Real life Americans, not Fox Nooze fools, on health care

Duff Miver

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By Nick Carey Nick Carey ? Wed Sep 16, 1:10 am ET

NEWARK, Ohio (Reuters) ? As debate rages on how to reform the U.S. healthcare system, many of the one in six Americans now without medical insurance are hoping that reform brings at least one thing -- affordable coverage.

"I'd like to have some sort of health insurance I could actually afford," said Stuart Burrows, a Vietnam War veteran in Newark, a small town in central Ohio. "I stand to lose everything I ever worked for if I can't pay my medical bills."

Burrows, 61, said he was exposed in Vietnam to Agent Orange, a toxic mix of herbicides used by the U.S. military as a defoliant that has since been linked to numerous diseases.

He is retired on partial disability. But in March he had emergency surgery to remove blockages in his arteries and now owes tens of thousands of dollars in medical bills, since his veteran's disability only covers service-related health issues and he has no other insurance.

"I thought I had finally reached a point where I could relax and own something," Burrows said in the living room of his modest, five-room house. "But now I can't because they may take my house and throw me into the street."

Burrows is one of 46 million Americans -- in a population of 300 million -- without health insurance. Reforming the $2.5 trillion U.S. healthcare industry, including affordable coverage for the uninsured, is a top priority for President Barack Obama and a major test for his young presidency.

With unified opposition by most Republicans in Congress, the debate over healthcare reform has been heated and has left many Americans wary of Obama's desire for a "public option" -- a government-run non-profit insurer to offer coverage that private for-profit health insurers currently do not.

Many among the uninsured say they find the reform plans confusing, but believe the current system is unsustainable.

"I've heard a lot of crazy things about health reform and I'm worried about how the country will pay for it," said Moira McKamey, 52, an unemployed worker in southwestern Ohio who is retraining as a medical assistant. "But healthcare is in a critical state and something must be done."

'NO INSURER WILL COVER ME'

Many of the uninsured say they would pay for affordable coverage and many are angry at private health insurers.

But according to opinion polls, Americans are divided over plans to reform the healthcare industry. A Washington Post-ABC News poll released on September 14 showed 46 percent of respondents in favor of Obama's healthcare reform plans and 48 percent opposed. A CNN/Opinion Research Corporation poll released the same day showed 51 percent in favor and 46 percent opposed.

Polls of the uninsured are rare. But a May 2009 survey by Rasmussen Reports of uninsured voters showed 56 percent described the U.S. healthcare system as poor and 48 percent said health costs had caused them to miss credit card or mortgage payments.

"Healthcare in this country sucks," said Charlotta Shepherd, 54, who runs a beauty salon near Oconto Falls, Wisconsin and cannot afford health insurance.

"If countries like Canada and Germany can provide affordable healthcare to everyone, why can't we?"

One reason is the hot-button social issues that critics and opponents have included in the complex debate, whether factual or not. In a nationally televised speech to Congress on October 9, Obama assailed the "scare tactics" of his opponents, such as claims of death panels to decide the fate of senior citizens or free healthcare for illegal immigrants.

"We have already have death panels," said Gloria Smith, Stuart Burrows' partner. "They're called insurance companies."


There are also those like Devin Baty, 32, a former music teacher in the Cleveland suburb of Lakewood. He is unable to work because of an "organic tick disorder," which sounds innocuous. But when he has an attack his entire upper body shakes violently in a way that is painful to watch.

He has just become eligible for coverage under the government's Medicare program because he is disabled, but this does not include medications, which cost him $400 a month. He spent years without any coverage and said that "without financial help from my mother we would have lost our house."

Baty said he is now skeptical of private insurers.

"No insurer will cover me because of my condition," Baty said. "I don't know what Americans feel they would be giving up with a public option. But just from a philosophical standpoint you will never convince me that someone making a profit from my healthcare would make the best decisions on how to treat me."

(Additional reporting by Tim Gaynor; Editing by Eric Walsh)

Republicans have no problem spending $3 billion on a misadventure in Iraq, but gag on 1/3 of that on public insurance.

Whose side are they on - Blackwater's?
 

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Duff, in the other thread you brought up that we already had single payor with Medicare and the VA. How come the first gentleman(Mr. Burrows) doesn't use it? If he can't benefit from the VA then who can?
 

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Duff, I just want to say thank you.

The first example was for your "we already have single payor and it's VA and Medicare." I gave you the VA example from your post and here's one from the same post for Medicare.

He has just become eligible for coverage under the government's Medicare program because he is disabled, but this does not include medications, which cost him $400 a month. He spent years without any coverage and said that "without financial help from my mother we would have lost our house."


So you have two of your single payor programs and neither of them worked for these people. Again, why should I want the government to give me insurance if they can't do these correctly.
 

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Bbut this does not include medications, which cost him $400 a month.

This is the kind of thing that just gets glossed over in these discussions. One man, one situation, one kind of medications for a serious problem, and he pays $400 a month for the pills (or whatever).

Why would one month of medication cost $400? Does anyone think this number is fair? Of course, I don't know the true picture, or the cost of making the meds, or anything like that, but seriously, if you think about how much people are paying (or insurance companies are paying) for medicines - that are protected by patents, and nobody else can compete with - couldn't this use some review?

I've read several articles about pharma companies that raise the price of their meds hundreds, even thousands of percent when other patents expire, making them the only game in town. The only people benefiting from this are the people working for (to a small degree) the company, management (a great deal), and shareholders (plenty).

There are so many areas to look at, and each area is in complete protectionist mode. Examine/reform all of it, that's the only way it will work.
 

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This is the kind of thing that just gets glossed over in these discussions. One man, one situation, one kind of medications for a serious problem, and he pays $400 a month for the pills (or whatever).

Why would one month of medication cost $400? Does anyone think this number is fair? Of course, I don't know the true picture, or the cost of making the meds, or anything like that, but seriously, if you think about how much people are paying (or insurance companies are paying) for medicines - that are protected by patents, and nobody else can compete with - couldn't this use some review?

I've read several articles about pharma companies that raise the price of their meds hundreds, even thousands of percent when other patents expire, making them the only game in town. The only people benefiting from this are the people working for (to a small degree) the company, management (a great deal), and shareholders (plenty).

There are so many areas to look at, and each area is in complete protectionist mode. Examine/reform all of it, that's the only way it will work.

You want to talk about expensive meds? Try Avastin, $100K/year. Think your insurance will cover it? Sure, as a Tier 4 - that means it costs you only $25K.

What does Avastin cost to manufacture? Maybe, at most $100 for a years' supply.

But Republicans pushed through a bill which FORBIDS Medicare from negotiating drug prices.

And they didn't even supply the K-Y.
 

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You want to talk about expensive meds? Try Avastin, $100K/year. Think your insurance will cover it? Sure, as a Tier 4 - that means it costs you only $25K.

What does Avastin cost to manufacture? Maybe, at most $100 for a years' supply.

But Republicans pushed through a bill which FORBIDS Medicare from negotiating drug prices.

And they didn't even supply the K-Y.

Is there a Generic version of KY to cut costs? :rolleyes:
 
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