the nets lookk like a good pik, line dropped a whole pt with 75% on dallas, u figure they have to win eventually, at home would be a good spot, any opinions are appreciated
NBA WEDNESDAY 120209-Early Thoughts and Value Hunting
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Yes Sir AX gald your on this tonight had NYK + 7 last night and I did mention that PHX had Clev on board today. Therefore I see a fast pace game and Shaq will not be a factor tonight as he is starting to feel his age.
AX would love to hear from you Sir about this NJ/Dall game. The line opened at Dall - 7 and all day it's sitting at Dall -7 and 72% of public are on the Mavs. I would love to pull the trigger on NJ Nets + 7 but just not sure which nets team will show up even though there has been a coaching change.
So far PHX +7 :toast:
Truth be told, I was looking ahead to this game before last night's PHO/NYK match up. I already had a bet in mind depending on the outcome. Also, I'm a number cruncher as most here know. I like the way the numbers worked out. One huge signal for me was the consistency of each team to score within a range. So to answer your question, without any consideration to public play, I think PHO is a good "team". I'll take points on a good team. I'm not exactly sold on CLE being a "team".
I've been wrong before.
over 40% wrong. :142smilie I have until June to get it right.BOL with your play sir.
Tough call for me GS. You're doing very well so I think you gotta ride your streak.
FWIW and IMHO it comes down to being comfortable with taking your cash out of your pocket and laying it on the New Jersey Nets.
BOL GS. Keep kickin ass.
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Tough call for me GS. You're doing very well so I think you gotta ride your streak.
FWIW and IMHO it comes down to being comfortable with taking your cash out of your pocket and laying it on the New Jersey Nets.
BOL GS. Keep kickin ass.
I hear you Sir it's always hard to take a losing team. I think I will sit this one out and watch what this new coaching change will do to this NJ team.
Thanks again Sir sent you an email :toast:
Locked in
PHX + 8
PHL (ML) I'll sprinkle a little on the $line
GLTA
It's "Back in tha Day" Night
It's "Back in tha Day" Night
There was no early NBA on TV tonight, so I thought I'd take Slicer's Clemson.
D'oh!
I watched some 1H; thought "thanks Slicer for the free lunch"; and went back to the computer.
You know it's bad when you come back in the 2H and they're referencing Kentucky-LSU from 1994.
I'll always remember being at the book at the Hilton for that game. I didn't have the game, but the guy next to me was laying 7 with UK. It was unbelievable as they came back to win from 31 down with 13:00 left (no cover though).
Anyway, it was still a good play Slicer (too good, if you know what I mean).
Secondly, what year is it when a team (Tor) puts up 26,28,30,and 31; AND CAN'T EVEN WIN A QUARTER !
It's "Back in tha Day" Night
There was no early NBA on TV tonight, so I thought I'd take Slicer's Clemson.
D'oh!
I watched some 1H; thought "thanks Slicer for the free lunch"; and went back to the computer.
You know it's bad when you come back in the 2H and they're referencing Kentucky-LSU from 1994.
I'll always remember being at the book at the Hilton for that game. I didn't have the game, but the guy next to me was laying 7 with UK. It was unbelievable as they came back to win from 31 down with 13:00 left (no cover though).
Anyway, it was still a good play Slicer (too good, if you know what I mean).
Secondly, what year is it when a team (Tor) puts up 26,28,30,and 31; AND CAN'T EVEN WIN A QUARTER !
Yeah man, I thought it was Golden once they opened up 20, figured way the crowd was running, it was over, but I've won comebacks this year down DD's @ half, and now I've gotten a payback, btw, the Clemson Tiger burning is on hold as it's pouring rain here for the next couple of days, but rest assured there will be 1 less tiger stuffed animal in my house once it stops raining. It's ok, hopefully we'll get back on track and end week 2 at 5-2 tomorrow. I'll take those weeks the rest of the season.
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One of the worst assembled rosters in recent history given all the wheeling and dealing that Colangelo has executed during his tenure.
Instead of drafting Mehmet Okur Version 2.0 in Bargnani, take Brandon Roy - the wing asset that this stumbling franchise has desperately sought since the departure of Vince Carter.
Realizing that Calderon is unable (or unwilling) to keep his man in front of him and thus puts his teammates at a disadvantage each and every time; his conservative Catholic play ensures a sparkling assist-to-turnover ratio, but is downright inept in creating chances for the team on the break - when Rudy Fernandez who comes off the bench for Portland is the second best Spaniard in the league behind Pau, you know that Calderon is no frontline point. Anytime the Raptors play a team w/ a decent point, playing the other side is always worth exploring.
Chris Bosh is mechanical - for all of his numbers, he's putting them up on a bad team; he doesn't have the physical tools some naturally gifted players possess. Has he worked on his game? Sure, but he may not occupy the zone of a franchise player which he seems to deem himself worthy.
Hiring Triano? Subpar as head coach of Canada's national team and only note of prominence was that he encouraged Steve Nash to attend Santa Clara despite recruiting him for the University of Victoria in British Columbia as well as coaching Nash for a couple of years when he played for the national side. That aside, what else? Sam Mitchell called out the Raptors for being soft p*ssies during his 1st year (and that included Wince) - he wasn't off the mark then and it rings ever more true now.
Bryan Colangelo - who's your daddy? Right, Jerry - the true brains behind Phoenix's success as well as Basketball USA. You know the aphorism "from shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three generations"? Colangelo's trying to do it in 2 re: the Colangelo legacy/brand.
Mused at the end of last season that the Raptors would do well to package some configuration of Bosh, Calderon, etc. and try to finagle a 3 way deal w/ GS and the Clippers for Anthony Randolph and Eric Gordon... Would make for a more watchable team methinks.
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Addendum -
Handing out a huge contract to a player who's likely in decline in Hedo Turkoglu; Otis Smith in Orlando is no dummy - and has quietly gone about and built one of the more robust teams of recent vintage. No wonder Matt Goukas sounds sour and snipey/snarkey a lot of the time doing commentary for the Magic's television signal.
Handing out a huge contract to a player who's likely in decline in Hedo Turkoglu; Otis Smith in Orlando is no dummy - and has quietly gone about and built one of the more robust teams of recent vintage. No wonder Matt Goukas sounds sour and snipey/snarkey a lot of the time doing commentary for the Magic's television signal.
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Final thoughts for the night -
It may behoove Geoff Petrie and company to start shopping both Francisco Garcia and Kevin Martin in return for assets (draft picks, hidden gems, etc.), relying on their core of players currently active right now, taking their lumps now and again, but playing as a concerted unit under the tutelage of Paul Westphal. Garcia is selfish and Martin is a volume shooter, neither of whom fit well w/in the way the Kings are operating at present. Trying to integrate either or both likely will disrupt the "chemistry" of Sacramento as it stands.
Darryl Morey in Houston likely faces a similar dilemma in that jettisoning both McGrady and Yao would be more prudent for the Rockets long term. Although Yao's dedication to team can't be questioned, he slows down the offense significantly - and this ensemble of players seems to thrive in Adelman's fast tempo schemes. Lowry is the point guard that Memphis wishes it had instead of Conley (mistake there, huh?). And McGrady is another volume shooter - they've survived in his absence, what does it matter now as to his return or not?
As for Portland, Andre Miller is a poor fit - neither the team nor he seem to be much endeared each other; for as much space as he occupies, Oden could be the second coming of Sam Bowie which would then spell Kevin Durant as the Jordan of his class. Given the way the NBA game is now, why would one opt for a lumbering center a la Oden - imagine the Blazers w/ Durant in the mix - no real 5 per se, but trying to stop an offensive onslaught from Roy, Alridge, Durant? Kevin Pritchard continues to badger beleaguered McMillen in playing Oden in much the same way that Triano bows to Colangelo's demands re: Bargnani.
And there you have it.
It may behoove Geoff Petrie and company to start shopping both Francisco Garcia and Kevin Martin in return for assets (draft picks, hidden gems, etc.), relying on their core of players currently active right now, taking their lumps now and again, but playing as a concerted unit under the tutelage of Paul Westphal. Garcia is selfish and Martin is a volume shooter, neither of whom fit well w/in the way the Kings are operating at present. Trying to integrate either or both likely will disrupt the "chemistry" of Sacramento as it stands.
Darryl Morey in Houston likely faces a similar dilemma in that jettisoning both McGrady and Yao would be more prudent for the Rockets long term. Although Yao's dedication to team can't be questioned, he slows down the offense significantly - and this ensemble of players seems to thrive in Adelman's fast tempo schemes. Lowry is the point guard that Memphis wishes it had instead of Conley (mistake there, huh?). And McGrady is another volume shooter - they've survived in his absence, what does it matter now as to his return or not?
As for Portland, Andre Miller is a poor fit - neither the team nor he seem to be much endeared each other; for as much space as he occupies, Oden could be the second coming of Sam Bowie which would then spell Kevin Durant as the Jordan of his class. Given the way the NBA game is now, why would one opt for a lumbering center a la Oden - imagine the Blazers w/ Durant in the mix - no real 5 per se, but trying to stop an offensive onslaught from Roy, Alridge, Durant? Kevin Pritchard continues to badger beleaguered McMillen in playing Oden in much the same way that Triano bows to Colangelo's demands re: Bargnani.
And there you have it.
The Blazzers could be just fine with Pryzbilla down low with Aldrige. Especially if that meant Kevin Durant at the 3, Roy at the 2, and Blake at the PG...sometimes hindsight is definately 20/20 lol
ps- Completely agree with the Kings assesment. They have a nice little team going on. Just no defensive presence in the paint, nor an actual force in the paint. Both Hawes and Thompson are more or less jump shooters.
ps- Completely agree with the Kings assesment. They have a nice little team going on. Just no defensive presence in the paint, nor an actual force in the paint. Both Hawes and Thompson are more or less jump shooters.
You seem to have it spot on there ETZ.
Sad days ahead I suppose for us Raptor fans.
This is shaping up to be a start of a 3-4 year period where this team will go nowhere.
following up on ETZ
following up on ETZ
Bryan (Executive of the Year) Colangelo :mj07:
-I'd take a serious capper anyday over 90% of the NBA GM's.
Jay Triano - was surprised to learn USA Basketball uses him as a key "teacher". That said, today's NBA requires a head coach with a presence, not knowledge of X's and O's.
Portland - Since Kevin Pritchard's recent moves have been questionable, I've now got Sam Presti (OKC) as best GM.
I can't believe they don't have someone working with Oden on his footwork through either soccer (Steve Nash / Hakeem Olajuwon) or ballet (Lynn Swann) - Oden is one lumbering fool, though he has shown GREAT improvement the last 10 days (this is more a result of him getting his head out of his ass than it is improved athleticism or skills).
Most teams will now have to double him, but whenever Portland swings the ball looking for the open man, at some point it ends up in ANDRE MILLER'S hands and he's always 10 FEET BEHIND BEHIND THE 3-PT LINE - in no position to shoot the open 3 or even continue with the swinging of the ball because he's so far removed from his next teamate! So instead of last year where you had Blake, Outlaw, or Rudy knocking down a wide-open 3, there's Andre stopping the offence cold and having to manufacture something himself against a short shot-clock.
It's not all Miller's fault - B Roy is half the player he was last year (that's how good he was).
I also hoped like hell they woulda traded Aldridge for Tito Horford (love Tito) - Portland needs some toughness, heart, and smarts on their frontline to go with their guards (although I wish they had kept J Jack). I'd easily take Jack over Miller (on this team) and with the $ they spent on Miller, couldn't they have got Ariza or maybe even Battier to fix their bigger problem (the 3-spot).
How's Jack doing in T.O.?
I really see him developing into an Aaron McKie-type player - which is a lot more of a compliment than it sounds.
At least you can be thankful Colangelo isn't as bad as the Memphis GM. I don't think he even got a reacharound in that Kyle Lowry trade.
Finally - who's more in the way-
Kevin Martin?
She-Mac?
Michael Redd?
following up on ETZ
Bryan (Executive of the Year) Colangelo :mj07:
-I'd take a serious capper anyday over 90% of the NBA GM's.
Jay Triano - was surprised to learn USA Basketball uses him as a key "teacher". That said, today's NBA requires a head coach with a presence, not knowledge of X's and O's.
Portland - Since Kevin Pritchard's recent moves have been questionable, I've now got Sam Presti (OKC) as best GM.
I can't believe they don't have someone working with Oden on his footwork through either soccer (Steve Nash / Hakeem Olajuwon) or ballet (Lynn Swann) - Oden is one lumbering fool, though he has shown GREAT improvement the last 10 days (this is more a result of him getting his head out of his ass than it is improved athleticism or skills).
Most teams will now have to double him, but whenever Portland swings the ball looking for the open man, at some point it ends up in ANDRE MILLER'S hands and he's always 10 FEET BEHIND BEHIND THE 3-PT LINE - in no position to shoot the open 3 or even continue with the swinging of the ball because he's so far removed from his next teamate! So instead of last year where you had Blake, Outlaw, or Rudy knocking down a wide-open 3, there's Andre stopping the offence cold and having to manufacture something himself against a short shot-clock.
It's not all Miller's fault - B Roy is half the player he was last year (that's how good he was).
I also hoped like hell they woulda traded Aldridge for Tito Horford (love Tito) - Portland needs some toughness, heart, and smarts on their frontline to go with their guards (although I wish they had kept J Jack). I'd easily take Jack over Miller (on this team) and with the $ they spent on Miller, couldn't they have got Ariza or maybe even Battier to fix their bigger problem (the 3-spot).
How's Jack doing in T.O.?
I really see him developing into an Aaron McKie-type player - which is a lot more of a compliment than it sounds.
At least you can be thankful Colangelo isn't as bad as the Memphis GM. I don't think he even got a reacharound in that Kyle Lowry trade.
Finally - who's more in the way-
Kevin Martin?
She-Mac?
Michael Redd?
Love this and...
Love this and...
As bettors we have to look at the past games in this season to help make money and while yesterday hurts hopefully it helped us.
Many of us bought the hype about the Raptors and lost money last night. The media and the NBA network wanted you to belive they were the next OMagic and as EZ put it they are a faster version of previous teams. Last year you could count on a home victory and cover on Sunday's now you can expect a back to back to be money on the over and they will not cover.
The Suns those first few weeks i made some cash but now they seem old and slow. Nash had 4 first quarter TO's 4!...
Hope we can learn
Love this and...
As bettors we have to look at the past games in this season to help make money and while yesterday hurts hopefully it helped us.
Many of us bought the hype about the Raptors and lost money last night. The media and the NBA network wanted you to belive they were the next OMagic and as EZ put it they are a faster version of previous teams. Last year you could count on a home victory and cover on Sunday's now you can expect a back to back to be money on the over and they will not cover.
The Suns those first few weeks i made some cash but now they seem old and slow. Nash had 4 first quarter TO's 4!...
Hope we can learn
