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Palin says Obama's health care plan is 'evil'

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) - Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin called President Barack Obama's health plan "downright evil" Friday in her first online comments since leaving office, saying in a Facebook posting that he would create a "death panel" that would deny care to the neediest Americans.

"The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care," the former Republican vice presidential candidate wrote.

"Such a system is downright evil," Palin wrote on her page, which has nearly 700,000 supporters. She encouraged her supporters to be engaged in the debate.

The claim that the Democratic health care bills would encourage euthanasia has been circulating on the Internet for weeks and has been echoed by some Republican leaders. Democrats from Obama on down have dismissed it as a distortion. The nonpartisan group FactCheck.org, a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania says the claim is false.

The allegation appears to be based on a provision of the House bill that would require Medicare to pay for end-of-life counseling sessions, on a voluntary basis, for beneficiaries who want the service. Medicare already covers hospice care. And legislation passed by Congress in 1990 requires that patients be asked if they have a living will.

Obama addressed the controversy during a July 28 AARP-sponsored town hall.

"Nobody is going to be forcing you to make a set of decisions on end-of-life care based on some bureaucratic law in Washington," he said.

An e-mail sent to Palin's spokeswoman to confirm authorship of the Facebook posting was not immediately returned Friday. There was no immediate reply to phone messages left late Friday with the White House and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's office seeking comment on Palin's remarks.

Republican criticism has also included claims that the reform plans will lead to rationing, or the government determining which medical procedures a patient can have.

However, millions of Americans already face rationing, as insurance companies rule on procedures they will cover. Denying coverage for certain procedures might increase under proposals to have a government-appointed agency identify medicines and procedures best suited for various conditions.

Palin resigned as Alaska governor on July 26 with nearly 18 months left in her term. She cited not only the numerous ethics complaints that had been filed against her also her wish not to be a lame duck after the first-term governor decided not to seek re-election next year.

Palin, popular with conservatives in the Republican party, has said she wants to build a right-of-center coalition, and there is speculation she will seek the presidency in 2012. In the two weeks since she resigned, Palin has made only one public appearance, giving a Second Amendment rights speech last Saturday before a gun owners group in Anchorage.

Palin or her aides post notes on her Facebook account about once or twice a week, usually to set out policy statements, issue news releases or refute rumors circulating on the Internet.

Palin also has been largely silent before Friday's Facebook post. She was a voracious user of the social networking site Twitter, and promised to keep her supporters updated with a new private account after she left office. But that hasn't happened, leaving some of her fans begging for updates in the past two weeks.
 

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GOP govs sidestep Palin 'death panel' comments

By BETH FOUHY (AP) ? 1 hour ago

NEW YORK ? Republican governors said Monday that Americans are justifiably frightened by health care proposals but stopped short of embracing Sarah Palin's suggestion that President Barack Obama would require the elderly and disabled to appear before a bureaucratic "death panel."

No such "death panel" has been proposed. A provision in the plan passed by a House committee last month would allow Medicare to reimburse seniors who seek information and counseling on end-of-life issues. That provision has sparked a backlash among opponents, who suggest the plan would deny coverage to elderly or disabled people.

Georgia Gov. Sonny Perdue said the anger expressed at town hall meetings across the country was "democracy in action" and legitimately reflected the concerns many voters have about the health care plan.

Hawaii Gov. Linda Lingle concurred, saying they weren't simply concerned that their taxes might go up.

"The heightened anger is out of fear for what it's going to mean for their lives and the lives of their families," Lingle said, adding that anxiety about the potential changes to their health care make people worry, "'My very existence could be threatened."

Perdue, Lingle and Mississippi Gov. Haley Barbour were asked about the town hall protests and Palin's remarks during a conference call with reporters from the Republican Governors Association retreat in Sun Valley, Idaho.

Perdue said Palin, the 2008 GOP vice presidential nominee who stepped down as Alaska governor last month, could "speak for herself." Barbour refused to comment on Palin's remarks, saying he hadn't seen them. And Lingle did not address the comments.

On Friday, Palin posted a message on her Facebook page calling President Barack Obama's health care overhaul plan "downright evil" and a step toward euthanasia.

"The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care," Palin wrote.

Palin, for her part, said on her Facebook page Monday that the town hall protests disrupted "civil discourse." She urged participants to exercise restraint.

"Let's not give the proponents of nationalized health care any reason to criticize us," Palin said.

Copyright ? 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved
 

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No 'death panel' in health care bill

By RICARDO ALONSO-ZALDIVAR (AP) ? 1 hour ago

WASHINGTON ? Former Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin says the health care overhaul bill would set up a "death panel." Federal bureaucrats would play God, ruling on whether ailing seniors are worth enough to society to deserve life-sustaining medical care. Palin and other critics are wrong.

Nothing in the legislation would carry out such a bleak vision. The provision that has caused the uproar would instead authorize Medicare to pay doctors for counseling patients about end-of-life care, if the patient wishes. Here are some questions and answers on the controversy:

Q: Does the health care legislation bill promote "mercy killing," or euthanasia?

A: No.

Q: Then what's all the fuss about?

A: A provision in the House bill written by Rep. Earl Blumenauer, D-Ore., would allow Medicare to pay doctors for voluntary counseling sessions that address end-of-life issues. The conversations between doctor and patient would include living wills, making a close relative or a trusted friend your health care proxy, learning about hospice as an option for the terminally ill and information about pain medications for people suffering chronic discomfort.

The sessions would be covered every five years, more frequently if someone is gravely ill.

Q: Is anything required?

Monsignor Charles Fahey, 76, a Catholic priest who is chairman of the board of the National Council on Aging, a nonprofit service and advocacy group, says no.

"We have to make decisions that are deliberative about our health care at every moment," Fahey said. "What I have said is that if I cannot say another prayer, if I cannot give or get another hug, and if I cannot have another martini ? then let me go."

Q: Does the bill advocate assisted suicide?

A: No. It would block funds for counseling that presents suicide or assisted suicide as an option.

Q: Who supports the provision?

A: The American Medical Association, the National Hospice and Palliative Care Organization and Consumers Union are among the groups supporting the provision. AARP, the seniors' lobby, is taking out print advertisements this week that label as false the claim that the legislation will empower the government to take over life-and-death decisions from individuals.

Q: Should the federal government be getting involved with living wills and end-of-life questions ? decisions that are highly personal and really difficult?

A: It already is.

The government requires hospitals to ask adult patients if they have a living will, or "advance directive." If the patient doesn't have one, and wants one, the hospital has to provide assistance. The mandate on hospitals was instituted during a Republican administration, in 1992, under then-President George H.W. Bush.

Q: How does a living will work, and how is it different from a health care proxy?

A: A living will ? also called an advance directive ? spells out a patient's wishes if he or she becomes incapacitated. Often people say they don't want to be kept alive on breathing machines if their condition is terminal and irreversible.

A health care proxy empowers another person to make medical decisions should the patient become incapacitated.

There's also a power-of-attorney, which authorizes another person to make financial decisions for someone who is incapacitated.

Such legal documents have become standard estate-planning tools in the last twenty years.

Q: Would the health overhaul legislation change the way people now deal with making end-of-life decisions?

A: It very well could.

Supporters of the provision say the main consequence would be to formally bring doctors into a discussion that now takes place mainly among family members and lawyers.

"When you execute a legal document with your lawyer, it ends up in your files and in the lawyer's files," said John Rother, a senior policy and strategy adviser for AARP. "Unless the doctor is part of this discussion, it's unlikely that your wishes will be respected. The doctor will be the one involved in any decisions."

The American Medical Association says involving doctors is simple commonsense.

"There has been a lot of misinformation about the advance care planning provisions in the bill," AMA President Dr. James Rohack said in a statement. "It's plain, old-fashioned medical care."

Q: So why are some people upset?

Some social conservatives say stronger language is needed to protect seniors from being pressured into signing away their rights to medical treatment in a moment of depression or despair.

"I'm not aware of 'death panels' in the bill," said David O'Steen, executive director of the National Right to Life Committee. "I'm not aware of anything that says you will be hauled before a government bureaucrat. But we are concerned ... it doesn't take a lot to push a vulnerable person ? perhaps unwittingly ? to give up their right to life-sustaining treatment."

Copyright ? 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved.
 

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Sen. Johnny Isakson: Palin?s ?Death Panel? Talk Is ?Nuts?

isaksonIn recent weeks, conservatives have attacked a small provision in the House-proposed health care legislation that would broaden Medicare to cover counseling sessions for seniors who want to consider their end-of-life choices. Last week, Sarah Palin claimed President Obama plans to institute bureaucratic ?death panels.? While some conservatives rejected Palin?s terrifying claims as ?crazy,? others sought to keep the fear-mongering alive. Fox News pundit Glenn Beck announced he believes it to be ?true.? Newt Gingrich also agreed with Palin.

Yesterday, the Washington Post?s Ezra Klein spoke with Sen. Johnny Isakson (R-GA), a member of the Senate?s Committee on Health, Education, Labor, and Pensions. Isakson ?co-sponsored 2007?s Medicare End-of-Life Planning Act and proposed an amendment similar to the House bill?s Section 1233 during the Senate HELP Committee?s mark-up of its health care bill.? He told Klein that the ?death panel? talk is ?nuts?:

KLEIN: How did this become a question of euthanasia?

ISAKSON: I have no idea. I understand ? and you have to check this out ? I just had a phone call where someone said Sarah Palin?s web site had talked about the House bill having death panels on it where people would be euthanized. How someone could take an end of life directive or a living will as that is nuts. You?re putting the authority in the individual rather than the government. I don?t know how that got so mixed up. [...]

It empowers you to be able to make decisions at a difficult time rather than having the government making them for you.

Isakson, who has also expressed support for a public health care option, has been promoting advance care planning for years. In 2005, while citing the case of Terri Schiavo, Isakson teamed with state lawmakers to publicly sign a personal ?Directive for Final Health Care? to encourage Georgians to discuss their personal wishes for end-of-life care. And Isakson isn?t the only GOP senator who supports the provision; Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME) ?sponsored a virtually identical initiative this spring.?

Political Animal?s Steve Benen concludes: ?Assorted wingnuts and Tea Baggers may not believe the administration, Democrats, objective news sources, or the plain black-and-white text of the legislation, but they should at least be willing to consider reality from one of the Senate?s most conservative members.?
 

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Fuck I wish I had a youtube link for you guys to see how fucking stupid Sarah Palin is.

Than again she may be a genius. The repubs just continuing to be the party of fear.

And with her posting of complete fucking nonsense on facebook she seems to be following the rush, beck hannitys.

I still want to know what I should do with all this plastic sheeting and duct tape the last administration told me I needed to buy to be safe.
 

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This just shows Palin's ignorance. Can't believe they selected her for the ticket. WOW!! She is really out there.

come on, you libs are just scared of her because she has Priniciples and a backbone unlike the lefty's in office. She is honest and CONSERVATIVE and would make a great President :mj06:

Palin/Bachman 2012 :00hour
 
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If you heard BO's little town meeting today he answered a question (though it wasn't the question that was asked) and assured the little giril that he wouldn't pull the plug on gramma.

But he also made mentioned several times of "we" as in "we won't have a death panel"; and "we" will carefully look over options for the terminally ill" and so it goes. So who is "WE"?
 

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come on, you libs are just scared of her because she has Priniciples and a backbone unlike the lefty's in office. She is honest and CONSERVATIVE and would make a great President :mj06:

Palin/Balkman 2012 :00hour

What is honest about her?

She is a fear monger.
 

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The "death panel" already exists - it is made up of health insurance executives and their medical reviewers.

The notion that a government plan could even come close the the broken greedy one that already exists is laughable.
 

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If you heard BO's little town meeting today he answered a question (though it wasn't the question that was asked) and assured the little giril that he wouldn't pull the plug on gramma.

But he also made mentioned several times of "we" as in "we won't have a death panel"; and "we" will carefully look over options for the terminally ill" and so it goes. So who is "WE"?


Holy Jeebus, how thick are you ferdy? We, when spoken by the President, is the US government.
 

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The "death panel" already exists - it is made up of health insurance executives and their medical reviewers.

The notion that a government plan could even come close the the broken greedy one that already exists is laughable.

So true... now there's a post with common sense.... and smurphy didn't have to cut and paste "You Tube"... pay attention Raymond... people can post sound,logical thoughts without You Tube.... Raymond and some others should try posting threads without YOU TUBE... Try having a thought of your own... JMO
 

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I don't consider the government as "WE". They don't even (dems or repubs) have the support of 50% of our population. Most of their decisions ar based on getting re-elected or appealing o lobbyists. The government is not "WE" but then again maybe I am a ku klus klan member; a terrorist; a Timothy McVeigh type; a Nazi, etc., etc. And "WE" within the government would also only apply to BO supporters, not the bulk of republicans for sure.
 

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come on, you libs are just scared of her because she has Priniciples and a backbone unlike the lefty's in office. She is honest and CONSERVATIVE and would make a great President :mj06:

Palin/Balkman 2012 :00hour

Never scared of Palin becoming president and I am not a total liberal either.. You hardcore conservatives just assume that anyone who opposes you are liberals. In fact I have voted several times for republicans and I have no problem with that. I just couldn't vote in a republican president after the last few years of Bush. Needed a change and I will give Obama a chance. I have some skeptical thoughts about what is going on right now but I am still going to wait it out before I can make an overall opinion. YOU on the other hand would never vote democrat and would vote republican no matter what, not looking at issues and that kind of thinking is poor politics. Plus I am not calling anyone racist around here but the way some people post threads it has me very skeptical.
 

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The "death panel" already exists - it is made up of health insurance executives and their medical reviewers.

The notion that a government plan could even come close the the broken greedy one that already exists is laughable.
There it is.

...and it's spelled R-E-C-I-S-S-I-O-N.
 

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Palin says Obama's health care plan is 'evil'

ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) - Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin called President Barack Obama's health plan "downright evil" Friday in her first online comments since leaving office, saying in a Facebook posting that he would create a "death panel" that would deny care to the neediest Americans.

"The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care," the former Republican vice presidential candidate wrote.

"Such a system is downright evil," Palin wrote on her page, which has nearly 700,000 supporters. She encouraged her supporters to be engaged in the debate.

The claim that the Democratic health care bills would encourage euthanasia has been circulating on the Internet for weeks and has been echoed by some Republican leaders. Democrats from Obama on down have dismissed it as a distortion. The nonpartisan group FactCheck.org, a project of the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania says the claim is false.

The allegation appears to be based on a provision of the House bill that would require Medicare to pay for end-of-life counseling sessions, on a voluntary basis, for beneficiaries who want the service. Medicare already covers hospice care. And legislation passed by Congress in 1990 requires that patients be asked if they have a living will.

Obama addressed the controversy during a July 28 AARP-sponsored town hall.

"Nobody is going to be forcing you to make a set of decisions on end-of-life care based on some bureaucratic law in Washington," he said.

An e-mail sent to Palin's spokeswoman to confirm authorship of the Facebook posting was not immediately returned Friday. There was no immediate reply to phone messages left late Friday with the White House and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's office seeking comment on Palin's remarks.

Republican criticism has also included claims that the reform plans will lead to rationing, or the government determining which medical procedures a patient can have.

However, millions of Americans already face rationing, as insurance companies rule on procedures they will cover. Denying coverage for certain procedures might increase under proposals to have a government-appointed agency identify medicines and procedures best suited for various conditions.

Palin resigned as Alaska governor on July 26 with nearly 18 months left in her term. She cited not only the numerous ethics complaints that had been filed against her also her wish not to be a lame duck after the first-term governor decided not to seek re-election next year.

Palin, popular with conservatives in the Republican party, has said she wants to build a right-of-center coalition, and there is speculation she will seek the presidency in 2012. In the two weeks since she resigned, Palin has made only one public appearance, giving a Second Amendment rights speech last Saturday before a gun owners group in Anchorage.

Palin or her aides post notes on her Facebook account about once or twice a week, usually to set out policy statements, issue news releases or refute rumors circulating on the Internet.

Palin also has been largely silent before Friday's Facebook post. She was a voracious user of the social networking site Twitter, and promised to keep her supporters updated with a new private account after she left office. But that hasn't happened, leaving some of her fans begging for updates in the past two weeks.

Hedge,
Now theres a informational post in the political forum.Thats what this forum is all about.

I might not agree with Sarah(Im against universal health),but thumbs up to your post!!:00hour
 

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The "death panel" already exists - it is made up of health insurance executives and their medical reviewers.

The notion that a government plan could even come close the the broken greedy one that already exists is laughable.

What do u expect? The same shit bags in here who defend the oil companies profits are now defending the corrupt Insurance company goughers. Here is a noble idea to get the economy going. Lets stop giving 3/4 of our pay checks to these two corrupt greedy goughing pigs and let us spend this money on local businesses in our area's. Amazing how this would stimulate the economy.
 

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Now theres a informational post in the political forum.Thats what this forum is all about.

I might not agree with Sarah(Im against universal health),but thumbs up to your post!!:00hour

That is informative? This no good cunt lying her ass of again and u call it informative? Lovely.
 
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