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the FAT BOBBY KNIGHT of college football??? :142smilie :mj07:

Don't get me wrong, I'm not making light of what he has done, I think some of it is way overboard and he needs to be gone, but Bobby Knight is lucky he was born when he was!! As great as Bobby was, that man was no saint! He would be in prison if he was coaching these days... with all the technology.
 

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I probably shouldn't even comment about this, as I haven't heard all the fact s, please correct me if there is something I missed.
What I have heard, is Mangino got in the face of a player who was clowning around at practice. And he put his index finger in his chest.
I see a huge difference between discipline and abuse, and that's where the issue hinges. Again without all the specifics it's hard to comment accurately.
Unfortunately I see many kids age (17-22) needing some disciplinE, (see case in Tennessee this week).
Everything seemed great in Lawrence couple years ago, everyone was blowing Mangino' s horn, things were great. Bobby Knight had a long long history of continued abuse going back many years if not decades, Mangino deserves some time before he is categorized with Bobby.
 

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the FAT BOBBY KNIGHT of college football??? :142smilie :mj07:

Don't get me wrong, I'm not making light of what he has done, I think some of it is way overboard and he needs to be gone, but Bobby Knight is lucky he was born when he was!! As great as Bobby was, that man was no saint! He would be in prison if he was coaching these days... with all the technology.

I would compare him more to Rick Majerus who had some of the same issues at Utah.
 

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I probably shouldn't even comment about this, as I haven't heard all the fact s, please correct me if there is something I missed.
What I have heard, is Mangino got in the face of a player who was clowning around at practice. And he put his index finger in his chest.
I see a huge difference between discipline and abuse, and that's where the issue hinges. Again without all the specifics it's hard to comment accurately.
Unfortunately I see many kids age (17-22) needing some disciplinE, (see case in Tennessee this week).
Everything seemed great in Lawrence couple years ago, everyone was blowing Mangino' s horn, things were great. Bobby Knight had a long long history of continued abuse going back many years if not decades, Mangino deserves some time before he is categorized with Bobby.
Agree 100%. If all he did was put a finger in the chest of an nfl player, who gives a shit. Fuckers shouldn't be clowning around they are an embarrassment to their city and themselves. Good for him!
 

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Whitlock's take.......

Posted on Wed, Nov. 18, 2009
Mangino is an abusive bully
By JASON WHITLOCK
The Kansas City Star


Reducing the Mark Mangino controversy to a ?poke in the chest? is an exercise in denial and/or na?vet?.

Defenders of Mangino want to cast Kansas linebacker Arist Wright as a wimp and a Judas for complaining that Mangino allegedly shoved him in the chest during a practice confrontation. Simple-minded tough guys want to laugh off Wright?s allegation because football is a brutal game and coaches should be allowed to push and shove their players within reason.

The defenders and the tough guys can?t see the big picture.

Mark Mangino is an abusive bully. He?s been one from the moment he stepped on campus at Kansas. He used bully tactics to build a winning football team in 2007 and intimidate anyone on campus who dared to stand in his way.

I don?t really have a problem with bullies. They?re effective and many times their ends justify their means.

Abusive bullies are dangerous, and leaders of institutions and members of the media have an obligation to stand up to them.

There?s a reported and unreported pattern of abusive, out-of-control behavior attached to Mangino?s eight-season tenure at Kansas.

On Wednesday, the Lawrence Journal-World reported on Mangino?s profanity-laced run-in with the parking police on KU?s campus. The police repeatedly ticketed Mangino for parking in a loading zone next to his old office. Mangino didn?t like it and berated one of his ticket-givers.

I?m not going to belabor the point I made in my column Wednesday, but you can surmise the primary reason Mangino illegally parked next to his office day after day.

Also on Wednesday, a former Kansas running back, Jocques Crawford, tweeted that he left the KU football program because he couldn?t deal with Mangino?s mentally and physically abusive coaching style.

You can, if inclined, dismiss Crawford?s complaints, too. Crawford quit the team. You can say he wasn?t tough enough to make it at KU. That?s the culture of football and the culture of men. We?re not supposed to complain. We?re supposed to treat everything that doesn?t kill us as something that makes us stronger.

There?s an element of truth in the latter. But there?s also a lot of truth in this: Some coaches go way too far and need to be shut down before they embarrass themselves and the institution they represent. Some coaches cross the line from tough love to mean-spirited nastiness because they?re too lazy or simple to try anything else.

How many on-the-record stories must surface about Mangino before intelligent people conclude there is a serious problem? Do you think it was easy for Wright to come forward? A male athlete verbalizing his concerns about abuse from a coach is nearly as difficult as a woman reporting a date rape.

It?s just a poke in the chest. She must?ve asked for it.

From his problem with his son?s high school refs to his problems retaining assistant coaches to his difficulty treating parking police with respect, Mangino sounds like the football version of Bobby Knight.

Indiana University should?ve dealt with Knight?s anger issues long before he was captured on tape chopping one of his players in the neck.

You can coach football and basketball at a high level without treating young people like they?re lab animals unworthy of common respect.

I went through the Mangino experience my first two years as a football player at Ball State. I was immature, cocky and clueless about the effort required to compete at the Division I level. My position coach, Dave Magazu, tried to shame me into competing at a higher level. He was verbally abusive. I hated him. I still do. He left for a new job, and my new position coach, Lawrence Cooley, tried a completely different approach. He befriended me. He still yelled and screamed and coached hard. But he did it with respect. It worked. I played better and helped the team the next two years.

But I never loved the game after Magazu. I couldn?t get past the fact that my head coach, Paul Schudel, showed more respect to the obvious steroid cheats and bad characters. I didn?t play my fifth year because I wanted to write for the school newspaper more than I wanted to play a game I no longer loved.

Kansas can do better than the current Mark Mangino. And, as I said in my Wednesday column, Mark Mangino has far more to offer a major university after he addresses all of the problems causing him to coach and represent KU in an undignified manner.
 

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I guess he also had a player who had an alcoholic father and mentioned it in a meeting with the coach in privite and was going to school to be a lawyer. He then in the middle of the team called out the player and said do you want to become a lawyer or end up like your drunk father!! Heard this on SVP show. CLASS ACT
 

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HE ALSO BERATED ONE OF HIS PLAYERS WHO HAD JUST LOST HIS GRANDMOTHER AND MENTIONED IT OUT LOUD WHILE HAVING THE PLAYER AND OTHERS WHO VIOLATED A TEAM RULES DO EXTRA DRILLS AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN MADE REFERANCE TO THE PLAYERS GRANDMOTHER WHOM HAD PASSED AWAY. ABSOLUTELY CROSSING THE LINE. THER'S WAY MORE HERE THAN ONE POKE IN THE CHEST. NOW THAT IT'S ALLOUT THERE HE'S DONE! OUTA HERE!!
 

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Did anyone see OUTSIDE THE LINES on ESPN?

Did anyone see OUTSIDE THE LINES on ESPN?

It's available at Twitter.com or ESPN, somewhere they have it. THAT'S what I'm talking about...

He told one kid whose younger brother had been recently killed by gangs in STL, "I'll send you back to STL so you can get shot by your homies"

:eek: not cool... :nono:

told another kid from the streets of OAKLAND,

"I'll send you back to the ghetto where in six months you'll be drinking out of a paper bag!"

He uses personal things, stuff these kids have confided in him and the coaching staff and blares it at them in front of everyone. Not cool.... not saying he's physically abusive, but he's verbally, mentally, and emotionally NOT a MENTOR.

Not disagreeing that kids today need discipline, but they don't need abuse. You can motivate them in other ways than embarrassing them with private situations....
 

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As a coach for many years in college (13) and the minors (2) I have never been around a head coach or had asst. coaches who were abusive on a personal level. You just can't act that way as a coach, it is the fastest way to lose a team. no other way is faster i don't care how much you win.

I have been around many coaches who were tough guys I myself took the tough guy approach more then the easy guy . if you are the easy guy your looked at as soft and either lose repect of the players and team or you never had it in the first place. That being said you also give praise when it is due . you also need to have the player and teams best intrest in mind. players need to know you really care about them and want the best for them and the team.

You never single out a player infront of the team you do that behind closed doors in your office, you also don't berate a player or get personal with them, you lay the law out or tell them what is wrong in a stern but constructive manner. You can raise you voice but never cross the line by putting a player down. Personal attacks do you no good , by crossing that line you open yourself up for amajor pain in the ass which will come back to bite you back. not only by player but by university staff , the AD, pres.of student affaires, dean of students, board of trustrees, and the loving media who lives to get a coach on the hot seat 70% of the time, makes for good news papers sale.

Lot of other coaching tactics that can be used by coach to get a point across to the players with-out being abusive, you never want to break a player mentally by personal attacks or verbal abuse.

Have been around long enough to know that you will never make it as a coach if you call out your players with abusive attacks in front of anyone or in a one on one. it just can't happen.

If what has been said is true even a small part of it, he has to go. you just can't get by with this like some did before or around the 1980's . i don't know if it is true none of us do at this time but I do know when a ex-player comes out and says something that carries a lot of weight because a player who has moved on from the program has nothing to gain with false reports of abuse and personal verbal attacks, also people not involved with the program (outsiders) when they also have stories about abuse by a coach is really a big deal to the university or the club, the biggest nail is if he did poke some players chest is the major stake in the heart. At no time, any any time is it ok for a coach to lay a hand on a player as part of their coaching tactics in getting point across as well as profanity laced verbal attacks.

Like I said we don't know the truth but enough has been brought out by more then 1 person to raise a major flag. once that flag has been raised the higher ups to be really don't have much of a choice but to take actions against the coach, which most of the time will lead to a default of contract between the university/club and the coach.

You can get your point across with-out being verbally abusive,with-out mental abuse or physical abuse or profanity laced personal attacks.
 
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