Chairman Steele

[kcwolf]

The considerable amount of support for health care reform among physicians has prompted a response from Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele. Speaking on Fox (of course) Steele said, ?The AMA is?does not have the credibility on this health care issue, as they would like to project.? This division between physicians and the Republican Party is a welcome change.

Who do you trust on health care issues?doctors or the Republican Party?

 

[Skulnik]

KC, read this article about the AMA if you want the other opinion.

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/20090615_the_ama_does_not_represent_us/

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

The considerable amount of support for health care reform among physicians has prompted a response from Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele. Speaking on Fox (of course) Steele said, ?The AMA is?does not have the credibility on this health care issue, as they would like to project.? This division between physicians and the Republican Party is a welcome change.

Who do you trust on health care issues?doctors or the Republican Party?

What support by which Doctors--

President passes out white coats for photo op...

--and what was that about trust of reb party
--and You forgot about the nurses he pulled in from SEIU union--

--not trying to rain on your parade Wayne--but but in this field for 25 years and O's flagrant misrepresentaions/outright lies are taking their toll.

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[Chadman]

Or, more like who do you trust, doctors or insurance companies? Leave it to the leader of the Republican party to claim doctors (which I would assume lean HEAVILY to the republican party) and the American Medical Association are not credible when it comes to the health care issue.

Clearly, the only organizations the republicans consider credible on this issue are big pharma, major medical providers, and insurance companies. You know, the guys that pay their way and all...

Wayne, I see you are ridiculing the doctors being invited to the White House to discuss this issue. Wondering who they were are how they were picked. I think it's admirable to invite doctors there to discuss things - much different than last administration who hid behind closed doors with select few energy corp millionaires to script our energy policy, huh?

Guess it's all a matter of perspective, huh?

 

[Trench]

Wayne, I see you are ridiculing the doctors being invited to the White House to discuss this issue. Wondering who they were are how they were picked. I think it's admirable to invite doctors there to discuss things - much different than last administration who hid behind closed doors with select few energy corp millionaires to script our energy policy, huh?

Guess it's all a matter of perspective, huh?

Ya see Chad, only someone with a warped and frustrated mind like Linus could turn something as innocuous as handing out lab coats to MD's for a photo at the White House into something nefarious and diabolical.

After all, Linus is our resident Mr. Potter...

"George Bailey, I demand to know why lab coats were handed out to DOCTORS!"

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Or, more like who do you trust, doctors or insurance companies? Leave it to the leader of the Republican party to claim doctors (which I would assume lean HEAVILY to the republican party) and the American Medical Association are not credible when it comes to the health care issue.

Clearly, the only organizations the republicans consider credible on this issue are big pharma, major medical providers, and insurance companies. You know, the guys that pay their way and all...

Wayne, I see you are ridiculing the doctors being invited to the White House to discuss this issue. Wondering who they were are how they were picked. I think it's admirable to invite doctors there to discuss things - much different than last administration who hid behind closed doors with select few energy corp millionaires to script our energy policy, huh?

Guess it's all a matter of perspective, huh?

Not ridiculing them Chad--but chastising white house on their "transparency" techniques.

I always value KC's input (as well as yours)as a straight shooter and thought that projecting that drs were in favor was a little one sided. We have the opposite from investor Daily article below--and my opinion the truth is somewhere in between.

45% Of Doctors Would Consider Quitting If Congress Passes Health Care Overhaul

By TERRY JONES, INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILYPosted 09/15/2009 07:09 PM ET

IBD Exclusive Series:
Condition Critical: What Doctors Think About Health Reform
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Two of every three practicing physicians oppose the medical overhaul plan under consideration in Washington, and hundreds of thousands would think about shutting down their practices or retiring early if it were adopted, a new IBD/TIPP Poll has found
The poll contradicts the claims of not only the White House, but also doctors' own lobby ? the powerful American Medical Association ? both of which suggest the medical profession is behind the proposed overhaul.
It also calls into question whether an overhaul is even doable; 72% of the doctors polled disagree with the administration's claim that the government can cover 47 million more people with better-quality care at lower cost.
The IBD/TIPP Poll was conducted by mail the past two weeks, with 1,376 practicing physicians chosen randomly throughout the country taking part. Responses are still coming in, and doctors' positions on related topics ? including the impact of an overhaul on senior care, medical school applications and drug development ? will be covered later in this series.
Major findings included:
?Two-thirds, or 65%, of doctors say they oppose the proposed government expansion plan. This contradicts the administration's claims that doctors are part of an "unprecedented coalition" supporting a medical overhaul.

It also differs with findings of a poll released Monday by National Public Radio that suggests a "majority of physicians want public and private insurance options," and clashes with media reports such as Tuesday's front-page story in the Los Angeles Times with the headline "Doctors Go For Obama's Reform."
Nowhere in the Times story does it say doctors as a whole back the overhaul. It says only that the AMA ? the "association representing the nation's physicians" and what "many still regard as the country's premier lobbying force" ? is "lobbying and advertising to win public support for President Obama's sweeping plan."
The AMA, in fact, represents approximately 18% of physicians and has been hit with a number of defections by members opposed to the AMA's support of Democrats' proposed health care overhaul.
?Four of nine doctors, or 45%, said they "would consider leaving their practice or taking an early retirement" if Congress passes the plan the Democratic majority and White House have in mind.
More than 800,000 doctors were practicing in 2006, the government says. Projecting the poll's finding onto that population, 360,000 doctors would consider quitting.

 

[Chadman]

Think you shoot straight, too, Wayne, but was thinking it was an opportunity to hear from some doctors on a tough issue. I don't know the gist of the get together, but hope it was more than a photo op.

Oh, and here we go again with that hollow "45% of all doctors will consider getting out of the business" business. That's complete hogwash, and I think most can see through that. I doubt we'll see any of our local doctors working as a greeter at Wal-Mart any time soon.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

This story just keeps getting better--


Spin doctors for Obamacare
by Michelle Malkin
Creators Syndicate
Copyright 2009
Lights, camera, agitprop! The curtains opened on yet another artfully-staged performance of Obamacare Theater this week. One hundred and fifty doctors took their places on the plush lawn outside the West Wing ? many acting like Twilight groupies with cameras instead of credible medical professionals. The president approved the scenery: ?I am thrilled to have all of you here today, and you look very spiffy in your coats.?
White House wardrobe assistants guaranteed the ?spiffy.? As the New York Post?s Charles Hurt reported, the physicians ?were told to bring their white lab coats to make sure that TV cameras captured the image.? President Obama?s aides hastily handed out costumes to those who came in suits or dresses before the doc-and-pony show began.
But while Halloween came early to the Potomac, these partisan single-payer activists in White House-supplied clothing aren?t fooling anyone.
Obama?s spin doctors belong to a group called ?Doctors for America? (DFA), which reportedly supplied the white lab coats. The White House event was organized in conjunction with DFA and Organizing for America, Obama?s campaign outfit. OFA and DFA are behind a massive new Obamacare ad campaign, letter-writing campaign, and doctor recruitment campaign. The supposedly ?grass-roots,? non-profit DFA is a spin-off of Doctors for Obama, a 2008 campaign arm that aggressively pushed the Democrats? government health care takeover. DFA claims to have thousands of members with a ?variety of backgrounds.? But there?s little diversity in their views on socialized medicine (98 percent want a taxpayer-funded public insurance option) ? or in their political contributions.
DFA president and co-founder Dr. Vivek Murthy, an internal medicine physician at Brigham and Women?s Hospital and an Instructor at Harvard Medical School, served as a member of the Obama Health Policy Advisory Committee and the Obama New England Steering Committee during the 2008 presidential campaign.
DFA vice president Dr. Alice Chen of Los Angeles is an Obama donor and avowed supporter of Organizing for America, Obama?s campaign shop run by the Democratic National Committee. On Monday, she posted on the OFA website with an appeal to Democrat activists for letters to the editor in support of Obama?s ?health care reform.?
DFA ?senior adviser? Jacob Hacker is an Obamacare architect who laughed at criticism of the plan being a Trojan Horse for single payer coverage. ?It?s not a Trojan Horse, right? he retorted at a far Left Tides Foundation conference on health care. ?It?s just right there! I?m telling you. We?re going to get there.?

And here?s a brief political donation history of other top DFA docs compiled by Brian Faughnan at theconservatives.com:
Dr. Hershey Garner (who stood on stage with Obama at the White House event): more than $10,000 in donations to Democratic candidates since 2001.
Dr. Winfred Parnell: More than $5,700 in donations to Democrats since 2001.
Dr. Michael Newman: $4,550 in donations to Democrats since 2001.
Dr. Boyd Shook: $3,500 in donations to Democrats since 2002.
Dr. Jan Sarnecki: $3,400 in donations to Democrats since 2004.
Dr. Amanda McKinney (who also flanked Obama at the White House event): $2,750 in donations to Democratic candidates since 2001.
Dr. Tracy Nelson: $1,500 in donations to Barack Obama.
Dr. Stanton McKenna: $1,000 in donations to Democrats since 2001.
Dr. Jason Schneider: $600 in donations to Democrats since 2001.
Dr. Biron Baker: $500 donated to Barack Obama last year.
Dr. Nick Perencevich: $500 in donations to Democrats since 2008.
Dr. Elaine Bradshaw: $500 in donations to Barack Obama last year.
Who unveiled ?Doctors for America? earlier this spring? No, not ordinary citizens outside the Beltway. The decidedly un-grass-roots sponsors of the Doctors for America launch were Democrat Sen. Max Baucus, chair of the Senate Finance Committee, and the left-wing Center for American Progress (which is run by liberal operative John Podesta and underwritten by far Left billionaire George Soros).
As I?ve noted before, CAP is a lead organization in the Health Care Action Now coalition, the Astroturfed ?grass-roots? lobbying group for Obama?s health care takeover legislation run out of 1825 K Street in Washington, D.C. with a $40 million budget. CAP is also the parent group of Think Progress, the far Left website leading the smear campaign against fiscal conservative activists who protested at congressional town halls this summer. And several CAP alumni are now leading the Obamacare push at the Department of Health and Human Services, including special HHS assistant Michael Halle and HHS director Jeanne Lambrew, a former senior fellow at the Center for American Progress who worked on health policy in the Clinton Administration. CAP/HCAN?s most recent initiative? Bussing protesters to the private homes of health care executives last week to bully them over the public option ? even as many health care executives line the pockets of Obama administration officials and allies lobbying on their behalf.
It?s all in keeping with the elaborate Kabuki productions that have marked Team Obama?s efforts to manufacture support for government-run health care. They?ve been doctoring it up from Day One.

 

[Trench]

This story just keeps getting better--

Spin doctors for Obamacare
by Michelle Malkin

Linus, are you sweet on Michelle? :kiss:

 

[pd1]

This story just keeps getting better--


Spin doctors for Obamacare
by Michelle Malkin
Creators Syndicate
Copyright 2009
Lights, camera, agitprop! The curtains opened on yet another artfully-staged performance of Obamacare Theater this week. One hundred and fifty doctors took their places on the plush lawn outside the West Wing ? many acting like Twilight groupies with cameras instead of credible medical professionals. The president approved the scenery: ?I am thrilled to have all of you here today, and you look very spiffy in your coats.?
White House wardrobe assistants guaranteed the ?spiffy.? As the New York Post?s Charles Hurt reported, the physicians ?were told to bring their white lab coats to make sure that TV cameras captured the image.? President Obama?s aides hastily handed out costumes to those who came in suits or dresses before the doc-and-pony show began.
But while Halloween came early to the Potomac, these partisan single-payer activists in White House-supplied clothing aren?t fooling anyone.
Obama?s spin doctors belong to a group called ?Doctors for America? (DFA), which reportedly supplied the white lab coats. The White House event was organized in conjunction with DFA and Organizing for America, Obama?s campaign outfit. OFA and DFA are behind a massive new Obamacare ad campaign, letter-writing campaign, and doctor recruitment campaign. The supposedly ?grass-roots,? non-profit DFA is a spin-off of Doctors for Obama, a 2008 campaign arm that aggressively pushed the Democrats? government health care takeover. DFA claims to have thousands of members with a ?variety of backgrounds.? But there?s little diversity in their views on socialized medicine (98 percent want a taxpayer-funded public insurance option) ? or in their political contributions.
DFA president and co-founder Dr. Vivek Murthy, an internal medicine physician at Brigham and Women?s Hospital and an Instructor at Harvard Medical School, served as a member of the Obama Health Policy Advisory Committee and the Obama New England Steering Committee during the 2008 presidential campaign.
DFA vice president Dr. Alice Chen of Los Angeles is an Obama donor and avowed supporter of Organizing for America, Obama?s campaign shop run by the Democratic National Committee. On Monday, she posted on the OFA website with an appeal to Democrat activists for letters to the editor in support of Obama?s ?health care reform.?
DFA ?senior adviser? Jacob Hacker is an Obamacare architect who laughed at criticism of the plan being a Trojan Horse for single payer coverage. ?It?s not a Trojan Horse, right? he retorted at a far Left Tides Foundation conference on health care. ?It?s just right there! I?m telling you. We?re going to get there.?

And here?s a brief political donation history of other top DFA docs compiled by Brian Faughnan at theconservatives.com:
Dr. Hershey Garner (who stood on stage with Obama at the White House event): more than $10,000 in donations to Democratic candidates since 2001.
Dr. Winfred Parnell: More than $5,700 in donations to Democrats since 2001.
Dr. Michael Newman: $4,550 in donations to Democrats since 2001.
Dr. Boyd Shook: $3,500 in donations to Democrats since 2002.
Dr. Jan Sarnecki: $3,400 in donations to Democrats since 2004.
Dr. Amanda McKinney (who also flanked Obama at the White House event): $2,750 in donations to Democratic candidates since 2001.
Dr. Tracy Nelson: $1,500 in donations to Barack Obama.
Dr. Stanton McKenna: $1,000 in donations to Democrats since 2001.
Dr. Jason Schneider: $600 in donations to Democrats since 2001.
Dr. Biron Baker: $500 donated to Barack Obama last year.
Dr. Nick Perencevich: $500 in donations to Democrats since 2008.
Dr. Elaine Bradshaw: $500 in donations to Barack Obama last year.
Who unveiled ?Doctors for America? earlier this spring? No, not ordinary citizens outside the Beltway. The decidedly un-grass-roots sponsors of the Doctors for America launch were Democrat Sen. Max Baucus, chair of the Senate Finance Committee, and the left-wing Center for American Progress (which is run by liberal operative John Podesta and underwritten by far Left billionaire George Soros).
As I?ve noted before, CAP is a lead organization in the Health Care Action Now coalition, the Astroturfed ?grass-roots? lobbying group for Obama?s health care takeover legislation run out of 1825 K Street in Washington, D.C. with a $40 million budget. CAP is also the parent group of Think Progress, the far Left website leading the smear campaign against fiscal conservative activists who protested at congressional town halls this summer. And several CAP alumni are now leading the Obamacare push at the Department of Health and Human Services, including special HHS assistant Michael Halle and HHS director Jeanne Lambrew, a former senior fellow at the Center for American Progress who worked on health policy in the Clinton Administration. CAP/HCAN?s most recent initiative? Bussing protesters to the private homes of health care executives last week to bully them over the public option ? even as many health care executives line the pockets of Obama administration officials and allies lobbying on their behalf.
It?s all in keeping with the elaborate Kabuki productions that have marked Team Obama?s efforts to manufacture support for government-run health care. They?ve been doctoring it up from Day One.

$200 - $500 a year is a lot to donate for a doctor. I would not be at all surprised if they hadn't donated twice that to the republican party.

 

[Chadman]

Okay, thanks for posting Malkin's political opinion on the issue. I wouldn't have expected anything else. But what I didn't see were any challenges to the doctor's credentials, or reasoning for wanting healthcare reform. Unless I'm missing something, these are all doctors, and are for healthcare reform. Many of them are for a single payer option.

This begs the question, what do these 150 or so doctors have to gain by their position? Do you think they would have this position, if they felt it would hurt them or their business? One thing that seems pretty clear is that these must not be among the group of hysterical doctors that will be considering quitting their practices and looking for new careers if healthcare reform is enacted.

The best Malkin can come up with is one doctor who donated a total of "more than $10,000" (how much more... what, $5 or $10?) to multiple candidates in the past 10 years or so? Many on her list were at $500 or so? One of them was listed at $600 for various candidates since 2001?

Wow... clearly, these doctors are greasing the skids, evidently to cut their own throats. Slow news day, Michelle/Wayne?

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Chad I don't think the Dr's donations and affiliations are opinions.

My point is very simple--

Had I only seen O's skit with DR's on tv and only read and listened to drive by media--I would not have been aware event was staged down to not only who was there but what they wore--

bottom line- I'd been punked with much of the rest of population --

Thus my purpose of posting it--not to get on KC's case but to make you aware of a few pertinent details.
We report -you decide

 

[Chadman]

I didn't say one thing about the donations being an opinion. The fact that she wrote about them - and looking at how much they were for completely undermines how important they were. Is that simple enough?

The details of what you are wanting to point out are understood, and I agree it seems it was mostly a photo op. My points still stand, and I think are a more important issue - doctors who are for reform, many who are for single payer - and your ongoing point seems to be that reform and single payer will destroy the doctor profession.

I've never considered doctors to be stupid, and seems to me that if they were for something that supposedly would really hurt them or drive them out of of their careers and into being Wal-Mart greeters (or another profession...) that they would be rather stupid.

It just doesn't add up? Why would these people be for these things? What do they have to gain, by being public - especially considering they have donated SO LITTLE to Obama and the democrats over the years?

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