tax man would get shot if he is going to collect it from me
 
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