Bob Dole

[kcwolf]

The tide is turning, thanks to Democratic Party grassroots writing to their senators. Independents are also starting to weigh in. Fringe town hall stupity, backed by Dick Armey's Freedomworks is backfiring. Anyone with any sense could see what insurance companies have been doing. Just wasn't sure it was going to turn with health companies spending a million/day to fight it.

As I have said before, the health of the American people should come on a non-profit basis. Medical company greed caused it, not thinking about the future of their own emplyees, let alone American citizens. I see where Wellpoint is cutting insurance benefits of their employees now. Go figure

Former Senate Majority Leader Bob Dole (R-Kans.) told a group of local Kansas reporters on Wednesday, that opposition to the president's health care package had been driven by knee-jerk partisanship and urged Congressional Republicans to get on board a version of reform.

The 1996 Republican presidential candidate also predicted, following a speech at a health care reform summit in Kansas, that "there will be a signing ceremony" for a reform bill sometime this year or early in 2010.

But the comments that seem likely to create the most ripples were those that dealt with congressional opposition to the White House. Dole, according to reports, framed the pushback to Barack Obama's reform agenda as almost perfunctory in nature.

"Sometimes people fight you just to fight you," he said, according to The Kansas City Star. "They don't want Reagan to get it, they don't want Obama to get it, so we've got to kill it...

"Health care is one of those things," he added. "Now we've got to do something."

 

[gardenweasel]

show me where it says in the constitution that "healthcare" is a "right" to be provided by "the government" to the people.....("the government" meaning taking money from the "producers" and giving to the non-productive..i.e. wealth redistribution)...

thanks...

 

[Hard Times]

Weasel

Weasel

show me where it says in the constitution that "healthcare" is a "right" to be provided by "the government" to the people.....("the government" meaning taking money from the "producers" and giving to the non-productive..i.e. wealth redistribution)...

thanks...

I can't read the constitution for George Bush used it to wipe his ass .
I pray that there is a GOD and the day comes that you have a chance to answer to God and explain how you could and would denounce a cure or a remedy for the sick, old and young alike, people in such pain that they wish to die.With you in control they would surely die.
You need God in your life,then your answer would surely change.

 

[hedgehog]

I immediately thought viagra when I saw bob dole:SIB

 

[Trench]

I can't read the constitution for George Bush used it to wipe his ass .
I pray that there is a GOD and the day comes that you have a chance to answer to God and explain how you could and would denounce a cure or a remedy for the sick, old and young alike, people in such pain that they wish to die.With you in control they would surely die.
You need God in your life,then your answer would surely change.

Well said Hard Times. YOU, my friend, are an American.

show me where it says in the constitution that "healthcare" is a "right" to be provided by "the government" to the people

1) It's covered in the Preamble to the Declaration of Independence:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

2) It says it in the Preamble to the Constitution:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

3) It provides Congress the power to lay and collect taxes to provide for the general Welfare of the United States in Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution:

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States.

Q.E.D. I should think.

 

[Terryray]

"Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated." - Thomas Jefferson, 1798

James Madison (Feb 7, 1792) even better:

?If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare, and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare, they may take the care of religion into their own hands; they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish and pay them out of their public treasury; they may take into their own hands the education of children, establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union; they may assume the provision of the poor; they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads; in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation down to the most minute object of police, would be thrown under the power of Congress....Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America: and what inferences, or what what consequences ensue from such a step, it is encumbent upon us all to consider.?

I have considered consequences of no theoretical checks on goverment power to tax and spend, hence my advocacy of limited goverment.


"There are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations."

-- James Madison, speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 16, 1788

 

[gardenweasel]

"Congress has not unlimited powers to provide for the general welfare, but only those specifically enumerated." - Thomas Jefferson, 1798

James Madison (Feb 7, 1792) even better:

?If Congress can employ money indefinitely to the general welfare, and are the sole and supreme judges of the general welfare, they may take the care of religion into their own hands; they may appoint teachers in every State, county and parish and pay them out of their public treasury; they may take into their own hands the education of children, establishing in like manner schools throughout the Union; they may assume the provision of the poor; they may undertake the regulation of all roads other than post-roads; in short, every thing, from the highest object of state legislation down to the most minute object of police, would be thrown under the power of Congress....Were the power of Congress to be established in the latitude contended for, it would subvert the very foundations, and transmute the very nature of the limited Government established by the people of America: and what inferences, or what what consequences ensue from such a step, it is encumbent upon us all to consider.?

I have considered consequences of no theoretical checks on goverment power to tax and spend, hence my advocacy of limited goverment.


"There are more instances of the abridgment of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations."

-- James Madison, speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 16, 1788

well quoted....

another quote that applies to our liberal brethren on the forum...

"A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always depend on the support of Paul."

George Bernard Shaw.....

/true dat,g.b.s....

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

another one i like--


A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have -- Thomas Jefferson