BLACK MAN WHO CARRIED AR-15

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"Chris," the man who carried an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle to an Obama event in Phoenix, Arizona, on Monday. Arizona has an open carry law. The corporate media has spent the last several days attempting to demonize the man and the Second Amendment.

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Do you really think it's appropriate, or maybe prudent is the better word, for citizens to be able to carry a weapon into an area close enough to a President so that they could assassinate them if they wanted to? Don't we have to have some areas where common sense comes into play? I don't care who the President is (i.e: what party), I think guns should probably be prevented from public areas where they will be speaking to people. You want to be able to protect yourself with a gun, right? Don't people have a right to be protected from people carrying a gun that when nobody has a clue what that person is thinking? This goes far beyond a right to carry a weapon. We have to take all sensible steps necessary to protect a President. Allowing people to carry weapons to a Presidential speech or to a town hall meeting is just ridiculous, if you are really serious about this issue, in my opinion.
 

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I wouldn't carry to a Town Hall Meeting, but in AZ, that's the law. He kept a safe distance and he wasn't the only one at the townhall meeting carry such a firearm. Therewere 2 individuals shouldering an AR-15 and several others with holstered pistols and semi-automatic handguns.

Looking deeper into the situation, these individuals are expressing their FREEDOM TO CARRY and letting be known that the FED will not trample over the Constitution. A symbol the scares people? Really ? Nothing ever gets done in the inner city toilets with all the drug and gun violence except go after the responsible gun owners rights. The Drug Cartel Violence in Mexico, well aparently that's our fault too :shrug: Cop gets whacked in Mexico City, must be some gun dealers fault in Phoenix, AZ. What you never see in Liberal Fish Wraps is the fact the the Cartels take out 5 cops numerous school children and a donkey painted up like a zebra with HAND GRENADES
I an go down to Zippy's Cigarettes, Guns, Grenades and Great Tacos here in the desert and I can easily pick up a 12 pack of anti-personel frag grenades.
 

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I wouldn't carry to a Town Hall Meeting, but in AZ, that's the law. He kept a safe distance and he wasn't the only one at the townhall meeting carry such a firearm. Therewere 2 individuals shouldering an AR-15 and several others with holstered pistols and semi-automatic handguns.

Looking deeper into the situation, these individuals are expressing their FREEDOM TO CARRY and letting be known that the FED will not trample over the Constitution. A symbol the scares people? Really ? Nothing ever gets done in the inner city toilets with all the drug and gun violence except go after the responsible gun owners rights.

A couple things. Do you think people in any state should be allowed to carry a weapon in the general area where a President is speaking? You said he kept a safe distance, meaning what, exactly? Safe for who? Who is to say this guy, or any person, doesn't have bad intentions just by looking at them? And at those town hall meetings, where they obviously are escalating into extreme anger-filled arguments and physical violence? It's more important that people can show they can carry a weapon in public than to keep them out of the actual public area where somebody could get hurt? Who is to say who is responsible and who is a whackjob just by looking at them in a crowd?

I gotta say, that a symbol like a gun, in situations we are going through right now, does scare a lot of people. It would make me nervous as hell, if the guy was next to me, I can tell you that. A symbol like that could turn into a deadly weapon in about 3 seconds, and that's pretty concerning to me.

And, I gotta say, that in the inner city toilets with all the violence, that when those guys are caught, there sure as hell is something that's done about it. If they use the gun for bad things, there are consequences. And I don't think most people think that certain "types" of people in those places should be brandishing symbols like guns, do you? How about in some bad areas like that in Phoenix, for instance?
 

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A couple things. Do you think people in any state should be allowed to carry a weapon in the general area where a President is speaking? You said he kept a safe distance, meaning what, exactly? Safe for who? Who is to say this guy, or any person, doesn't have bad intentions just by looking at them? And at those town hall meetings, where they obviously are escalating into extreme anger-filled arguments and physical violence? It's more important that people can show they can carry a weapon in public than to keep them out of the actual public area where somebody could get hurt? Who is to say who is responsible and who is a whackjob just by looking at them in a crowd?

I gotta say, that a symbol like a gun, in situations we are going through right now, does scare a lot of people. It would make me nervous as hell, if the guy was next to me, I can tell you that. A symbol like that could turn into a deadly weapon in about 3 seconds, and that's pretty concerning to me.

And, I gotta say, that in the inner city toilets with all the violence, that when those guys are caught, there sure as hell is something that's done about it. If they use the gun for bad things, there are consequences. And I don't think most people think that certain "types" of people in those places should be brandishing symbols like guns, do you? How about in some bad areas like that in Phoenix, for instance?



I cannot put myself in the position or the thought process of the Secret Service. If I was in the Secret Service, my underwear would have a racing stripe in them right now. I am sure the Feds were watching these cats closer the granny waiting for that final bingo number.
 

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I disagree with them carrying these guns in public gatherings like this. Its just common sense.

They are making a point that they are pressing the law and they are asking to have their rightts taken from them if they continue stupid carry
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They should not be too comfortable because I would imagine a few goverment people may have had them watched very closely. Maybe thru a high power scope or two.

what fun is that
 

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I disagree with them carrying these guns in public gatherings like this. Its just common sense.

They are making a point that they are pressing the law and they are asking to have their rightts taken from them if they continue stupid carry
situations.

They should not be too comfortable because I would imagine a few goverment people may have had them watched very closely. Maybe thru a high power scope or two.

what fun is that

agree with you also scott:cool:
 

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Olbermann Spins Viper Militia Story to Demonize Patriots and Open Carry

Olbermann Spins Viper Militia Story to Demonize Patriots and Open Carry

Olbermann Spins Viper Militia Story to Demonize Patriots and Open Carry

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On August 19, MSNBC?s Keith Olbermann took the airwaves warning us of the danger posed to the nation by the Arizona man who brought an AR-15 to an Obamacare event. Olbermann attempted to link the man to the so-called militia movement by way of Ernest Hancock, the editor of the Freedom?s Phoenix website, a constitutional news portal established to provide information as an alternative ?to the filters of a slavering collective mainstream media awaiting the approval of their government masters.?


<TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=355 align=right><TBODY><TR><TD height=16></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TD width=16></TD><TD width=339><IFRAME height=339 src="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22425001/vp/32484487#32484487" frameBorder=0 width=425 scrolling=no></IFRAME></TD></TR><TR><TD height=8></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TD height=8></TD><TD class=photo-caption width=339>Keith Olbermann, August 19, 2009.

On July 1, 1996, the BATF arrested a dozen members of the so-called Viper Militia and accused the group of a nefarious plot. President Clinton congratulated the BATF and saluted ?the enforcement officers who made the arrests in Arizona yesterday to avert a terrible terrorist attack. Their dedication and hard work over the last six months may have saved many lives.? AG Janet Reno chimed in with effusive praise and declared the agency had saved the nation from ?a potentially dangerous situation.? Raymond Kelly of the Treasury Department said the government had put an end to an ?armed and dangerous? militia group determined to stir up ?civil unrest.?
The government said the Viper Militia had plotted to blow up federal buildings, including the Phoenix Police Department and the Arizona National Guard headquarters. In addition, they supposedly planned to attack a local television station. The BATF claimed to have confiscated 77 machine guns, hundreds of other firearms, tens of thousands of rounds of ammunition, booby traps, tons of ammonium nitrate ? the fertilizer absurdly said to have been used in the Oklahoma City bombing ? and explosives such as nitromethane and lead azide.
In December of 1996, Alan W. Bock, writing for Reason Magazine, did a reality check on the government story and subsequent corporate media propaganda. Since the arrests earlier in the year, ?some details have come to light that suggest the Vipers were not quite as dangerous as the BATF would have us believe,? Bock wrote. In fact, there wasn?t a plot to blow up government buildings or attack television stations.
Furthermore, the ?vast arsenal? kept shrinking. Seventy-seven machine guns dwindled to four, and the unstable lead azide was transformed into lead styphnate, then lead picrate, a less dangerous compound. The amount of ammonium nitrate was reduced to 500 pounds, plus 14 or 15 gallons of nitromethane, all of which is legal to possess. But we?ll have to take the BATF?s word for all of this, because agents rushed the seized explosives (alleged explosives?) to the desert and blew them up. Most of the guns turned out to be legal World War I and World War II surplus rifles?not surprising, since a couple of the men arrested were collectors and one had a federal firearms license.​
In fact, the group in question didn?t consider itself a militia. It referred to itself as the Viper Team or Team Viper, not the Viper Militia. ?This particular militia threat seems to have been conjured up mainly by the BATF,? notes Bock. It was a fabrication cooked up by a couple infiltrators inserted in the militia that was not a militia after a group of Boy Scouts encountered armed people in camouflage who were setting off explosions in the Tonto National Forest, about 60 miles northeast of Phoenix.
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During court hearings in the trumped up case, BATF supervisor Steven Ott admitted under oath that one of these infiltrators had urged the other members to rob banks. According to Louis Sahagun of the Los Angeles Times, they all refused, Vin Suprynowicz wrote for the September, 1996, issue of Liberty Magazine.

The government is infamous for this particular sort of entrapment, as numerous news stories over the last couple years reveal. As Infowars reported earlier this week, radio talk show host and blogger Hal Turner was trained by the FBI to set-up and bust people in the patriot movement. COINTELPRO is alive and well in America.
Olbermann?s outlandish claim rests on the fact that five members of the Vipers eventually entered into a plea agreement on weapons charges. The supposed leader of the group, Gary Bauer, also pleaded guilty on weapons charges. ?He just thought it would be in his best interests,? Bauer?s attorney told The Washington Post on December 20, 1996.
Six of the accused were released from jail ?after promising to stay away from explosives and firearms and to not break any laws,? the Los Angeles Times reported on July 12, 1996. ?Family members and friends promised they would act as responsible third parties to ensure that the released defendants remained at home wearing electronic monitoring devices and reported to the court daily.?
Olbermann didn?t bother to tell his audience the outcome of the Viper case. On March 20, 1997, the Los Angeles Times reported that members who were not members of the Viper Militia received ?the most lenient prison terms possible under plea agreements with the government?. The sentences ranged from a year and a day in prison with a $1,500 fine to three concurrent 37-month terms and a $2,500 fine.?
The Times also reported that the convicted accused the government of exaggerating their ?paramilitary activities? to look tough on domestic terrorism. Moreover, an agent with the BATF testified during the trial that no plot was imminent.
Olbermann and his guest Mark Potok of the Southern Poverty Law Center ? a perennial ?expert? on the corporate media propaganda circuit ? only repeated the government?s absurd accusations and did not mention the fact that nobody in the case was convicted of terrorism or was there in fact a terrorist plot. It was a government fabrication.
But then the point is not accurate news reporting but rather the dissemination of lies and propaganda aimed at law-abiding Americans and at the very heart of the Constitution and the Second Amendment. Olbermann?s propaganda moment was intended to link ?Chris? from Phoenix to Ernest Hancock and the mirage that is the Viper Militia.
It was also an effort to expand on the government narrative put forth in the Department of Homeland Security?s ?rightwing extremism? report designed to demonize the growing patriot movement as homegrown terrorists and violent racists.

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Olbermann attempted to connect Hancock to the Arizona Viper Militia.
 

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Do you really think it's appropriate, or maybe prudent is the better word, for citizens to be able to carry a weapon into an area close enough to a President so that they could assassinate them if they wanted to? Don't we have to have some areas where common sense comes into play? I don't care who the President is (i.e: what party), I think guns should probably be prevented from public areas where they will be speaking to people. You want to be able to protect yourself with a gun, right? Don't people have a right to be protected from people carrying a gun that when nobody has a clue what that person is thinking? This goes far beyond a right to carry a weapon. We have to take all sensible steps necessary to protect a President. Allowing people to carry weapons to a Presidential speech or to a town hall meeting is just ridiculous, if you are really serious about this issue, in my opinion.

Exactly.

For god sake// With the last idiot president you were not allowed in if you were not a staunch supporter.
 

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Regardless of local open-carry laws, ANY handgun, long gun or semi-automatic should be confiscated by law enforcement or Secret Service within a 5 mile radius of the President at ALL public events. NO exceptions. The weapons could be retrieved from law enforcement once the President has left the area.

I'll bet the 2nd Amendment absolutists wouldn't be so comfortable with guns at these events if the guys showing up with AR-15's slung over their shoulders looked "Muslim" or looked like gang-bangers.
 

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Regardless of local open-carry laws, ANY handgun, long gun or semi-automatic should be confiscated by law enforcement or Secret Service within a 5 mile radius of the President at ALL public events. NO exceptions. The weapons could be retrieved from law enforcement once the President has left the area.

I'll bet the 2nd Amendment absolutists wouldn't be so comfortable with guns at these events if the guys showing up with AR-15's slung over their shoulders looked "Muslim" or looked like gang-bangers.

Then the ACLU would get involved for racial profiling Trench
 

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Then the ACLU would get involved for racial profiling Trench
Thanks for furthering my point Lumi. Just another reason why there can be NO exceptions.

Btw... I'm not suggesting law enforcement should perform a 5 mile radius sweep, but I am suggesting that any weapons "found" within a 5 mile radius should be temporarily confiscated, regardless of local open-carry laws.
 

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no such weapon that can hit a target from 5 miles out unless you have a Dragon or some other anti-armor weapon. And yes, Black Ops are doing security sweeps from where any High Value target will be standing and moving all the way out to 10 miles out and possible further.

My dad has some funny stories to tell about Ayers and a Submarine
 

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no such weapon that can hit a target from 5 miles out unless you have a Dragon or some other anti-armor weapon. And yes, Black Ops are doing security sweeps from where any High Value target will be standing and moving all the way out to 10 miles out and possible further.

My dad has some funny stories to tell about Ayers and a Submarine
Well, I assumed a security sweep was done at any public event attended by the President, but how effective can it be when local open-carry laws allow virtually anyone within the sweep radius to walk around with handguns on their hips and semi-automatic black guns hanging over their shoulders? :shrug:
 

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Well, I assumed a security sweep was done at any public event attended by the President, but how effective can it be when local open-carry laws allow virtually anyone within the sweep radius to walk around with handguns on their hips and semi-automatic black guns hanging over their shoulders? :shrug:

Do you think it might be a PSYOP ? :nono: :scared :shrug:
 
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