Answer the questions Holder!

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homny homny homny

bin laden tried in Fed Court.:mj07:

a bullet to the head is the only justice for him
 

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If they catch Bin Laden, they will read him miranda rights:mj07:

this administration is the joke of the world
 

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If they catch Bin Laden, they will read him miranda rights:mj07:

this administration is the joke of the world

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no we were the joke of the world when Cowboy George W and President Cheney were starting wars and making millions for them and cronies.

open your eyes hedge, before its too late

I cant believe anyone would not want a fair trial for criminals. If it were you, you would be looking for the best lawyer you could afford.
 

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no we were the joke of the world when Cowboy George W and President Cheney were starting wars and making millions for them and cronies.

open your eyes hedge, before its too late

I cant believe anyone would not want a fair trial for criminals. If it were you, you would be looking for the best lawyer you could afford.

cowboy George got the scumbags to confess
 

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Of course when Bush, Cheney and his administration were trying to get terrorists tried in federal courts, I don't remember that being an issue for Lindsey Graham, or any of the conservative apologists here... just depends on what side of the argument you are on, and when, I guess...

:shrug:
 

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Of course when Bush, Cheney and his administration were trying to get terrorists tried in federal courts, I don't remember that being an issue for Lindsey Graham, or any of the conservative apologists here... just depends on what side of the argument you are on, and when, I guess...

:shrug:
example please :0corn
 

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Yeah and let 9/11 happen on his watch.

And did not get bin laden.

And lied to the world to invade Iraq.
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Truth be known is George W wanted Saddam Husseing dead because he plotted to kill his father when he visited Kuwait that time.

I think that had the most to do with the US going into Iraq.

That and to steal their oil of course.
 

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All this other nonsense chatter in this thread aside, I just don't get what Barry and Holder are doing on this one.

First of all, KM said he wanted to plead guilty to a military tribunal and that he wanted to be executed.

That's one thing.

Then if he must be tried in the states, why NY, as has been discussed.

That's another thing.

But what really gets me is that Obama is making comments like 'once he is convicted and put to death...etc?'

And Holder saying 'this is symbolic.' Of course implying that the trial in NY is just a formality. WTF is this?

Number one, it totally fucks up the prosecution and helps the scumbag defense attorneys trying this case. Very easy to show ' can't get a fair trial' after comments like these.

Number two, it's a total contradiction to their purported motive of giving this guy a 'fair' trial. It doesn't make any sense.

It's a big show that will drag on forever, a big waste of money and a total disgrace.
 

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All this other nonsense chatter in this thread aside, I just don't get what Barry and Holder are doing on this one.

First of all, KM said he wanted to plead guilty to a military tribunal and that he wanted to be executed.

That's one thing.

Then if he must be tried in the states, why NY, as has been discussed.

That's another thing.

But what really gets me is that Obama is making comments like 'once he is convicted and put to death...etc?'

And Holder saying 'this is symbolic.' Of course implying that the trial in NY is just a formality. WTF is this?

Number one, it totally fucks up the prosecution and helps the scumbag defense attorneys trying this case. Very easy to show ' can't get a fair trial' after comments like these.

Number two, it's a total contradiction to their purported motive of giving this guy a 'fair' trial. It doesn't make any sense.

It's a big show that will drag on forever, a big waste of money and a total disgrace.

totally agree
 

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All this other nonsense chatter in this thread aside, I just don't get what Barry and Holder are doing on this one.

First of all, KM said he wanted to plead guilty to a military tribunal and that he wanted to be executed.

That's one thing.

Then if he must be tried in the states, why NY, as has been discussed.

That's another thing.

But what really gets me is that Obama is making comments like 'once he is convicted and put to death...etc?'

And Holder saying 'this is symbolic.' Of course implying that the trial in NY is just a formality. WTF is this?

Number one, it totally fucks up the prosecution and helps the scumbag defense attorneys trying this case. Very easy to show ' can't get a fair trial' after comments like these.

Number two, it's a total contradiction to their purported motive of giving this guy a 'fair' trial. It doesn't make any sense.

It's a big show that will drag on forever, a big waste of money and a total disgrace.

:toast: Exactly
 

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Travesty in New York

By Charles Krauthammer

WASHINGTON -- For late-19th-century anarchists, terrorism was the "propaganda of the deed." And the most successful propaganda-by-deed in history was 9/11 -- not just the most destructive, but the most spectacular and telegenic.
And now its self-proclaimed architect, Khalid Sheik Mohammed, has been given by the Obama administration a civilian trial in New York. Just as the memory fades, 9/11 has been granted a second life -- and KSM, a second act: "9/11, The Director's Cut," narration by KSM.

September 11, 2001 had to speak for itself. A decade later, the deed will be given voice. KSM has gratuitously been presented with the greatest propaganda platform imaginable -- a civilian trial in the media capital of the world -- from which to proclaim the glory of jihad and the criminality of infidel America.
So why is Attorney General Eric Holder doing this? Ostensibly, to demonstrate to the world the superiority of our system where the rule of law and the fair trial reign.
Really? What happens if KSM (and his co-defendants) "do not get convicted," asked Senate Judiciary Committee member Herb Kohl. "Failure is not an option," replied Holder. Not an option? Doesn't the presumption of innocence, er, presume that prosecutorial failure -- acquittal, hung jury -- is an option? By undermining that presumption, Holder is undermining the fairness of the trial, the demonstration of which is the alleged rationale for putting on this show in the first place.

Moreover, everyone knows that whatever the outcome of the trial, KSM will never walk free. He will spend the rest of his natural life in U.S. custody. Which makes the proceedings a farcical show trial from the very beginning.
Apart from the fact that any such trial will be a security nightmare and a terror threat to New York -- what better propaganda-by-deed than blowing up the entire courtroom, making KSM a martyr and making the judge, jury and spectators into fresh victims? -- it will endanger U.S. security. Civilian courts with broad rights of cross-examination and discovery give terrorists access to crucial information about intelligence sources and methods.
That's precisely what happened during the civilian New York trial of the 1993 World Trade Center bombers. The prosecution was forced to turn over to the defense a list of two hundred unindicted co-conspirators, including the name Osama bin Laden. "Within ten days, a copy of that list reached bin Laden in Khartoum," wrote former Attorney General Michael Mukasey, the presiding judge at that trial, "letting him know that his connection to that case had been discovered."
Finally, there's the moral logic. It's not as if Holder opposes military commissions on principle. On the same day he sent KSM to a civilian trial in New York, Holder announced he was sending Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, mastermind of the attack on the USS Cole, to a military tribunal.
By what logic? In his congressional testimony Wednesday, Holder was utterly incoherent in trying to explain. In his Nov. 13 news conference, he seemed to be saying that if you attack a civilian target, as in 9/11, you get a civilian trial; a military target like the Cole, and you get a military tribunal.
What a perverse moral calculus. Which is the war crime -- an attack on defenseless civilians or an attack on a military target such as a warship, an accepted act of war which the U.S. itself has engaged in countless times?
By what possible moral reasoning, then, does KSM, who perpetrates the obvious and egregious war crime, receive the special protections and constitutional niceties of a civilian courtroom, while he who attacked a warship is relegated to a military tribunal?
Moreover, the incentive offered any jihadi is as irresistible as it is perverse: Kill as many civilians as possible on American soil and Holder will give you Miranda rights, a lawyer, a propaganda platform -- everything but your own blog.
Alternatively, Holder tried to make the case that he chose a civilian New York trial as a more likely venue for securing a conviction. An absurdity: By the time Obama came to office, KSM was ready to go before a military commission, plead guilty and be executed. It's Obama who blocked a process that would have yielded the swiftest and most certain justice.
Indeed, the perfect justice. Whenever a jihadist volunteers for martyrdom, we should grant his wish. Instead, this one, the most murderous and unrepentant of all, gets to dance and declaim at the scene of his crime.
Holder himself told The Washington Post that the coming New York trial will be "the trial of the century." The last such was the trial of O.J. Simpson.
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I just can't bring myself to trust Holder on this issue.
Aside from making absolutely no sense a couple factors linger in my mind

1st it was holder that granted clemency to FALN -Fuerzas Armadas de Liberaci?n Nacional-a terrorist group of bombers that I'm sure New Yorkers remember

2nd is law firm Covington & Burling of which Holder was senior partner until taking this job.

Ironic that they been defending terrorists in Gitmo--

--a little detective work from Malikin that you certainly won't find in NYT :)

"Putting on the best terrorist defense is a Covington & Burling specialty. Among the firm?s other celebrity terrorist clients: 17 Yemenis held at the Guantanamo Bay detention facility. The law firm employed dozens of radical attorneys such as David Remes and Marc Falkoff to provide the enemy combatants with more than 3,000 hours of pro bono representation. Covington & Burling co-authored one of three petitioners? briefs filed in the Boumediene v. Bush detainee case, and secured victories for several other Gitmo enemy combatants in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit. Falkoff went on to publish a book of poetry, Poems from Guantanamo: The Detainees Speak, which he dedicated to the suspected terrorists: ?For my friends inside the wire, Mahmoad, Majid, Yasein, Saeed, Abdulsalam, Mohammed, Adnan, Jamal, Othman, Adil, Mohamed, Abdulmalik, Areef, Adeq, Farouk, Salman, and Makhtar. Inshallah, we will next meet over coffee in your homes in Yemen.?
How sweet. One of the class of Yemeni Gitmo detainees that Falkoff described as ?gentle, thoughtful young men? was released in 2005?only to blow himself up (gently and thoughtfully, of course) in a truck bombing in Mosul, Iraq, in 2008, killing 13 soldiers from the 2nd Iraqi Army division and seriously wounding 42 others. "

In fact entire article by her is quite interesting--

Culture of corruption: Holder, terrorists, Covington & Burling

By Michelle Malkin ? November 18, 2009 02:00 PM
Update: 11/19 9am?Holder hedges on GOP request for disclosure/recusal information?
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http://michellemalkin.com/
 

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what has got us in this situation is the shutting down of Guantonamo.

we got to do something with these guys.

My suggesttion is you board them all on a big Navy plane that has a rear door . Take them over the Atlantic and push them all out with their finest robes and turbans.

Problem solved in about a hour.

As you push them out tell them to swim home and dont come back.
 
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