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Tebow's mechanics will keep him from becoming high draft pick

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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]That's the opinion of scouts and GMs who study the guy, and while they like him -- and like him a lot -- they don't like him enough to give him a first-round grade. [/FONT]
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</TD><TD width=15></TD></TR><TR><TD width=250>Tim Tebow's character and leadership abilities are some of his strongest qualities. (US Presswire) </TD><TD width=15></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>The reason: Poor mechanics. Scouts generally agree it will take him at least a year before he's ready to play in the pros.
"You're going to have to change everything he does," said former coach Brian Billick, now a TV analyst. "He has a windup delivery. He carries the ball too low. And he needs to read progressions. He's a helluva player, but how do you make him a first-round pick when you have to change so much?"

It?s a good question and one asked over and over by scouts, player personnel directors and GMs. Yet while they dissect his mechanics, they rave about Tebow?s intangibles and are dazzled by his character, competitive drive and ability to motivate teammates. Most of all they rave about his success. Wherever he's been, Tebow has been a winner, with Florida 35-6 in his three seasons as a starter and the Gators winning a national championship during that span.
"Great," said one GM, "but Danny Wuerffel was a winner, too."

He's right. Like Tebow, Wuerffel won a zillion games. Like Tebow, Wuerffel quarterbacked a top-rated club. Like Tebow, he won a Heisman Trophy. And, like Tebow, he was pulled apart by pro scouts, with Wuerffel falling to the fourth round of the 1997 draft.

Tebow will not go that low. But he may not go a whole lot higher. After he shredded Cincinnati last week, the question I had was: Did he do enough to merit first-round consideration? And the answer was universal: Probably not.
"If you lined up 20 scouts right now," said one AFC player personnel director, "there would be 18 of them who would tell you he's not a first-rounder."

Of course, that means there might be two who would tell you he is. But I ran into one of Tebow's strongest supporters, a guy who followed his career since high school, and even he admitted that for the quarterback to make it into the first round something other than football, skills would have to be involved -- something like his ability to sell tickets or generate a buzz.
"So where do you have him rated?" I asked.
"Top of the second," he said.

That was higher than others, but at least it was close to where Tebow would like to be. Most guys I spoke to had him ranked anywhere from the bottom of the second to somewhere in the third round, with the complaint always the same: Poor mechanics.

"He's not as accurate as you'd like," said one scout, "and he carries the ball very low and behind him, which produces a slow release. But even with a strong release if you carry the ball like that, you're going to have guys who keep coming off the edge swatting at it, and that's an issue. Plus, he's going to have to work on his footwork.

"He doesn't have a strong arm, and while people talk about how well he runs, he's not what you'd call a candidate for the Wildcat because he's not a tailback -- he's a fullback who has power, is a straight-ahead runner and will hit you head-on, and you wonder how long he can last like that. So he has issues."

One issue he didn't mention is Tebow's failure to take the ball from under center. He operates out of the shotgun, and, yeah, maybe that's another concern. But I'm not so certain it's much of one. It was supposed to be a concern when Vince Young was eligible for the 2006 draft, but it didn't stop Tennessee from taking him third overall. And it didn't stop Young from having a productive NFL career.

It was supposed to be a concern with Kevin Kolb a year later, but it didn't stop the Philadelphia Eagles from making him their first draft pick. Though Kolb has played sparingly, he started twice this year in place of Donovan McNabb and both times threw for over 300 yards.

Kolb and Young worked with former quarterback and assistant coach Jerry Rhome prior to the draft, and both became so good at taking snaps from center that by late April it wasn't a problem.

Bad mechanics, however, are it takes time -- sometimes a lot of it -- to correct them. And it is bad mechanics that keep coming up in conversations about Tebow.

Some scouts tell me that even if he corrects his flaws, they're not sure he can approximate the quarterback he was in college. What they are certain of is that you can't afford to invest a first-round draft pick in someone who could take one or two seasons to straighten out.

"I love his intangibles and the type of kid he is," said one GM, "but he has a long delivery, and he probably doesn't know how to read defenses. He's inconsistent with his accuracy, and you have to question whether he can anticipate in the pocket. Plus, he never played under center. I'd have to put him on the board to see how smart he is, but I can't see him going in the first round. No way."

The argument in Tebow's favor, of course, is that the guy makes plays, knows how to win and is a charismatic leader. One scout told me he loved the touch he put on his passes. Another said he admired his instincts and ability to make something out of plays seemingly going nowhere.

"He has a little bit of that Doug Flutie magic," he said.

Others spoke to his character, with one scout saying: "He's genuine and doesn't have one phony bone in his body." All of that is in Tebow's favor, but it's hard for anyone who studies him to get past the makeover he must undergo once he graduates to the pros.

So while there is no question that Tebow helped himself with his monster game against Cincinnati, there is also no question that it's probably not enough to make much of a difference on draft day.

"If you're going to look at his last game," asked one player personnel director, "why don't you look at his last game against Alabama? That was the best competition in the country.

"What I see here almost parallels those quarterbacks from the Steve Spurrier era [like Wuerffel] who won a lot of games and trophies and all that, but being in that offense helped them. Yeah, he completes a lot of passes, but there often is nobody near his receivers, and he has all the time in the world to throw."
Maybe. But I've seen pro quarterbacks miss wide-open receivers. I've seen pro quarterbacks with time to throw who can't pick out open receivers, too. Tebow might not be the most polished quarterback in this draft, but he is one of the most successful. That should count for something. Unfortunately for Tebow, it may not count enough.

"I feel for the guy," said Billick, "because the next three to four months he's going to get [shredded]. Scouts are going to tear him apart."
They already have.

"When you're looking for a quarterback," said one of them, "you want someone who gets his team out of the huddle and into the end zone. You want someone who knows how to win. And that's Tim Tebow."
But that's not enough.

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Round one<TABLE class="wikitable sortable sortable" id=sortable_table_id_0 style="WIDTH: 100%" border=1><TBODY><TR><TH style="BACKGROUND: #a8bdec" width="7%">Pick # </TH><TH style="BACKGROUND: #a8bdec" width="40%">NFL Team </TH><TH style="BACKGROUND: #a8bdec" width="20%">Player </TH><TH style="BACKGROUND: #a8bdec" width="13%">Position </TH><TH style="BACKGROUND: #a8bdec">College </TH></TR><TR><TH>1</TH><TD>St. Louis Rams</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TH>2</TH><TD>Detroit Lions</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TH>3</TH><TD>Tampa Bay Buccaneers</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TH>4</TH><TD>Washington Redskins</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TH>5</TH><TD>Kansas City Chiefs</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TH>6</TH><TD>Seattle Seahawks</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TH>7</TH><TD>Cleveland Browns</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TH>8</TH><TD>Oakland Raiders</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TH>9</TH><TD>Buffalo Bills</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TH>10t*</TH><TD>Denver Broncos<SUP>(from Chicago)</SUP></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TH>10t*</TH><TD>Jacksonville Jaguars</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TH>12</TH><TD>Miami Dolphins</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TH>13</TH><TD>San Francisco 49ers</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TH>14</TH><TD>Seattle Seahawks<SUP>(from Denver)</SUP></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TH>15</TH><TD>New York Giants</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TH>16t*</TH><TD>San Francisco 49ers<SUP>(from Carolina)</SUP></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TH>16t*</TH><TD>Tennessee Titans</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TH>18</TH><TD>Pittsburgh Steelers</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TH>19t*</TH><TD>Atlanta Falcons</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR><TR><TH>19t*</TH><TD>Houston Texans</TD><TD></TD><TD></TD><TD></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
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Alot of mock drafts have Tebow going to Jacksonville. JVille is struggling financially, and by adding Tebow they may be able to sell some additional tickets by bringing in the king of Florida. Personally, I think the guy will end up being a Wildcat type of QB that can be slotted anywhere on offense from TE, WR, RB, or QB.
 

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wait, i was told yesterday that colt mccoy was going to be the #1 pick (if he had a good game)

well, he completed 100% of his passes!

should be a 3rd rounder (but will likely go in mid round 2)
 

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Tebow Wobbles in Senior Bowl Workouts

Tebows wobble but they don't fall down? The draft will tell if scounts think he's fixable.

By JANIE CAMPBELL

Updated 2:52 PM EST, Tue, Jan 26, 2010

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If Tim Tebow is Superman (a concept hilariously illustrated by the Sporting Blog's national treasure, LSU Freek), consider taking snaps under center his kryptonite.
Florida's Baby Rhino struggled in his first Senior Bowl workout with Tony Sparano's South team, and everyone -- everyone! -- noticed. From the Palm Beach Post:

Performing drills with fellow South team quarterbacks...Tebow fumbled the ball at least twice while taking snaps under center...[and] fell into his same old habits ? holding onto the ball too long, locking onto receivers and throwing wobbly passes. The scouts noticed.
to NFL.com analysts:

Tebow repeatedly dropped snaps, and had a tough time hitting open receivers. While it is apparent that he has been attempting to work on his unorthodox delivery, his elongated wind up and tendency to pat the ball before releasing, clearly impact his accuracy.
to Scout, Inc.'s Todd McShay:

He was out of rhythm, missing receivers low and high and fumbling snaps while also struggling to read defenses and use proper footwork when dropping from under center.
...to the Miami Herald:

Tebow fumbled snaps, missed receivers and at one point even tossed one wobbling, floating incompletion that appeared to slip out of his hands. The wounded pass landed in the vicinity of Tebow's entourage.
This isn't the first time Tebow's questionable mechanics have struck NFL scouts, or the first time they've realized the spread offense hero won't have mastered some of the basic practices more NFL-ready college quarterbacks have down pat. So the question becomes: will he improve enough?
Last year, Florida hired quarterbacks coach Scott Loeffler to prepare Tebow for taking standard snaps; a handful ensued but most were designed runs and didn't reveal much in the way of measurables. Prior to Senior Bowl week, he worked with noted QB guru Marc Trestman, and observers said he spent much of yesterday with Dolphins QB coach David Lee.
If it appears his tutoring is paying off, there won't really be much concern about drafting Tebow in the first two rounds; after all, someone with a level of commitment inscribed and mounted on a stadium isn't going to fumble snaps forever.
And at least one NFL coach seemed unfazed by the horror.
"I think his fundamentals and his mechanics are really good, really solid," Dolphins coach Tony Sparano said. "They did a great job coaching him down there at Florida. I thought he did some really good things today. I thought his delivery was fine."
Huh. That's...a different opinion. Instinctive defense of a good kid under fire, or sign Miami might need a new scouting process? You decide, but keep an eye on Tebow. That ball could end up anywhere, and no one needs a bonk on the noggin.
 

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people love takin` shots at this kid......

not the scout`s comments,mind you....they`re doing their jobs...but,the last couple sentences in the article were cheap shots...

my guess is it`s partially the religion thing...really gets under some agnostic`s skins...

vince young was too stupid...and his mechanics were also shabby...he seems to be proving his critics wrong..

i hope tebow proves them wrong...

lif not at qb,i`d like to see him get a shot at tight end...utilize that athleticism and brute strength...

gotta be a position for this caliber of athlete......
 

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Tim Tebow, who turned in a disappointing first Senior Bowl practice, is reportedly battling strep throat this week.


According to ESPN, Tebow still plans on playing in the Senior Bowl. The illness may buy him a mulligan on Monday's struggles, but he's still going to have to show that he can play under center.
 

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people love takin` shots at this kid......

not the scout`s comments,mind you....they`re doing their jobs...but,the last couple sentences in the article were cheap shots...

my guess is it`s partially the religion thing...really gets under some agnostic`s skins...

vince young was too stupid...and his mechanics were also shabby...he seems to be proving his critics wrong..

i hope tebow proves them wrong...

lif not at qb,i`d like to see him get a shot at tight end...utilize that athleticism and brute strength...

gotta be a position for this caliber of athlete......

Why do you think that Vince Young is proving critics wrong. He has more int's than td's and a quarterback rating of 72.3. IMO that's not a starting qb's #s, which is why he was benched. I think he has just bolstered the argument that he won't make it in the NFL.
 

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he can be as healthy as he wants and still won't be higher then late 2nd round same as mccoy no-one is going to take him with top 1-2 round picls, he is way to small for that.
 

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Not sure how high I would take Tebow but would definitely like to have him on my team. You could try to build an offense that suits him, let him sit and learn for a couple years and if QB doesn't work out, he could play TE or possibly RB/FB and you've still got the wildcat where he could shift from TE position and be a real threat to throw out of it.

Just a lot of options and he's got great character and leadership abilities but I do understand that with all the possibilites he could still be a total bust.

Maybe the Lions can put him at WR!
 

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Not sure how high I would take Tebow but would definitely like to have him on my team. You could try to build an offense that suits him, let him sit and learn for a couple years and if QB doesn't work out, he could play TE or possibly RB/FB and you've still got the wildcat where he could shift from TE position and be a real threat to throw out of it.

Just a lot of options and he's got great character and leadership abilities but I do understand that with all the possibilites he could still be a total bust.

Maybe the Lions can put him at WR!



LIONS already need someone to get Calvin the ball :mj07:

Tebow can throw it to him no?
 

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wait, i was told yesterday that colt mccoy was going to be the #1 pick (if he had a good game)

well, he completed 100% of his passes!

should be a 3rd rounder (but will likely go in mid round 2)

Well it was more like 3 weeks ago...not yesterday...If he played that entire game who knows what could have been?...
If he got his team a win I'm sure it would have looked good on his resume..Perhaps raising his draft status..
Never said he was the lock #1 pick...If he had a good game it can happen is more like what I said...
 
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]<!-- T12746895 --><!-- Sesame Modified: 01/06/2010 15:30:31 --><!-- sversion: 10 $Updated: lylec$ -->Those were huge numbers that Tim Tebow produced in his final game as quarterback at Florida, but they probably weren't big enough to launch him into the first round of the NFL Draft. [/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]That's the opinion of scouts and GMs who study the guy, and while they like him -- and like him a lot -- they don't like him enough to give him a first-round grade. [/FONT]
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</TD><TD width=15></TD></TR><TR><TD width=250>Tim Tebow's character and leadership abilities are some of his strongest qualities. (US Presswire) </TD><TD width=15></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>The reason: Poor mechanics. Scouts generally agree it will take him at least a year before he's ready to play in the pros.
"You're going to have to change everything he does," said former coach Brian Billick, now a TV analyst. "He has a windup delivery. He carries the ball too low. And he needs to read progressions. He's a helluva player, but how do you make him a first-round pick when you have to change so much?"

It?s a good question and one asked over and over by scouts, player personnel directors and GMs. Yet while they dissect his mechanics, they rave about Tebow?s intangibles and are dazzled by his character, competitive drive and ability to motivate teammates. Most of all they rave about his success. Wherever he's been, Tebow has been a winner, with Florida 35-6 in his three seasons as a starter and the Gators winning a national championship during that span.
"Great," said one GM, "but Danny Wuerffel was a winner, too."

He's right. Like Tebow, Wuerffel won a zillion games. Like Tebow, Wuerffel quarterbacked a top-rated club. Like Tebow, he won a Heisman Trophy. And, like Tebow, he was pulled apart by pro scouts, with Wuerffel falling to the fourth round of the 1997 draft.

Tebow will not go that low. But he may not go a whole lot higher. After he shredded Cincinnati last week, the question I had was: Did he do enough to merit first-round consideration? And the answer was universal: Probably not.
"If you lined up 20 scouts right now," said one AFC player personnel director, "there would be 18 of them who would tell you he's not a first-rounder."

Of course, that means there might be two who would tell you he is. But I ran into one of Tebow's strongest supporters, a guy who followed his career since high school, and even he admitted that for the quarterback to make it into the first round something other than football, skills would have to be involved -- something like his ability to sell tickets or generate a buzz.
"So where do you have him rated?" I asked.
"Top of the second," he said.

That was higher than others, but at least it was close to where Tebow would like to be. Most guys I spoke to had him ranked anywhere from the bottom of the second to somewhere in the third round, with the complaint always the same: Poor mechanics.

"He's not as accurate as you'd like," said one scout, "and he carries the ball very low and behind him, which produces a slow release. But even with a strong release if you carry the ball like that, you're going to have guys who keep coming off the edge swatting at it, and that's an issue. Plus, he's going to have to work on his footwork.

"He doesn't have a strong arm, and while people talk about how well he runs, he's not what you'd call a candidate for the Wildcat because he's not a tailback -- he's a fullback who has power, is a straight-ahead runner and will hit you head-on, and you wonder how long he can last like that. So he has issues."

One issue he didn't mention is Tebow's failure to take the ball from under center. He operates out of the shotgun, and, yeah, maybe that's another concern. But I'm not so certain it's much of one. It was supposed to be a concern when Vince Young was eligible for the 2006 draft, but it didn't stop Tennessee from taking him third overall. And it didn't stop Young from having a productive NFL career.

It was supposed to be a concern with Kevin Kolb a year later, but it didn't stop the Philadelphia Eagles from making him their first draft pick. Though Kolb has played sparingly, he started twice this year in place of Donovan McNabb and both times threw for over 300 yards.

Kolb and Young worked with former quarterback and assistant coach Jerry Rhome prior to the draft, and both became so good at taking snaps from center that by late April it wasn't a problem.

Bad mechanics, however, are it takes time -- sometimes a lot of it -- to correct them. And it is bad mechanics that keep coming up in conversations about Tebow.

Some scouts tell me that even if he corrects his flaws, they're not sure he can approximate the quarterback he was in college. What they are certain of is that you can't afford to invest a first-round draft pick in someone who could take one or two seasons to straighten out.

"I love his intangibles and the type of kid he is," said one GM, "but he has a long delivery, and he probably doesn't know how to read defenses. He's inconsistent with his accuracy, and you have to question whether he can anticipate in the pocket. Plus, he never played under center. I'd have to put him on the board to see how smart he is, but I can't see him going in the first round. No way."

The argument in Tebow's favor, of course, is that the guy makes plays, knows how to win and is a charismatic leader. One scout told me he loved the touch he put on his passes. Another said he admired his instincts and ability to make something out of plays seemingly going nowhere.

"He has a little bit of that Doug Flutie magic," he said.

Others spoke to his character, with one scout saying: "He's genuine and doesn't have one phony bone in his body." All of that is in Tebow's favor, but it's hard for anyone who studies him to get past the makeover he must undergo once he graduates to the pros.

So while there is no question that Tebow helped himself with his monster game against Cincinnati, there is also no question that it's probably not enough to make much of a difference on draft day.

"If you're going to look at his last game," asked one player personnel director, "why don't you look at his last game against Alabama? That was the best competition in the country.

"What I see here almost parallels those quarterbacks from the Steve Spurrier era [like Wuerffel] who won a lot of games and trophies and all that, but being in that offense helped them. Yeah, he completes a lot of passes, but there often is nobody near his receivers, and he has all the time in the world to throw."
Maybe. But I've seen pro quarterbacks miss wide-open receivers. I've seen pro quarterbacks with time to throw who can't pick out open receivers, too. Tebow might not be the most polished quarterback in this draft, but he is one of the most successful. That should count for something. Unfortunately for Tebow, it may not count enough.

"I feel for the guy," said Billick, "because the next three to four months he's going to get [shredded]. Scouts are going to tear him apart."
They already have.

"When you're looking for a quarterback," said one of them, "you want someone who gets his team out of the huddle and into the end zone. You want someone who knows how to win. And that's Tim Tebow."
But that's not enough.

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Tebow has good size and enough arm strength to play at the next level, but just needs to improve his mechanics which could improve his accuracy.

Tebow's play improved dramatically on Tuesday (his second day of practice) because he's starting to get used to correcting some of the mechanical flaws that he developed at Florida. The Dolphins coaching staff is working on making him use a much more compact delivery, instead of an elongated delivery, by making him hold the ball higher up by his shoulders instead of below his waist which he was used to, and it's starting to work because his accuracy was much better yesterday in the afternoon practice. Tebow is also getting used to taking the ball from under center instead of being in the shotgun. All in all, I think Tebow will be drafted somewhere in the second round of the draft when it's all said and done.
 
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buffalo will take him with the 8th pick, he is another jim kelly..:00hour :00hour :00hour :00hour
 
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