Obama will spend more on Welfare nx yr than Bush did for entire Iraq war

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It is long but well worth reading...., Barack Obama decried the financial toll that the Iraq war was taking on the economy, but Obama?s proposed spending on welfare through 2010 will eclipse Bush?s war spending by more than $260 billion.

?Because of the Bush-McCain policies, our debt has ballooned,? then-Sen. Barack Obama told a Charleston, W.V., crowd in March 2008. ?This is creating problems in our fragile economy. And that kind of debt also places an unfair burden on our children and grandchildren, who will have to repay it.?

During the entire administration of George W. Bush, the Iraq war cost a total of $622 billion, according to the Congressional Research Service.

President Obama?s welfare spending will reach $888 billion in a single fiscal year--2010--more than the Bush administration spent on war in Iraq from the first ?shock and awe? attack in 2003 until Bush left office in January.

Obama?s spending proposals call for the largest increases in welfare benefits in U.S. history, according to a report by the Heritage Foundation, a conservative think tank. This will lead to a spending total of $10.3 trillion over the next decade on various welfare programs. These include cash payments, food, housing, Medicaid and various social services for low-income Americans and those at 200 percent of the poverty level, or $44,000 for a family of four. Among that total, $7.5 trillion will be federal money and $2.8 trillion will be federally mandated state expenditures.

In that same West Virginia speech last year, Obama said, ?When Iraq is costing each household about $100 a month, you?re paying a price for this war.?

The Heritage study says, ?Applying that same standard to means-tested welfare spending reveals that welfare will cost each household $560 per month in 2009 and $638 per month in 2010.?

The welfare reform package of 1996 only targeted one program, which was Aid for Families with Dependent Children, pushing work requirements for recipients to encourage them to get off the rolls. There are still 70 different welfare programs spread across 14 different federal agencies, said Robert Rector, senior research fellow in domestic policy studies at the Heritage Foundation, who co-wrote the study.

?The average person says I thought we ended welfare. Well, it?s a good thing we ended it, otherwise we?d be spending some real money,? Rector joked while speaking about the report on Tuesday. ?Reform was grossly oversold by Clinton and the Republicans. It reformed one program out of 70. Medicaid, public housing, the Earned Income Tax Credit were not reformed.?

According to his White House budget proposal, President Barack Obama will increase annual federal welfare spending by one-third, from $522.4 billion to $697 billion in his first fiscal year. Adjusted for inflation, the combined two-year increase of $263 billion is greater than any increase in welfare spending in history.

By 2014, annual spending on welfare programs will reach $1 trillion for the fiscal year.

?One in seven in total federal and state dollars now goes to welfare. But this is a completely unknown story,? Rector said. ?This is not being reported. No one knows Obama is spending $10 trillion on welfare.?

Welfare spending has taken its toll on the federal debt. Since the beginning of the ?war on poverty,? $15.9 trillion has been spent on welfare programs. The total cost of every war in American history, starting with the American Revolution, is $6.4 trillion when adjusted for inflation.

Welfare has been the fastest growing part of the federal government?s spending, increasing by 292 percent from 1989 to 2008. That?s compared to Social Security and Medicare, which grew 213 percent, the study says.

Adjusted for inflation, welfare is 5 percent of the gross domestic product today. It was only 1.2 percent of GDP in 1965, the report says. Also, over the next decade, $1.5 trillion in welfare benefits will be paid to low-skilled immigrants.

Still, high levels of poverty are reflected by the U.S. Census Bureau because the bureau counts only 4 percent of the total welfare spending as income when it calculates poverty. Thus, most discussions on poverty begin on the virtual premise that welfare does not exist, the study says.

?None of the $800 billion being spent is counted as income, so the Census comes back and they say, ?Oh my goodness, we have 40 million poor people. We need to spend more money,?? Rector explained. ?That is a game the taxpayer can never win.?

Changing how the money is spent could go a long way in achieving better results, the study says.

?Annual means tested welfare spending is more than sufficient to eliminate poverty in the United States,? the study reports. ?If welfare spending were converted into case benefits, the sum would be nearly four times the amount needed to raise the income of all poor families above the official poverty line.?
 

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I heard that asswipe Neil Boortz say this on the radio this AM and go on and on about it.

Only thing is he didnt list all the welfare .

Medicade and social security thrown in there to sway the numbers

It really is stupid the way they try to make their points. They cant do it honestly .
 

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change you can believe in , if you voted for this bum your a loser:mad:
 

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Scott and TU

CnS has the article-http://cnsnews.com/news/article/54400

At the end is comment section--

Maybe you both could share your well thought out critques there :)

Skeeter was good article except they forgot to mention he spent bout 1/3 of "stimulus" on entitlements.

--don't know why everyone is surprised though--his hope/change promise was to redistribute wealth.:shrug:
 
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Joe Coors started the Heritage Foundation, a right-wing think tank seeking to abolish civil rights laws, minimum wage laws, environmental laws, affirmative action, rights for the handicapped and arms control. He chose a neo-Nazi author of an Aryan supremacy book as co-editor of their publication, "Policy Review." They have sponsored forums for pro-Nazi groups and have funded the work of a convicted Nazi collaborator.

In the summer of 1996, the Heritage Foundation did a huge mailing to voters telling them to support Republican Senator Bob Dole for President. In the letter, Dole promised to abolish the federal departments of education, housing, transportation and energy. Right in line with libertarian rhetoric, they would have government off of corporate America?s back and no social safety net for the people.
 

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Scott and TU

CnS has the article-http://cnsnews.com/news/article/54400

At the end is comment section--

Maybe you both could share your well thought out critques there :)

Skeeter was good article except they forgot to mention he spent bout 1/3 of "stimulus" on entitlements.

--don't know why everyone is surprised though--his hope/change promise was to redistribute wealth.:shrug:

Wow, more really old news resurfacing, and note the comparison to the Iraq war. The right still trying to justify a war by changing the subject. This distortion of the truth began on February 14, Obama 3 weeks into office. Funny, I saw no new bills during that period.

I guess I'll once again have to get the truth out. In 2000, the year before Bush became President, the Federal government spent approximately $171.38 billion in welfare programs. When he left in 2008, the amount was approximately $313.42 billion. Percentage increase: 82.9%. The Budget Office projects a 19.1% increase over the next 6 years.

Right wingers act like nothing bad ever happened before Obama - Bush trillion dollar deficit and record pork barrel spending by the right. Short memory.

I might add, the czar thing sure got quiet after posting Bussh's Czars. The party of NO continues to attack with no solutions. Just say no and stall, hoping for votes in the next election. We have a moral and financial issue with health care, with costs driving deficit spending, yet no imput from the rebs, only criticism 24/7.
 

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As a matter of perspective, I think spending money on our country in pretty much nearly any manner is better than spending money on the war in Iraq. But, that's just me. :shrug:
 

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Wow, more really old news resurfacing, and note the comparison to the Iraq war. The right still trying to justify a war by changing the subject. This distortion of the truth began on February 14, Obama 3 weeks into office. Funny, I saw no new bills during that period.

I guess I'll once again have to get the truth out. In 2000, the year before Bush became President, the Federal government spent approximately $171.38 billion in welfare programs. When he left in 2008, the amount was approximately $313.42 billion. Percentage increase: 82.9%. The Budget Office projects a 19.1% increase over the next 6 years.

Right wingers act like nothing bad ever happened before Obama - Bush trillion dollar deficit and record pork barrel spending by the right. Short memory.
I might add, the czar thing sure got quiet after posting Bussh's Czars. The party of NO continues to attack with no solutions. Just say no and stall, hoping for votes in the next election. We have a moral and financial issue with health care, with costs driving deficit spending, yet no imput from the rebs, only criticism 24/7.

So true, I went to the Cowboys opener this past weekend..being from Jersey and not from Texas(although i am a cowboy fan) when Bush was lead out on the field, I yelled and screamed like I was home...the looks I got from some of the other spectators were frightening...I even had one guy say...you sit here and boo but you cant name 5 things Bush has done for this country..I said I have 2 then you fill in 3 more...he agreed. SO I said he sent us to war on lies and shold be locked up for it but he stands before our very eyes now, then I said my second one would be that he took a surplus that was left to him and put the nation in a tremendous debt. He cut his eyes at me and said CLINTON put us in debt! and didnt speak to me any longer:142smilie
It would be nice to see everyone (that would include government at all levels) stop the bullshitting and get on to the rebuilding and re vitalization of America. I guess as long as you have a dream you have a reason to live
 

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Spending more money on helping people than killing them, what have we done?
 

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Keep helping people is better than killing them? HMMMMM Why dont they get off their ass n get a damn job...Oh you say there isnt any jobs....what about the 3-5 million jobs Obama promised in his election (where are they?) There are jobs out there but just not the jobs you may want to take because they are less pay....hmmmmm take 2 jobs for equal pay and get off welfare and stop feeding off my ass to pay your welfare. Get the damn illegals out of the USA and you will save billions who are welfare. They are taking the jobs you as Americans said wouldnt do...Oh you will do them to feed your family. And to finally answer your question as to why go to war and kill them.....WELL PEOPLE they are here....yep in the USA and ready to cut your damn head off. Better off lets give the damn terrorist welfare why they are here so they wont S T A R V E.....FUK That....Give the military free range to put their training to work even if it calls for TORTURE. Many of you in here dont need as much welfare as your getting to feed your FATASS.
 

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OH THEY ARE NOT HERE IN THE USA ???? An Afghan immigrant who received explosives training from al-Qaida went from one beauty supply store to another, buying up large quantities of hydrogen peroxide and nail-polish remover, in a chilling plot to build bombs for attacks on U.S. soil, authorities charged Thursday.

Najibullah Zazi, a 24-year-old shuttle driver at the Denver airport, was indicted in New York on charges of conspiracy to use weapons of mass destruction. Investigators said they found bomb-making instructions on his computer's hard drive and said Zazi used a hotel room in Colorado to try to cook up explosives a few weeks ago before a trip to New York.

The extent of Zazi's ties to al-Qaida was unclear, but if the allegations prove true, this could be the first operating al-Qaida cell to be uncovered inside the U.S. since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. Over the past few days, talk of the possible plot set off the most intense flurry of national terrorism warnings since the aftermath of 9/11. Prosecutors said they have yet to establish exactly when and where the Zazi attacks were supposed to take place. But Attorney General Eric Holder said in Washington, "We believe any imminent threat arising from this case has been disrupted."

Zazi was arrested in Denver last weekend and was charged along with his father and a New York City imam with lying to investigators. Authorities said in the past few days that they feared Zazi and others might have been planning to detonate homemade bombs on New York trains, and warnings went out to transit systems, stadiums and hotels nationwide.

Explosives built with hydrogen peroxide killed 52 people four years ago in the London transit system. They are easy to conceal and detonate, and last week's warnings asked authorities to be on the lookout for them.

Zazi left a Denver court Thursday without commenting and will be transferred soon to New York. He and his lawyer have denied he is a terrorist. LMFAO yeah right
 
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Sheez lots of name calling and bantering--out of curiousity is anyone disputing the crux of article--
President Obama?s welfare spending will reach $888 billion in a single fiscal year--2010--more than the Bush administration spent on war in Iraq from the first ?shock and awe? attack in 2003 until Bush left office in January.

-or can we archive that as a bonifide fax.
:0corn
 

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LMAO @ Trampled underfoot

LMAO @ Trampled underfoot

This guy posts statemnts such as IDIOT....COCKSUCKERS LMAO when he has no logic to come back with. When confronted, his 7th grade education cannot comprehend to put forth such a thought. When your Liberal mind cannnot think of a logical statemnt, you resort to name calling.....It's all the same and I expected nothing more from you trampled underfoot. How about another bong hit?:mj07:

Watch now....He will try to combat this with one of his 7th grade or maybe even a G.E.D. statement...cant wait for this:mj07: :mj07: :mj07:
 

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Sheez lots of name calling and bantering--out of curiousity is anyone disputing the crux of article--
President Obama?s welfare spending will reach $888 billion in a single fiscal year--2010--more than the Bush administration spent on war in Iraq from the first ?shock and awe? attack in 2003 until Bush left office in January.

-or can we archive that as a bonifide fax.
:0corn

Guess you mistakenly missed my post from the Budget Office above. I didn't realize I needed to post again. Quite on the Czar post I see. It would best if you continue to ignore, as I have the list of Czars for Nixon and Reagon too.
 

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Guess you mistakenly missed my post from the Budget Office above. I didn't realize I needed to post again. Quite on the Czar post I see. It would best if you continue to ignore, as I have the list of Czars for Nixon and Reagon too.

I see you are on the czar thing again--
I figured when I put up link where they tried to imply ever person appointed in GW's8 years was a czar--but eveidently you bit on the huffers =again

Ok My job to list every O czar and appointed his salary.

Your job to do same on all these GW
positions" you quote huffington post on.

Deal??? I didn't fucking think so.

--now back to thread title ya all trying to change subject on--

Obama will spend more on Welfare nx yr than Bush did for entire Iraq war
 
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Guess you mistakenly missed my post from the Budget Office above.


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kc

you relly dont think DTB Gumby actually reads any posts.

he just posts what he is thinking about
 

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I see you are on the czar thing again--
I figured when I put up link where they tried to imply ever person appointed in GW's8 years was a czar--but eveidently you bit on the huffers =again

Ok My job to list every O czar and appointed his salary.

Your job to do same on all these GW
positions" you quote huffington post on.

Deal??? I didn't fucking think so.

--now back to thread title ya all trying to change subject on--

Obama will spend more on Welfare nx yr than Bush did for entire Iraq war
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Do me a favor and list all the welfare payments that you put in this category and then post the welfare payments every year for the last 20 years and the Presidents involved.

Yeh I didnt think so .

Didnt you ever watch Dragnet ?

Its the facts Gumby just the facts.
 
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