Dickie says Investigations Political

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Cheney: Investigating CIA interrogations a political move
Posted: August 30th, 2009 02:43 PM ET

In an interview broadcast Sunday, former Vice President Cheney said he thought President Obama is 'trying to duck responsibility' when it comes to a recently announced probe of the CIA.

(CNN) ? Former Vice President Dick Cheney said in an interview broadcast Sunday that the Justice Department's decision to review waterboarding and other enhanced interrogation techniques is politically motivated.


Cheney said he opposes the decision by Attorney General Eric Holder to ask a former prosecutor to review CIA interrogations of high-profile terrorism suspects.

Cheney made clear he believes President Obama directed Holder to launch the review because the president is feeling pressure from left-wing Democrats. Cheney said the review will undermine the willingness of CIA personnel to conduct necessary operations.

"I think it's a terrible decision," Cheney said on "Fox News Sunday." "It's clearly a political move. There's no other rationale for why they're doing this."

He criticized Obama for allowing a review considering the president previously said that CIA operatives involved in the interrogations would not be prosecuted. "I think he's trying to duck responsibility for what's going on here, and I think it's wrong," Cheney said.
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Sheesh?someone tell him to go back to sleep and we don't care to hear his lies anymore.:142smilie

He is probably worried that he will be prosecuted.:scared

Dicky boy is simply trying to distract people from his own criminal acts. He is a war criminal and should be tried by the world court. He is directly responsible for over 5000 deaths of American youngsters, and an uncounted number of Iraq civilians and military.

Yeah, its politics. GOOD politics for once.

If it were politics, Cheney would be giving interviews from his jail cell.

Heaven knows Cheney and the Bush administration never did anything political! We used to be above using the techniques that the Bush administration lowered themselves to use. Harsher techniques do not get better information. Instead prisoners will say ANYTHING to get the torture to stop. I want our country's reputation back!!

Of course, Cheney is against this ? he has always been into lying and secrecy, and Holder's investigation would blow the lid off all his deception.

Why is torturing people okay for us to do but we hold other countries accountable for violating treaties?

I think the whole Bush admin. looked rediculously imoral and blatently stupid from the start, as well as many others serving with me. Makes me wonder why the repubs always claim they have the service members in mind they never had my concerns about torture in mind. In a true Republic no one votes and there is no middle class, keep that in mind when you see cheney sqwirming on tv. He snubbed his nose at the concerns of the whole nation for eight years now he is so concerned with what we think, as an investigation may occur. "Obama promised us he wouldn't prosecute." Are you freakin' kidding me?! why the need to ask in the first place? Doesn't sound like a guy with a clean conscience to me. Want to play tough guy/ hardliner? Well we'll see how that shoe fits, huh?

If he was really concerned about "what was right for the CIA", then he wouldn't reveal the identities of agents, like he did with Valerie Plame.

Time to investigate ALL crimes of the Cheney/Bush administration and put people like the Head Spook into prison for the remainder of their lives. ? Maybe at Gitmo. How's that Dick?


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When asked directly if he was "okay" with the enhanced interrogation techniques, even if interrogators in some cases exceeded legal limits, Cheney replied: "I am."

Putining a 500 pound wt. on someones chest is ok.
That crushing feeling!

What's the matter Cheney, afraid they will find out all the illegal and evil deeds allowed under your administration. Afraid your evil deeds will come back and bite you? I think that is why you are so afraid to have anyone probe the torture issue. You should be scared ? God know you broke man's law but it is also most obvious you broke God's law too! You did nothing to protect us as our borders were like a sieve and you were willing to sell our port labor to the country of Dubui from whom 911 terrorists lived. You sir are a coward and a very evil man who works in stealth to destroy anyone who disagrees with you. Satan owns you and we all know it.


Captain, USN August 30th, 2009 12:30 pm ET

Dick Cheney has done incalculable damage to this nation over the 8 years that he manipulated a weak minded president. Is it too much to hope that he would retire quietly from public life and allow the rest of us to repair the damage he has caused? Let's hear no more from him?please.


Dick basically thinks any country can use "enhance techniques" defined and approved by its own government to prevent attacks.

So it basically means Dick is at peace with all the "ENHANCED TECHNIQUES" that were carried out by VietCongs because they were basically trying to find information from our soldiers to save lives of their people and government !

The after the fact notion that illegal activities prevented more terrorist attacks is the arrogant mindset that is causing the U.S. to lose legitimacy in the world view. We fight desperate battles with terrorists because of this mentality. If we actually lived by the virtues we supposedly defend none of this would be an issue.

The people who authorized the techiniques that go against INTERNATIONAL, not just U.S., law are international war criminals and should be punished as such. How much would we stand for these techniques being used against our soldiers?

"I knew about the waterboarding, not specifically in any one case but as a policy we approved,"

This is all you need to know. Cheney knew about and approved of torture. Torture is illegal per the US Constitution, the most fundamental law of the land. This man is a criminal, as is anyone else who knew about and participated in torturing detainees.

Whether torture "works" is irrelevant. It's illegal. If an administration wants to commit illegal acts, they're free to amend the constitution to make it legal.

Cheney is a shameless, selfish, and evil man. He needs to be silenced by the investigation :SIB outcome, so his lies would not go into history as "Cheney saved our nation" without any honesst proof.

The fact still stands "9/11 happened under Bush & Cheney's guard" and I was glad to learn that Bush finally pushed him away in his second term and realized he was ill-advsied after all. In short, These two accomplished "violation of US and international law, ruined our economy".

If Cheney did not know of any instances where waterboarding was used how does he know that we received such good intelligence from its use?

Lie number ?.. ahh who's counting.


What did Cheney and Bush do to prevent 9/11 from happening in the first place when intelligence reports were available to them for taking appropriate action? Absolutely nothing! They were too busy planning the invasion of Iraq dismissing the Clinton administration 's advice that Osama Bin Laden and Al Queda were the real threat to our country. How could they not see this threat after the USS Cole incident in October 2000, just 3 months before taking office! Bush and Cheney were a disgrace!

I guess Mr. Cheney thinks he was above politics when he advocated the violation of US and international law by supporting torture.


Mr. Chaney, let's investigate. If you did nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear. If you did then you get your chance in the Federal Court system to claim your innocence.


Who does he think he is to have such flagrant disregard for the law? This man is beyond silly. He is a threat to this country. What is troubling is that this megalomaniac is frequently given a platform.

ecuse me but why are we still talking about dick cheney ? did not the latest documents show that he was not truthful about what the water boarding really did do? and he"s just trying to save his own hide.


why when the people who write on these walls who are republicans refer to everyone else as you people as though democrats just arrived on this planet and took their toys away from them. if most of these conservatives spent less time watching Fox News and more time reading the constitution maybe just maybe they would stop being manipulated into showing up at town halls and disrupting the meeting for the sake of the GOP . when asked what plan they to have offer they bring nothing to the table and the only reason Cheney is being so talkative vs when he was VP in the White House is the same as a ventriloquist putting the dummy away in a box the dummy cant speak because the ventriloquist has to speak for himself now and it appears he is backpedaling cause that's all he has got .

No Dick, it's not politically motivated, it's morally and constitutionally motivated. You seem to have forgotten long ago that the government is WE THE PEOPLE. When you chose to chip away at the moral fabric of our country, we saw it and called you on it. And, like bin laden, we will never stop coming after you to make sure you pay for your horrid deeds. Keep sweating, Dick?. that sound you hear is the sweet sound of justice slowly and surely coming your way.


The guilty dog barks first and loudest.


Let's just waterboard Cheney. After all, he says it works and if he's innocent, he won't make a false confession just to make it stop, right?


The excuse used by Cheney "that there has been no terrorist attack in the US since 9-11″ for allowing the use of torture and in fact justifying it is a false premise. The reason that there has not been a terrorist attack here is more likely the result of greater law enforcement efforts, tighter scrutiny of travelers to the US, the fact that the terrorists now have their hands full fighting us in Afghanistan and Iraq, that they are going after other softer targets in Europe and elsewhere to discourage them from aiding us, and other efforts by us and the length of time that is required to plan for and pull off a terrorist attack. Cheney's premise is kinda like saying "Obama's policies are keeping America safer than Bush's because there has never been an attack on American soil while he has been President." Both premises are of course equally false. Although I do believe Obama's policies will make America a safer and better place to live.


Of course its political to investigate the torturing, its also the right thing to do. Of course Cheney is going to be loud about fighting it, the man knows he is guilty and he doesn't want to face crimes against humanity. No human no matter how vile deserves to be tortured, we are the USA, not the Taliban. We have to walk a straighter road than the worlds savages.


You say you don't know if enhanced interrogation did anything. Did it even occur to you that the worst terrorist attack in the history of America happened during Cheney's watch?why is that? Of course enhanced interrogation worked?in recruiting terrorists to carry out further attacks on America. Thanks cheney.


1) There were some limited violations of policy when using EIT techniques on detainees (scaring with drill, threats against family, cigar smoke in the face, improper application of waterboarding, too much waterboarding)

2) When the program first started, CIA had challenges in training everyone so conformance to policy was not great ? but as time progressed the CIA got better and the # of incidents were greatly reduced.

3) This program resulted in a wealth of information, where we actually had Al-quidas (sp?) main guy providing lectures to CIA officials on Al-Queida operational tactics, strategies, etc.

4) This information prevented further attacks? In one case, they captured a guy while he was actively prepping to go on the attack.

5) DOJ previously reviewed the violations of policy and decided not to prosecute, but referred it back to CIA for appropriate discline of its personel.


cheney is a war monger and evil to the core. i don't care if his toture techniques saved lives,the fact is he an bush had 4300 american men an women killed by sending them into a country without need to do so. sadam had nothing to do with 911 and yet cheney ordered a war in iraq! now we have a war in afganistan because the republicans took their eyes off the real enemy to fight the fake war an now afganistan is out of control. the bush era will go down in history as the worst bungled presidency of all times. cheney needs to be in prison for his crimes to the american people. he looks evil an he makes my skin crawl just listening to him speak.


If the Bush administration did nothing wrong, has nothing to hide, and is proud of the steps it took to protect America?then they don't have anything to worry about. Instead of claiming an investigation is nothing but politics, they should be proudly standing up and demanding that there be a review of their policies?then there will be no doubts, conspiracy theories, or political mud to sling around.


Cheney, Bush, and his NEOCONs all avoided direct military action in defense of our country. Bush hid in the Guard, Cheney had What? 5 deferments. Yet they abandon the Geneva Convention which is to protect our service men and women from such abuses. Does it always work? No. But it does represent a morality and a reason that an enemy may surrender if he knows he may be treated fairly. Tell the service men and women at Abu Grah(sp.?) that their prisoner abuse was any worse then what Cheney approved. No, but he left them to hang and I am sure that while these people acted in an unmilitary like fashion the CIA and Cheney's puppets created the atmosphere for their actions. Let Cheney hang and let Bush's presidency be historically recorded as one of shame. Bush did what AQl Quada could not. He sent our country into a financial tailspin.


churchill August 30th, 2009 12:01 pm ET

Political? Then be patient. We will all soon find out.


Phil-n-PA August 30th, 2009 12:01 pm ET

AustHall earlier post is correct: Dick is scared of what'll come out of an investigation NOT run by the RNC. And he should be.

After the WTC bombing in 1993, Bill Clinton's WH kept the U.S. safe from attack for 8 years ? without torturing anybody! It makes you wonder why torture was SO necessary with George & Dick running the show. Obvious answer: It wasn't necessary!

George and Dick dragged the proud reputation of our great nation through the mud ? and for what? The FBI and the DOJ needs to conduct the most open and thorough investigation they possibly can ? and quickly! It needs to be shown soon that a few criminals were behind what was done in our names, not the nation as a whole.


G'Jim August 30th, 2009 11:54 am ET

I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! [Barry Goldwater].

I would remind you that extremism in the destruction of liberty is my advice! [Dick Cheney]


howie August 30th, 2009 11:50 am ET

We in the US have never been so politicallly divide since the war between the states. We have so many problems facing us and all we do is fight among ourselves. It time to move on America. Wake up, we are destroying ourselves. Cheney needs to shut up as well as the far left and let all move on. Just review the comments in this articale, are we one nation, I think not.


Ann August 30th, 2009 11:50 am ET

Mr. Cheney ? You Protest Too Much ? so I must assume you have something to hide ? to be guilty about.
P.S. Much of the newly released information was at your request, to prove your side of the story ? instead it proves how deeply you had your fingers in things where they did not belong.
You have no one to blame for this investigation except yourself ? if you had behaved according to established, approved practices there would be no need for an investigation.


KJ August 30th, 2009 11:50 am ET

And Cheney never did anything for political purposes? For 8 years, this guy didn't talk to the American people and know he is expecting everyone to believe him!


Gerald August 30th, 2009 11:50 am ET

Pure grand standing for sure, Big deal we water boarded some folks that want to kill us for information. Think about this all you democrats, If all the gitmo prisoners were dead no one would care. If Americans were paying attention to what Obama was doing insted of bashing Bush and Palin there would be a revolution in this country. Wake up America before its to late.


Anonymous August 30th, 2009 11:49 am ET

Cheney deserves every step uncovered and put in the slammer .
If it were someone else they would not be rehearsing the decision to do or not to do othey would have been behind the barred gate moons ago.
Give Cheney some of his own medecine.
Would we love to see this "the biggest crook that ever lived " taken in and waterboarded ?YES


Dan, WA August 30th, 2009 11:49 am ET

Dick, you are great. You have tremendous amount of experience which these democrats including Barack Obama will not have during their lifetime. No congressman or senator can speak up when CIA staff is being interroigated for nothing. Government has lots of money to spend and our children and grandchildren will pay for these costs. I hope American people will wake up and throw these people from their office. It is high time.


mrfoo August 30th, 2009 11:49 am ET

If I was being tortured I would probably tell them whatever they wanted to hear just to get them to stop torturing me. I would spew out any lie that would make them stop almost drowning me or drilling into some part of my body. Does this make my statements credible? Also interesting that he doesn't know of any specific cases where waterboarding was used but at the same time he knows for a fact that a drill or gun were not used. Hmmmm?..


Candy Wilson August 30th, 2009 11:48 am ET

Is this anything like Watergate? But Please leave the agents alone who were only doing what they were told.. If he wants to go on and on about how ths kept us safe what about the fact that is coming out that 911 could have been stopped; that Happened on his watch !


Mark August 30th, 2009 11:48 am ET

"I think it's a terrible decision," Cheney said, later adding: "It's clearly a political move. There's no other rationale for why they're doing this."
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Well . . . I think Cheney is an expert on "terrible decisions" and an expert on "clearly political moves" and an expert on having "no rationale for doing a thing." He's also an expert on "ducking responsibility."

So in this sense maybe we should listen to him?????


ed hunt August 30th, 2009 11:48 am ET

When will Mr. Cheney and all others simply admit that everything that happens in Washington , D.C. is political, and stop using this ridiculous comment as a defense?


JonDie August 30th, 2009 11:48 am ET

Cheney is right! We should be investigating, indicting, trying and imprisoning CHENEY for the crimes he committed.


Ramesh August 30th, 2009 11:47 am ET

I think the evidence is overwhelming that the enhanced interrogation techniques persuaded them to cooperate," Cheney said, noting there have been no further terrorist attacks on U.S. soil since September 11, 2001. "

What kind of measure is this, how many terrorist attacks were there in previous presidencies before 9/11 ? How many will there be in next 10 Yrs?Cheney is a rogue and clear gambler?he may, may not be able to use the same measure in 10 yrs? he is clearly trying to duck..and deceive those gulliable people with this measure. If the measure is so effective after interoggating so many folks from Pakistan/ Afghanistan?why is Osama still at large?.this should be the measure if US is safe or not?


FedUp2 August 30th, 2009 11:46 am ET

Expose his Halliburton conflicts of interest and burn him at the stake!


shooter August 30th, 2009 11:46 am ET

Put Chenney behind bars for all of his criminal activities.


James August 30th, 2009 11:46 am ET

Cheney is the one that should be investigated and sent prison for war crime. I always thought that it was he and Rove that were running things instead of Bush, but Bush had some doings in the matters to. I think Cheney has a screw loose and lives in fantasy land.


Ramesh August 30th, 2009 11:46 am ET

I think the evidence is overwhelming that the enhanced interrogation techniques persuaded them to cooperate," Cheney said, noting there have been no further terrorist attacks on U.S. soil since September 11, 2001. "

What kind of measure is this, how many terrorist attacks were there in previous presidencies before 2011 ? How many will there be in next 10 Yrs?Cheney is a rogue and clear gambler?he may, may not be able to use the same measure in 10 yrs? he is clearly trying to duck..and deceive those gulliable people with this measure. If the measure is so effective after interoggating so many folks from Pakistan/ Afghanistan?why is Osama still at large?.this should be the measure if US is safe or not?


Emma August 30th, 2009 11:45 am ET

What a sorry "statesman" he has been. He seems to lack a social and moral conscience as in Antisocial Personality Disorder. I hope extreme corruption is not an essential part of good government.


Mark August 30th, 2009 11:45 am ET

Torture, or "Enhanced interrogation", is not a reliable interrogation technique and that is a proven fact. Though it does make you just as despicable as the terrorists. Cheney's claim that [through the use of torture] "there have been no further terrorist attacks on U.S. soil since September 11, 2001″ is as lame as they come. An absence of any attack proves nothing. I can just as easily claim my after-shave works as an elephant repellent because I haven't been trampled by an elephant.


John Kovacs August 30th, 2009 11:45 am ET

Mr. Cheney is sweating, obviously. The reason why he is so against this is that it will trickle up to him and George Bush. The truth will come out that he had ordered illegal actions. Time to pay, Mr. Cheney.


Palin 2012 - 2014 1/2 August 30th, 2009 11:45 am ET

Any time you investigate a politician, it could be understood as being politically motivated?.but the main point is if laws were broken?.If either party(but it is usually the Republicans) break the law, they should be held accountable!
Isn't it funny that there are a lot more Republicans in jail or under investigation than Democrats?..The Repubs like to call liberals "Dems" or "libs", well it is now time to call conservatives "cons" for more than one reason!!


steve August 30th, 2009 11:45 am ET

My sort of overwhelming view is that Cheney & Bush violated the constitution and used the "terror threat" to allow them to sidestep the constitution in most issues and as a tool to frighten the american people?..and he is still trying to use it that way.


Rick in NC August 30th, 2009 11:45 am ET

With all due respect, Mr. Vice President, the ends do not justify the means in these cases.

You are a career politician, and the mere accusation of political motivation is political per se, sir.

The president is charged with leading the nation; his attorney general is in charge of enforcing the law. If the law was broken, there is no excuse or reason or rationale that should undermine punishing those who broke it.

You are not above the law.


Aaron Thompson August 30th, 2009 11:30 am ET

"I think he's trying to duck responsibility for what's going on here, and I think it's wrong," Cheney said.

How can this man possibly say that Obama is the one trying to duck responsibility? It is very obvious that Cheney and Bush broke the law and do not want anyone to divulge their responsibility in the traitorous acts. What a fool!


Joe Burton August 30th, 2009 11:30 am ET

The evidence is overwhelming that Cheeney is awaiting a criminal trial and does not want "Bubba" as his cellmate when he goes to prison.


Semper Fi August 30th, 2009 11:30 am ET

It is obvious that these staunch supporters of Cheney as well as these torture techniques never once served on the front-lines. You have no clue to what you say, no sense of history, and you are as easily led as herded cattle. If Cheney was a real man or even a real leader he would openly acknowledge that he broke the laws as well as the constitution in effort of protecting the US and face the music by going to jail. He sends men and woman to this oil-war in Iraq and asks them to give their life ? he should give his freedom for his crimes.


FloridaJeff August 30th, 2009 11:29 am ET

Mr. Cheney, oh Mr.Cheney! Finally we know the absolute truth about you ? keep the drills and guns out of this guy's grasp. Politically motivated? Let's see, why did we go to war in Iraq again..Mr.Cheney can you refresh us on that piece of intelligence again??


rtl August 30th, 2009 11:27 am ET

And the GOP's reaction to government medical coverage
ISN'T political?! Come on, Cheney. SOME people want to be moral and humane. Doesn't mean the terrorists have more rights than innocent civilians. But to say it's "political" when all the GOP seems to do these days is say "NO" and scream at medical coverage events?well, SOMEONE has his head up his _____.


Bill August 30th, 2009 11:27 am ET

Anyone who thinks this witchhunt isn't political is naive. Every move our presidant and his regime make is political. But don't blame Obama, it's all he knows how to do. Too bad he isn't in charge of his presidency.


GT Hill August 30th, 2009 11:26 am ET

The obvious thing to do here is to use the same interrogation techniques on Cheney to learn about even more criminal activities that occurrred during the Bush administration than we already know. Better yet, just kill him.


Thomas August 30th, 2009 11:25 am ET

You know, I like Cheney when he was the V.P.

At least he was out of sight and kept his mouth shut then.

Now he just a frightened little LAW breaker. Yes, LAW breaker. Our country has laws, and no one is above them, no matter what the circumstance.

If we want to use those tactics, we need to change the laws and treaties first.


Sol in LA August 30th, 2009 11:25 am ET

Maybe we should give them milk and cookies next time. It's absurd and you people are clearly utopianistic. These people killed Americans and committed mass murder and you want them to be treated like normal prisoners. They plant road side bombs and kill young American soldiers all the time. The drill or gun were never used on anybody. So what if they got a little scared, they should be scared. They are terrorists! It saved lives, period. I'm sure if and when we get hit again you people will think in a different way.


mike August 30th, 2009 11:25 am ET

Whatever happened to the Geneva convention? Bush and Cheney threw it out the window. The Japanese killed thousands at Pearl Harbour, yet we did not resort to torture. These actions put our brave servicemembers in danger by telling the terrorists it's okay to torture. When did this country lose our honorable standing in the world? When Bush and Cheney were elected!


JPH August 30th, 2009 11:25 am ET

Cheney has been successful in shifting the terms of the torture debate from its legality to its effectiveness.

No one remembers that Cheney & Bush justified the invasion of Iraq by pointing to Saddam's human rights abuses and torture chambers.

We used to be a country of the rule of law, where torturers were prosecuted?now we defend them.


James M. August 30th, 2009 11:23 am ET

It's ridiculous to hear our former Vice President admit that he believes it is ok to overlook treaties made between the US and other nations, such as the Geneva Conventions. To admit publicly that you favor enhanced interrogation techniques completely undermines these treaties and agreements, at the same time puts our very own soldiers who were out there fighting HIS war in danger. By saying you will not follow the accords stipulated in the Geneva Convention, you are giving the enemy absolute right to treat our soldiers in the exact same manner. From a very common sense approach, Cheney, through his own admission, simply does not care about our soldiers and their families.


Randy, San Francisco August 30th, 2009 11:22 am ET

Cheney wants to derail the investigation by trying this issue in the court of public opinion. Is he afraid the investigation will land on his doorstep?


Steve - Phoenix August 30th, 2009 11:22 am ET

?The results speak for themselves?. This man has the same
problem that afflicts many Americans ?being honest with oneself. Modifying the language and your beliefs to justify your response to whatever situation that comes up.

The most classic example is the difference (yes, there is a fundamental one) between ?want? and ?need?. The example in question here is the difference between ?patriotism? and ?nationalism?. Patriots defend the laws and the constitution of the country in which they live ? no matter what the situation. Nationalists defend the actions of their country no matter what they may be ? often expressed as ?my country right or wrong?. Since my country is, by definition, never wrong, what?s the problem?

Those of us such as Mr. Cheney subscribe to the nationalist perspective ? the end justifies the means, no matter what.

Some of the rest of us believe we should obey the laws and the constitution of our country, no matter what.


Melissa August 30th, 2009 11:22 am ET

Why is torturing people okay for us to do but we hold other countries accountable for violating treaties? It's criminal regardless how big your ego is.


R in Maine August 30th, 2009 11:21 am ET

That has been your problem all along, Mr. Cheney, you belief that politics has an appropriate place in the Justice Department. You were unworthy to hold public office and that has not changed. Cheney is the one who put our country at risk for purely political motives. If he would just shut up, we could ignore him and he might escape punishment.


Cry me a river August 30th, 2009 11:21 am ET

oh, silly Cheney?.!

Your guilt and fear of getting caught for your crimes is showing.

why does the investigation need to happen? because the power people being the torture are corrupt and are still very influential in Washington. Past or not, the was a major crime committed and those responsible have not been held accountable.


fred August 30th, 2009 11:20 am ET

We in the U.S. enjoy freedom. Then forget there is a price to pay for it. Do no complain unless you are willing to do your part to protect the U.S. I fully support our troops and any special-ops operations being conducted. I feel the military is not doing enough in the fight against terrorism. Their hands are tied by politicians.
There is no use in reasonning with terrorist. I have restrained from fully stating my views as it might offend other people.


Brian August 30th, 2009 11:20 am ET

I think this just naturally arose as its so disturbing you can do your own research and find it was indeed torture. If anything, obama wants it to go away. He is not stupid, he knows this will futher hinder any reforms he wants to get thru congress and stir up the partisan pot. Cheyney is feeling guilty and worried he might be prosecuted as he sat in that saddle of the horse of state when it all happened. I am sure an investigation will lead right up to the vice presidents office and his top administrators who weren't known to freelance on their own.


Alan in Atlanta August 30th, 2009 11:20 am ET

The CIA was doing exactly what we asked them to do ? keep America safe by all means available. These guys being interrogated are not innocent sheepherders, they are trained, evil, ideologues who would kill Americans any way they could. Bravo to VP Cheney and his administration for putting America's safety before politics.


Jane August 30th, 2009 11:19 am ET

It's political ? Is Cheney kidding ! There's nothing that man ever did that was NOT political. I wish he'd stop trying the rewrite history. Here's a man who has no conscience therefore sees no wrong in himself but only in others who don't agree with his philosophy. I can only hope in the end he gets exactly what he deserves??a prison term worthy of his crimes.


ex-republican August 30th, 2009 11:19 am ET

Do you dick think that AG should do what the President sais? I don't think so! Justice must be independent. And, where were you yesterday? Did Ted's family prohibit you to atend the funeral?
Go back to your "undiclosed" location, and get ready for the prosecution.


Howard Beale August 30th, 2009 11:18 am ET

Are your people kidding? I tried to tell everyone during the Democratic primaries that Barack Obama was just George Bush of the left? and he is. Like Bush he has no executive experience, no business experience, no military experience, no international experience and little if any national experience. What is the one area where all seem to see at least some competence? Foreign Policy. And who is Secretary of State? Hillary Clinton. The far left wanted Emperor Barack just like the far right wanted King George. Now all of you guys in the middle who believed the press? well, it's time to pay the piper for buying their poop.

Emperor Barack is marching to the tune of the extremes of his party just like King Bush.


carl August 30th, 2009 11:17 am ET

Let's see?.
Cheney's logic:
We have not been attacked on our soil since 9/11 so that means:
torture works.

OK you arrest people and hold them for years and torture them till they
give you info on their specific plans to attack the USA.

How could they give you any viable information on specific threats
if their counterparts know they are being tortured and might divulge
information concerning their plans for any new attacks.If you were one of these "terrorists" and you knew one of yours was missing would you not "change your plans".
So torture gives us worthless information ?case in point.


J August 30th, 2009 11:17 am ET

Bush and Cheney Administration believed that they have the power to override the laws and control Attorney General whom they appointed.

Obama Administartion believes that no one should have the power above the law, not even the president. and the Attorney General is a stand alone entity for the greater goods of Americans.

It didn't come as a surprises that Cheney is now on the hot seat.
If there is nothing to hide, why make such a great deal out of it


Somebody sounds scared. Cheney is worried if what he did was honorable and for our security, then he should be able to proudly and publicly proclaim his actions for all to hear. An investigation would not be necessary.

C'mon boldly tell us and the entire world everything you did and approved to protect the USA. What are you hiding????


Cheney and his right-wing extremist buddies are covering their war mongering butts once again. They boast of protecting the Constitution and Democracy then go their merry way ignoring our Constitution and our Laws. My they rot in you know where!

Hey there Dick,
Did you think that you and your minions would just get off scott free?
Calling this political is in itself political, since you are making it "political." But what we really have here is the piper awaiting payment for the blood on your hands you crook!
All of america knows how you lied cheated and stole the spoils of a misguided war for the sake of profiteering and personal gain for you and your friends. This country is not yours for the picking!
You will find yourself boxed in on all sides, with less and less friends who may have liked you during times of prosperity, but will flee from you as your day of reconing approaches.


about time for what Cheney, et al. did to this country. Their actions just make their impeachment proceedings against President Clinton more and more ridiculous. Our country is supposed to be based on our values, laws and ideals, and they made a mockery of them. It's funny how Chaney is the most vocal, and he's the most guilty.


Cheney isn't squirming. He has accepted responsibility for giving authorization to waterboard. What exactly will the investigation find out that Cheney hasn't admitted to already? Nothing. He owns up to everything. He accepts responsibility for it all and thats pretty stand up.

He is trying to protect the CIA. In the 70s the CIA was decimated by another witch hunt because the administration did not step up and take responsibility.

If you think the CIA are the bad guys then be glad about this. I think the CIA are the good guys and does our society a great service and investigating them like this is a disservice to them.
 

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Michael August 30th, 2009 11:13 am ET

Gee, this coming from Cheney, I'm really surprised. Please let this poor excuse for an American fade into history. It will be history that will judge him and his actions, so let history start now.


susie August 30th, 2009 11:13 am ET

I don't understand why Democrats care so much about the Gitmo prisoners rights, and thinking nothing about aborting babies and their rights.


Get a Life August 30th, 2009 11:13 am ET

Why would I care about what happens to the worst of the worst at Guantanamo Bay. They wouldnt hesitate to kill an American?.


Liliana August 30th, 2009 11:12 am ET

What a crook! He was silent during 8 years of misgovernment. Now he fears what's to come: Justice. I can visualize him in North Carolina with Bernie Maddoff. That is where he belongs, in prison.

He, Rusmfeld and their team of crooks are responsible for a war that should have never happened. A war that has costed thousands of lives in both, Irak and America. Who is investigating their oil business? The contracts to Halliburton with no bidding process? How much money has this guy and his team of thieves made out of that? He admits that he is ok with not respecting our laws. What kind of VP was this?


anthony August 30th, 2009 11:12 am ET

So, when Republicans in Congress were investigating President Clinton in the 90s, first on Whitewater and then on Monica Lewinsky, it was not politically motivated? I thought Republicans like to conduct investigations. As long as the subjects of investigation are not Republicans, of course.


Nigel August 30th, 2009 11:11 am ET

Political or not it is wrong. The only investigation should be was the law followed? That is the law on waterboarding. Now the law may have been wrong or not ? that is a debate ? I think it was wrong personally, but did the CIA follow that law? If so, no case. Public servants and particularly the FBI and CIA cannot be held accountable for actions that may be deemed inappropriate by some future administration provided that at the time they were following the law. Period.


wanda August 30th, 2009 11:11 am ET

if you're/they're worried about terrorists being abused why don't you say something about drones blowing up groups of people?Obama's Commander in Chief. because you're all political and you don't REALLY care.


AlRam August 30th, 2009 11:11 am ET

Whatever it is, it is the right thing to do. No one should be above the law. Especially Cheney.


Michael Chefalo August 30th, 2009 11:10 am ET

I guess he is in a good position to understand political moves. Wasn't his whole career about that?


Clay August 30th, 2009 11:09 am ET

Common criminals always try to justify their illegal actions. Cheney is obviously no different.


jack August 30th, 2009 11:08 am ET

Cheney is absolutely right. Obama and his appointees are putting our nations security at risk purely for political gain. This will ultimately cost him the White House.


PJ Yost August 30th, 2009 11:08 am ET

And if they hadnt used enhanced techniques and the planned attack on Los Angeles International airport had been successful and thousands more Americans killed, why then all these liberals would be outraged we "didnt do more" to prevent them. Nancy Pelosi and many other Democrats knew about, approved of and even asked if even more "enhanced" techniques were needed back in 2002. Now they turn around and feign outrage that the techniques they approved of were used. Cheney is absolutely right, it is political.


Dianne August 30th, 2009 11:08 am ET

Oh yes, it's a vast left-wing consipiracy?


etiene August 30th, 2009 11:08 am ET

Do you think any of the thousands of Americans crushed and laying under tons of steel in the twin towers thought that waterboarding was too harsh on the perpatrators? If one American life was saved because of the information gathered it was worth it.


Doug August 30th, 2009 11:07 am ET

Very good Sunday funnies; Dick when he isn't killing, torturing or just out shooting his friends in the face is always good for a laugh


Mike S. August 30th, 2009 11:07 am ET

Dick Cheney brags that for eight years there were no terrorist attacks on America. He seems to have forgotten Sept. 11th, which happened on his watch. Like Bush said "We won the trifecta" which allowed him and Cheney to launch into a deficit spending spree, wars justified with false intelligence, and interrogation techniques outlawed decades ago. Did Dick Cheney really think history would simply overlook his administration?


Dennis August 30th, 2009 11:06 am ET

Political? Of course it's political?in the same way that the Congress didn't challenge to torture policy for years becasue they believed it would cost them an election. It was just as political as the opinion letters from the White House Office of Legal Counsel which gave the President broad and sweeping powers to ignore any law made by Congress under the auspices of "National Security." Why do people not trust government? Well?I'm sure it's just political.


M. Madison August 30th, 2009 11:05 am ET

When we see a video showing rogue police officers beating suspects, we're outraged. Investigating those beatings doesn't undermine the police ? it strengthens it by getting rid of people within its ranks that break the law, it raises public confidence, and, of course, enforces the law. Why is the situation with the CIA different? If someone has broken the law, then they should be prosecuted.


Retired US Army Officer - Kansas August 30th, 2009 11:04 am ET

No Mr Cheney, it is crimminal. Politics aside, violations of US law and US treaties are not political matters, they are crimminal matters.


MrObvious August 30th, 2009 11:01 am ET

Sorry Mr. Cheney, the Justice Department does not do politics.


Ruty August 30th, 2009 11:01 am ET

Investigate, PLEASE. I love to see Cheney and Bush stammer for words to explain their way out of this. In my opinion, both are crooks and should be in prison.


sunshine August 30th, 2009 10:53 am ET

i beg to differ with you mr. cheney, it's not political, it's called finding out the truth and holding those accountable if wrong was indeed done.


Joanna in PA August 30th, 2009 10:53 am ET

No it isn't Cheney. Obama has said over and over again that he wishes to move on. But you see, the justice department isn't the same as yours Cheney. it isn't in your pocket. it isn't political, it must investigate you and your many many crimes. To preserve our great nation and what we stand for you must be investigated. You brought this on yourself. So shut up!


Suzan August 30th, 2009 10:52 am ET

What do you expect Chaney to say??.he's got to cover his butt??..and for him saying that this is a "political move that there isn't any other rational reason for this" ?..yeah there is another reason and that is to put him behind bars where the rest of the criminals are??.he isn't above the law just because he was the VP of this country?..as a matter of fact he should be held to higher standards and should have known better than to try to pull the wool over the eyes of the people of this country?..he is afraid that this investigation is going to show all of this country and the World what a low life this man is???


unshrub August 30th, 2009 10:48 am ET

TO Cheney everything is politics because when you are as dishonest as he is, you always think the other guy is trying to pull something because that is how he is.


Dave in Albuquerque August 30th, 2009 10:45 am ET

The war-criminal-in-chief objects to the investigation of war crimes.

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Whether torture "works" is irrelevant. It's illegal.

Bingo. The Foxbots never seem to understand this.

Life for Cheney and Rove, the hangman's noose for John Yoo, and for Bush......where's my book on Oriental Torture?
 

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>READ THIS

This letter you are about to read was written by a 4th grade teacher
this past week. She even gave the world her telephone and fax numbers.
We are in dire need of more true American citizens who are proud of OUR
United States of America . WAKE UP AMERICA . . . please . . . before it
is too late!

April 27, 2009

The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington , DC 20500

Mr. Obama:

I have had it with you and your administration, sir. Your conduct on
your recent trip overseas has convinced me that you are not an adequate
representative of the United States of America collectively or of me
personally.

You are so obsessed with appeasing the Europeans and the Muslim world
that you have abdicated the responsibilities of the President of the
United States of America . You are responsible to the citizens of the
United States .

You are not responsible to the peoples of any other country on earth. I
personally resent that you go around the world apologizing for the
United States telling Europeans that we are arrogant and do not care
about their status in the world. Sir, what do you think the First World
War and the Second World War were all about if not the consideration of
the peoples of Europe? Are you brain dead? What do you think the
Marshall Plan was all about?

Do you not understand or know the history of the 20th century? Where do
you get off telling a Muslim country that the United States does not
consider itself a Christian country? Have you not read the Declaration
of Independence or the Constitution of the United States? This country
was founded on Judeo-Christian ethics and the principles governing this
country, at least until you came along, come directly from this
heritage. Do you not understand this?

Your bowing to the king of Saudi Arabia is an affront to all Americans.
Our President does not bow down to anyone, let alone the king of Saudi
Arabia . You don't show Great Britain , our best and one of our oldest
allies, the respect they deserve yet you bow down to the king of Saudi
Arabia. How dare you, sir! How dare you!

You can't find the time to visit the graves of our greatest generation
because you don't want to offend the Germans but make time to visit a
mosque in Turkey . You offended our dead and every veteran when you give
the Germans more respect than the people who saved the German people
from themselves. What's the matter with you?

I am convinced that you and the members of your administration have the
historical and intellectual depth of a mud puddle and should be ashamed
of yourselves, all of you. You are so self-righteously offended by the
big bankers and the American automobile manufacturers yet do nothing
about the real thieves in this situation, Mr. Dodd, Mr. Frank, Franklin
Raines, Jamie Gorelic, the Fannie Mae bonuses, and the Freddie Mac
bonuses. What do you intend to do about them? Anything? I seriously
doubt it.

What about the U.S. House members passing out $9.1 million in bonuses to
their staff members -- on top of the $2.5 million in automatic pay
raises that lawmakers gave themselves? I understand the average House
aide got a 17% bonus. I took a 5% cut in my pay to save jobs with my
employer.

You haven't said anything about that. Who authorized that? I surely
didn't! Executives at Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac will be receiving $210
million in bonuses over an eighteen-month period, that's $45 million
more than the AIG bonuses. In fact, Fannie and Freddie executives have
already been awarded $51 million; not a bad take. Who authorized that
and why haven't you expressed your outrage at this group who are largely
responsible for the economic mess we have right now.

I resent that you take me and my fellow citizens as brain-dead and not
caring about what you idiots do. We are watching what you are doing and
we are getting increasingly fed up with all of you. I also want you to
know that I personally find just about everything you do and say to be
offensive to every one of my sensibilities. I promise you that I will
work tirelessly to see that you do not get a chance to spend two terms
destroying my beautiful country.

Sincerely,

Every Real American

P.S. I rarely ask that emails be 'passed around'.............PLEASE SEND
THIS TO YOUR EMAIL LIST.......it's past time for all Americans to wake
up!

WE NEED TO GET OBAMA OUT OF OFFICE BEFORE HE ENDS UP TAKING OUR FREEDOM
AWAY AND HE'S WORKING ON TAKING ALOT OF OUR RIGHTS AWAY.

Ms Kathleen Lyday
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11470 Hwy. C
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(636) 944-3291 Phone
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Published on Friday, September 19, 2008 by FindLaw.com
Vice President Dick Cheney's Incredible and Deadly Lie
By Deceiving a Congressional Leader, Cheney Sent Us to War on False Pretenses and Violated the Separation of Powers - as Well as the Criminal Law
by John W. Dean

This week, I agreed to deliver a "Constitution Day" talk on a college campus. My talk was not partisan. Yet the subject matter I selected was prompted by the most incredible - not to mention the most deadly - lie Dick Cheney has yet told, which was reported earlier this week.

Last year, Washington Post reporter Barton Gellman and Jo Baker, now of the New York Times, did an extensive series for the Post on Cheney. Now, Gellman has done some more digging, and published the result in a book he released this week: Angler: The Cheney Vice Presidency. The book reveals a lie told to a high-ranking fellow Republican, and the difference that lie made. In this column, I'll explain how Cheney defied the separation of powers, and go back to the founding history to show why actions like his matter so profoundly.

Cheney's Bold Face Lie To Congress

According to Gellman (and to paraphrase from the Post story on his finding), in the run-up to the war in Iraq, the White House was worried about the stance of Republican Majority Leader Richard Armey of Texas, who had deep concerns about going to war with Saddam Hussein. According to the Post, Armey met with Cheney for a highly classified, one-on-on briefing, in Room H-208, Cheney's luxurious hideaway office on the House side of the Capitol.

During this meeting, the Post reports, Cheney turned Armey around on the war issue. Cheney did so by telling the House Majority Leader that he was giving him information that the Administration could not tell the public -- namely (according to Armey), that Iraq had the "'ability to miniaturize weapons of mass destruction, particularly nuclear,' which had been 'substantially refined since the first Gulf War,' and would soon result in 'packages that could be moved even by ground personnel.' In addition, Cheney linked that threat to Saddam's alleged personal ties to al Qaeda, explaining that 'we now know they have the ability to develop these weapons in a very portable fashion, and they have a delivery system in their relationship with organizations such as al Qaeda.'"

The Post story continues, "Armey has asked: "Did Dick Cheney ... purposely tell me things he knew to be untrue?" His answer: "I seriously feel that may be the case...Had I known or believed then what I believe now, I would have publicly opposed [the war] resolution right to the bitter end, and I believe I might have stopped it from happening."

In short, it was this lie that sealed the nation's fate, and sent us to war in Iraq. By lying to such an influential figure in Congress, Cheney not only may have changed the course of history, but also corrupted the separation of powers with their inherent checks and balances.

Cheney's monumental dishonesty, the news of which has been buried under the current meltdown of the nation's economy, did not strike me as a topic for a Constitution Day speech. But a realistic discussion of the working of the separations of powers did seem a fitting topic, for college students need to understand the basics of our system. After we remind ourselves of those basics, Cheney's great lie can be viewed not only as a great immorality and violation of the criminal code, but also and more fundamentally as the significant breach of his oath
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it seems really serious to me. :shrug:
 

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Time will tell-As Cheney said the proof is in the pudding.

We know results of being on offense and we know results of Iraq war.

Now we'll see what Gumby's and Holders "puss and boots" my muslim brothers approach pans out.

Hopefully he grow a sack and his white flag surge won't work-retreat-surrender-run-character will abate.

He's now got his own war by which he will be judged--we'll see.

--and if we are hit again because of his/liberals pandering to terrorist--there will be bounty on liberals.

--I'll see if I can hunt up list of address of terrorist victims families and military families--so you liberals can write them and make your feelings known--don't forget to include your return address :)
 

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--I'll see if I can hunt up list of address of terrorist victims families and military families--so you liberals can write them and make your feelings known--don't forget to include your return address :)



Is torture against the law?

The answer is yes and should always be yes.

There is no proof that we got information thru torture we could have gotten thru other means.

So I guess you are fine with other countries torturing our soldiers then? You can not have it both ways sorry.

Whats to keep them from not saying they felt their safety was in danger from the usa and they had to torture our soldiers to get information?
 

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--I'll see if I can hunt up list of address of terrorist victims families and military families--so you liberals can write them and make your feelings known--don't forget to include your return address :)

And the families went thru a horrible disaster I could not relate to.

However their minds are rightfully clouded with anger, the best thing we could have done was actually captured the people who did this to them. Not use the attack to scare people into thinking Saddam was behind it and going into Iraq.

You can go and rag on liberals who are against torture and bring up the families of 9/11 victims but where is your disgust in our government letting them down and letting the people behind 9*11 get away with it?

Why don't you write to them about how you support a party who had the chance to unite the world in an effort to rid the planet of al qaeda. But instead they invade Iraq and thousands of young american men and women died in a pointless lie of a war.
 

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Why don't you write to them about how you support a party who had the chance to unite the world in an effort to rid the planet of al qaeda. But instead they invade Iraq and thousands of young american men and women died in a pointless lie of a war.
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Commentary: Cheney wrong on interrogationsStory Highlights
Bergen: Dick Cheney says coercive interrogations saved lives and stopped attacks
Bergen says evidence shows the most valuable information came without coercion
He says information gained through coercion was of dubious value
Bergen: History will show coercive techniques did more harm than good
updated 2 hours, 38 minutes agoNext Article in Politics ?


By Peter Bergen
Special to CNN


Editor's note: Peter Bergen, CNN's national security analyst, is a fellow at the New America Foundation, a Washington-based think tank that promotes innovative thought from across the ideological spectrum, and at New York University's Center on Law and Security. He's the author of "The Osama bin Laden I Know: An Oral History of al Qaeda's Leader." This commentary is adapted from a longer article


Peter Bergen says the evidence is that coercive interrogations likely did more harm than good.

(CNN) -- Former Vice President Dick Cheney said in an interview Friday that just-released CIA documents demonstrate the effectiveness of coercive interrogation techniques.

"My sort of overwhelming view is that the enhanced interrogation techniques were absolutely essential in saving American lives and preventing attacks on the Unites States," Cheney told FOX News Sunday. "I think they were directly responsible for the fact that for eight years we had no further direct attacks on the United States."

So what do the newly-released CIA documents show, in combination with the other records on the matter already in the public domain?

The first al Qaeda member to be subjected to "enhanced interrogation techniques" was Abu Zubaydah, a Palestinian al Qaeda logistician in his early 30s. Zubaydah was captured in March 2002 in a shoot-out in Faisalabad, Pakistan.

He was the subject of intense interest from American officials as they believed he was the first al Qaeda insider whom they could interrogate who might know the form of the next terror attack. And so Zubaydah was the first prisoner to be placed in a secret overseas CIA prison, this one located in Thailand.

There he was interrogated by Ali Soufan, one of the FBI's few Arabic-speaking agents. Zubaydah described Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, al Qaeda's operational commander, as the mastermind of 9/11, and he confirmed that Mohammed's alias was "Mukhtar," an important clue in helping to track him down.

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Abu Zubaydah's confirmation of Mohammed's role in the attacks on Washington and New York was arguably the single most important piece of information uncovered about al Qaeda after 9/11 and it was discovered during the course of a standard interrogation without recourse to any form of coercion. Soufan told Newsweek that "we were able to get the information about Khalid Sheik Mohammed in two days."

Later, over Soufan's vociferous objections, a CIA contractor stepped in to take over Abu Zubaydah's interrogations. The FBI's standard, non-coercive techniques were jettisoned and Abu Zubaydah was stripped naked, deprived of sleep, subjected to loud noise and wide variations in temperature and he was later "waterboarded" 83 times.

Following his arrest in Pakistan in March 2003, Mohammed was also subjected to intensive coercive measures. He was taken to a secret CIA prison in northern Poland where he initially proved resistant to interrogation. In the words of the 2004 CIA's inspector general report on detainees that was also released this week, Mohammed was an accomplished resister, provided only a few intelligence reports prior to the use of the waterboard, and analysis of that information revealed that much of it was outdated, inaccurate or incomplete."

Following his defiance, Mohammed was subjected to a number of coercive interrogation techniques including being waterboarded 183 times. But did Mohammed's coerced interrogations really lead to any substantive plots against the American homeland being averted? The short answer is no.

A document the government released in 2006 around the time Mohammed was transferred from his secret CIA prison to the prison camp at Guantanamo offered details on the plots he had hatched against the United States:

"KSM [Khalid Sheikh Mohammed] launched several plots targeting the U.S. Homeland, including a plot in late 2001 to have ... suicide operatives hijack a plane over the Pacific and crash it into a skyscraper on the U.S. West Coast; a plan in early 2002 to send al-Qaeda operatives to conduct attacks in the U.S.; and a plot in early 2003 to employ a network of Pakistanis ... to smuggle explosives into New York and to target gas stations, railroad tracks and a bridge in New York."

The newly-released CIA documents merely rehash the range of anti-American plots cooked up by Mohammed that the government already made public three years ago. And while this "second wave" of attacks all sounded very frightening, there is no indication that these plots were ever more than just talk.

The chances of success, for instance, of al Qaeda's plan to attack the skyscraper on the West Coast -- since identified as the 73-story U.S. Bank Tower in Los Angeles -- were described by Mohammed in one court document to be "dismal."

Of the terrorists, alleged and otherwise, cited by the CIA inspector general that Mohammed fingered during his coercive interrogations, only Ohio truck driver Lyman Faris was an actual al Qaeda foot soldier living in the United States who had the serious intention to wreak havoc in America. However, he was not much of a competent terrorist: In 2002 he researched the feasibility of bringing down the Brooklyn Bridge by using a blowtorch, an enterprise akin to demolishing the Empire State Building with a firecracker.

If that was the most threatening plot the United States could discover by waterboarding the most senior al Qaeda member in American custody, it was thin stuff indeed. And when the English journalist David Rose asked FBI director Robert Mueller last year if he was aware of any attacks on America that had been disrupted thanks to intelligence obtained through "enhanced techniques," Mueller replied: "I don't believe that has been the case."

Historians will likely judge the putative intelligence gains made by abusive interrogation techniques were easily outweighed by the damage they caused to the United States' moral standing.

That is certainly the view of Adm. Dennis Blair, the director of national intelligence, who wrote in April 2009, "These techniques hurt our image around the world, the damage they have done to our interests far outweighed whatever benefits they gave us and they are not essential to our national security." Quite
 

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Duff Miver and to anyone else !!

Duff Miver and to anyone else !!

But first we have to hunt down the neocons who allowed 9-11. They were in charge then, weren't they?

I ask a question and I never get an answer. The day that Cheney took control of NORAD, the date 9-11, how many times had Cheney been in control of NORAD.Had he ever been in control of NORAD before 9-11 or after 9-11.
I call it "wag the dog". Common sense tells me that it stinks,I have lots of question,can't get the answers, except for some fool that tells me that i'm wearing a tin-foil hat, how lame is that !!
Was 9-11 a terrorist event that was perpetrated by 19 box cutters , I DON'T THINK SO !!
Get the charts out and show how much money we spend as a nation on defense and intel and then tell me that it's that easy.
It looks to me that we've wasted trillions on defense if we can't stop 19 boxcutters.
I expect the right wing neo con jar heads to call me names and then get out their duct tape and crawl under their bed.
The SOB'S that started these illegal WARS with total lies and all that help orchestrate the WARS in Iraq and Afganistan for personel wealth have no honour. They are criminals and until they are brought to justice and charged and convicted of their crimes they will be no reason for anyone to expect change !
If a person lied to you and the result turns into the death of a family member, or a good friend how would you feel.
Chicken hawks... pieces of shit, filthy bastards ,those are the people that send young innocent men and women to their death in an illegal war.
Where is the outrage by the people ... oh that's right some still believe Cheney. They are some here at this forum still selling this shit !!
I'm not buying the fulking lies and furthermore I get really pissed when these assholes try to sell it.
 
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Is torture against the law?

The answer is yes and should always be yes.

There is no proof that we got information thru torture we could have gotten thru other means.

So I guess you are fine with other countries torturing our soldiers then? You can not have it both ways sorry.

Whats to keep them from not saying they felt their safety was in danger from the usa and they had to torture our soldiers to get information?

Depends what you call torture as I said 100% times before.
I'd rather be water boarded any day than listen to rap full blast for 24 hours.
Believe all U.S. soilders -and others would be elated to think water boarding would be worse they'd face.

--but then again hard for we vets to explain to the pinkies/gumby groupies anything about war.:)
 

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I ask a question and I never get an answer. The day that Cheney took control of NORAD, the date 9-11, how many times had Cheney been in control of NORAD.Had he ever been in control of NORAD before 9-11 or after 9-11.
I call it "wag the dog". Common sense tells me that it stinks,I have lots of question,can't get the answers, except for some fool that tells me that i'm wearing a tin-foil hat, how lame is that !!
Was 9-11 a terrorist event that was perpetrated by 19 box cutters , I DON'T THINK SO !!
Get the charts out and show how much money we spend as a nation on defense and intel and then tell me that it's that easy.
It looks to me that we've wasted trillions on defense if we can't stop 19 boxcutters.
I expect the right wing neo con jar heads to call me names and then get out their duct tape and crawl under their bed.
The SOB'S that started these illegal WARS with total lies and all that help orchestrate the WARS in Iraq and Afganistan for personel wealth have no honour. They are criminals and until they are brought to justice and charged and convicted of their crimes they will be no reason for anyone to expect change !
If a person lied to you and the result turns into the death of a family member, or a good friend how would you feel.
Chicken hawks... pieces of shit, filthy bastards ,those are the people that send young innocent men and women to their death in an illegal war.
Where is the outrage by the people ... oh that's right some still believe Cheney. They are some here at this forum still selling this shit !!
I'm not buying the fulking lies and furthermore I get really pissed when these assholes try to sell it.

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There is a show on tonight at 900 PM on 276 Direct TV .

It is going to show tests that have been done to help us better understand if this attack was terror or Bush and Cheney were in the background pulling strings. :scared
 
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