"We will not cower in fear. We will not be intimidated."

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Words from Obama to the associated press regarding the attempted car bombing in Times Square. This occurred after the arrest of the suspect.


Stern, direct, to the point. This is what I like to hear from our leader.
 

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Not bad for an Indonesian citizen, huh?

JMHO.

;)

You know Skulnik, I am not an Obama supporter either, but you should give it a rest about him not being a U.S. citizen. It has been proven that he was born in Hawaii. And by saying otherwise just makes you look foolish. Criticze him on other things. There are plenty to choose from.

JMHO
 

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Not bad for an Indonesian citizen, huh?


How could a comment that for most red blooded Americans would garner a sense of camaraderie with fellow Americans cause you to react in such a negative manner?


Maybe you need to ask yourself that question.
 
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Words from Obama to the associated press regarding the attempted car bombing in Times Square. This occurred after the arrest of the suspect.


Stern, direct, to the point. This is what I like to hear from our leader.

i agree with ar......skulnik,you were way outta line,imo...asking for trouble...

i must say,though,that this administration and the media have to start calling a spade a spade...

he`s a muslim extremist /terrorist....not a 40 year old teabagger/ white guy.....

it`s terrorism..not a "man caused disaster"...

if you`re so politically correct that you can`t bring yourself to honestly identify who`s trying to kill you,then it`s very hard to take the rhetoric seriously...
 

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I'm amazed that car bombs go off around the world every day, but the one that gets planted at Times Square juuuuuuust can't manage to go off.


Amazing that "they" save their best guys for the job to blow up a bazaar in Fuckmanistan, and not the biggest city in the free world.

:shrug:



Go get 'em, Bock!
 

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I'm amazed that car bombs go off around the world every day, but the one that gets planted at Times Square juuuuuuust can't manage to go off.


Amazing that "they" save their best guys for the job to blow up a bazaar in Fuckmanistan, and not the biggest city in the free world.

:shrug:



Go get 'em, Bock!

Pure conspiracy theory. Terrorism has no face, ethnicity, size, whatever. Personally, I think anyone found guilty of charges of terrorism on American soil should face the death penalty.
 

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Like all Presidents before him, there are some things that I like about how Obama has handled his term, and some other things I disagree with.

Those who say he is totally inept are just as wrong as those who claim he has done no wrong.

This is a gray world, so those that wear white or black spectacles come off as foolish imo.
 

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Upstairs watching sports on the big TV.
Does that put us at

Does that put us at

Level Orange?
Level Red?

Or Level Brown..the sh*t is about to hit the fan....

For what it is worth, probably not a whole lot...

it is somewhat re-assuring, that this rudimentary attempt has been one of the biggest threats on our soil since 9-11.
I have expected biological or dirty bomb.
Hats off to our intelligence community...an apparent well done.:toast:
 

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How could a comment that for most red blooded Amercans would garner a sense of camaraderie with other, fellow Americans cause you to react in such a negative manner?


Maybe you need to ask yourself that question.

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White House pressed on 'mission accomplished' sign
Navy suggested it, White House made it, both sides say
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Wednesday, October 29, 2003 Posted: 9:18 AM EST (1418 GMT)



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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- What was once viewed as a premier presidential photo op continues to dog President Bush six months after he landed on an aircraft carrier to declare "one victory" in the war on terrorism and an end to major combat operations in Iraq.

Attention turned Tuesday to a giant "Mission Accomplished" sign that stood behind Bush aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln when he gave the speech May 1.

The president told reporters the sign was put up by the Navy, not the White House.

"I know it was attributed somehow to some ingenious advance man from my staff -- they weren't that ingenious, by the way," the president said Tuesday.

Now his statements are being parsed even further.

Navy and administration sources said that though the banner was the Navy's idea, the White House actually made it.

Bush offered the explanation after being asked whether his speech declaring an end to major combat in Iraq under the "Mission Accomplished" banner was premature, given that U.S. casualties in Iraq since then have surpassed those before it.

During the speech in May, Bush said, "The battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September 11, 2001, and still goes on."

The speech and events surrounding it were widely publicized and served as the symbolic end to the war in Iraq.

At the time, it appeared that every detail of the day's events had been carefully planned, including the president's arrival in the co-pilot's seat of a Navy S-3B Viking after making two flybys of the carrier.

The exterior of the four-seat S-3B Viking was marked with "Navy 1" and "George W. Bush Commander in Chief."

White House spokesman Scott McClellan told CNN that in preparing for the speech, Navy officials on the carrier told Bush aides they wanted a "Mission Accomplished" banner, and the White House agreed to create it.

"We took care of the production of it," McClellan said. "We have people to do those things. But the Navy actually put it up."

The banner has been used by critics of the Bush administration as evidence of bravado and an unclear sense of how dangerous the postwar conflict in Iraq would be.

Assigning responsibility elsewhere, especially to the military, is not a typical move for the Bush administration and raised suspicions among critics.

Cmdr. Conrad Chun, a Navy spokesman, defended the president's assertion.

"The banner was a Navy idea, the ship's idea," Chun said.

"The banner signified the successful completion of the ship's deployment," he said, noting the Abraham Lincoln was deployed 290 days, longer than any other nuclear-powered aircraft carrier in history.

At the time of the event, Democrats worried President Bush would use his speech and the dramatic landing for political gain.

On Tuesday, Democratic presidential candidates, hoping to make it a political liability for Bush, accused him of trying to shift blame for the stagecraft to the Navy.

"Landing on an aircraft carrier and saying 'mission accomplished' didn't end a war, and standing in the Rose Garden and stating that 'Iraq is a dangerous place' does nothing to make American troops safer," Sen. John Kerry of Massachusetts said in a written statement Tuesday.

Former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean also issued a critical statement.

"Today, we heard him try to walk away from the USS Abraham Lincoln 'end of major combat operations' announcement, absurdly claiming that the White House was not responsible for the 'Mission Accomplished' banner that decorated the flight deck," Dean said.

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Level Orange?
Level Red?

Or Level Brown..the sh*t is about to hit the fan....

For what it is worth, probably not a whole lot...

it is somewhat re-assuring, that this rudimentary attempt has been one of the biggest threats on our soil since 9-11.
I have expected biological or dirty bomb.
Hats off to our intelligence community...an apparent well done.:toast:



You are right Dead Money,
let's look at the signs, or um, coincidences.
I am ready for the shit storm.

9/11

US agents told to "back off" Bin Ladens (ANANOVA)
- Bush Thwarted FBI probe against Bin Ladens (AFP)
- FBI told to "back off" investigating Bin Laden family before the attacks on Sept. 11th: BBC Newsnight Video
- Has someone been sitting on the FBI? BBC Newsnight transcript
- Bush took FBI Agents of bin Laden family trail (TIMES OF INDIA)
- FBI claims Bin Laden inquiry was frustrated (LONDON GUARDIAN)
- FBI 'was told to back off bin Laden family' (SYDNEY MORNING HERALD)
- Another FBI Agent Blows the Whistle on 9-11
- FBI agent: I was stymied in terror probe
- Whistleblower Complains of FBI Obstruction
- Judicial Watch press conference featuring special FBI agent Robert Wright - impeded from terrorist investigations
- Scandal Inside the FBI: Did G-Men Miss the Boat on 9-11?
- SECTION OF W199I DOCUMENT FROM GREG PALAST'S BOOK 'THE BEST DEMOCRACY MONEY CAN BUY'
- MINNESOTA FBI AGENTS WERE OBSTRUCTED IN PRE-SEPT. 11 TERRORIST INVESTIGATION BY 'HIGHER-UPS'
- FBI Lawyer Tells of Terror 'Roadblock'
- Minneapolis agent says FBI headquarters rewrote requests for search warrants for Moussaoui
- Agent Claims FBI Supervisor Thwarted Probe
- Agent blasts FBI over 11 September 'cover-up'
- Angry FBI agents joked about al Qaeda mole at HQ
- Another FBI Agent Blows the Whistle - New evidence that the Bureau quashed another terror probe before 9/11
- FBI Agent: Bureau Prevented Terror Probe
- The ignored warning: FBI officer prevented from prosecuting future 9/11 hijacker
- FBI AGENT ROBERT WRIGHT SAYS FBI AGENTS ASSIGNED TO INTELLIGENCE OPERATIONS CONTINUE TO PROTECT TERRORISTS FROM CRIMINAL PROSECUTIONS


150+ 9/11 Smoking Guns Found in the Mainstream Media


PLANNED BEFORE, FUTURE IDEAS...
PREPARATION...
PRIOR KNOWLEDGE...
DECOYING, STAND DOWN...
WTC ATTACK...
PENTAGON ATTACK...
PENNSYLVANIA CRASH...
ALLOWING IT TO HAPPEN...
 

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COVER-UP...
CULPRITS...
MOTIVES...
Afghanistan
Iraq
PATSIES...
 

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Drill Held at D.C. Transit Station Days Before Pentagon Shooting

Drill Held at D.C. Transit Station Days Before Pentagon Shooting

Drill Held at D.C. Transit Station Days Before Pentagon Shooting
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Coincidence? Several days before John Patrick Bedell attacked two Pentagon cops and was killed, D.C. police staged a drill at the Friendship Heights Metro station in in Northwest Washington.
?Metro police and other emergency personnel will descend on the Friendship Heights Station starting at 11:30 Wednesday night for an anti-terrorist exercise in which mock gunmen open fire, killing or wounding several passengers,? Ann Scott Tyson reported for the Washington Post on February 22. ?Agencies responding will include the Metro police special response team, as well as fire, police and emergency medical personnel from the District, Montgomery County and the FBI, according to a Metro statement.?
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Washington Post video report on Blue TIDE, an anti-terrorism exercise conducted by the D.C. Metro Transit Police.
Prior to the Friendship Heights Metro station drill, on February 3, D.C. Metro Transit Police staged their largest anti-terrorism sweep ever, ?some toting M-4 rifles and others guiding bomb-sniffing dogs,? according to the Post. ?In coming months, they plan to hold similar drills for the effort, dubbed Blue TIDE (Terrorism Identification and Deterrence Effort).?
Drills are a prominent and highly suspicious feature of the attacks on September 11, 2001. New York City was scheduled to have a major terrorism training exercise September 11. It was called Tripod and was intended to test how well the city?s Office of Emergency Management would administer treatment in the event of a biological-terrorism attack. FEMA and the FBI were scheduled to participate.
FEMA spokesman Tom Kenney confirmed Tripod was scheduled to take place. He told Dan Rather on September 12, 2001, that FEMA was deployed to New York on Monday night, September 10th, to be ready to go into action on Tuesday morning, September 11th. Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani confirmed FEMA?s presence in the city during his testimony before the 9-11 Commission in 2004.
During its Vigilant Guardian exercise held on September 6, 2001, NORAD practiced for dealing with the simulated hijackings of two commercial aircraft by terrorists. The simulated hijackings were to occur on September 9, 10, and the morning of September 11.
The previous month, on August 30, the Department of Transportation held a tabletop exercise as part of its preparations for the 2002 Winter Olympics in Salt Lake City. ?During that exercise, part of the scenario, interestingly enough, involved a potentially hijacked plane and someone calling on a cell phone, among other aspects of the scenario that were very strange when 12 days later, as you know, we had the actual event [of 9/11],? Ellen Engleman, the administrator of the DOT?s Research and Special Programs Administration, said in October, 2001.

In early August of 2001, a mass casualty exercise was held at the Pentagon. The scenario envisioned a hijacked plane hitting the Pentagon. ?[It was] purely a coincidence, the scenario for that exercise included a plane hitting the building,? General Lance Lord, the assistant vice chief of staff of the Air Force who was one of the participants in the exercise, told the Air Force Space Command News in September, 2002.
On the morning of September 11, within minutes of the attack on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, the CIA was engaged in ?a pre-planned simulation to explore the emergency response issues that would be created if a plane were to strike a building.? The Bush administration described the event as ?a bizarre coincidence.?
And then there was the terrorist drill held in London during the July 7, 2005, attack. ?At half past nine this morning we were actually running an exercise for a company of over a thousand people in London based on simultaneous bombs going off precisely at the railway stations where it happened this morning, so I still have the hairs on the back of my neck standing up right now,? Peter Power, Managing Director of Visor Consultants, a private firm on contract to the London Metropolitan Police, told the BBC.
After the London attack, math on the odds of a drill occurring at the same time was calculated. ?The odds were one in 3,715,592,613,265,750,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000. This is obviously a figure open to conjecture but it gives you an idea of the ballpark improbability we are talking about,? Paul Jospeh Watson wrote for Prison Planet on July 23, 2005. (See Probability of 7/7 Drill and Attack Coinciding.)
The odds on the drill at the Friendship Heights Metro station in in Northwest Washington and the Blue TIDE exercise held earlier prior to the Pentagon shooting are much lower, but suspicious nonetheless.
The exercises were not mentioned by the corporate media after the Pentagon shooting. The fact drills and exercises parallel such events are irrelevant to the corporate media. Its primary agenda is to engage in hysterical fear-mongering about ?rightwing extremists? and 9/11 truthers and fallaciously connect them to a shooting by a mentally deranged man who not only wrote about 9/11 truth but the bizarre idea that marijuana should be the basis for the nation?s currency.
 

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What Do NORAD?s 9/11 Computer Chat Logs Reveal?

What Do NORAD?s 9/11 Computer Chat Logs Reveal?

What Do NORAD?s 9/11 Computer Chat Logs Reveal?
Posted By aaron On December 15, 2008 @ 2:13 am In September 11 | Comments Disabled
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In April 2006, journalist Michael Bronner received in the post 30 hours of recordings he had requested from the Pentagon. These recordings, which came as a series of computer audio files on three CDs, had captured events on the operations floor at NORAD?s Northeast Air Defense Sector throughout the day of September 11, 2001. [1] NORAD?the North American Aerospace Defense Command?is the military organization responsible for monitoring and defending the airspace of North America. Its Northeast Air Defense Sector (NEADS), based in Rome, New York, is responsible for monitoring and protecting 500,000 square miles of airspace above the northeast U.S., including the airspace over New York City and Washington, DC. [2] It was within this airspace that the 9/11 attacks occurred, and from the NEADS operations floor that the U.S. military?s response originated. Evidence of what happened there that day is clearly in the public interest and of obvious importance for attempts to unravel how the attacks were able to succeed. In an August 2006 Vanity Fair article based on the recordings, Bronner therefore referred to these ?NORAD tapes? as ?the authentic military history of 9/11.? [3]
However, the NORAD tapes are not the only record of the actions of NORAD and its Northeast Air Defense Sector on September 11. In her recent book Touching History: The Untold Story of the Drama that Unfolded in the Skies Over America on 9/11, commercial pilot and author Lynn Spencer revealed the existence of other crucial documentation. Yet, more than seven years on from 9/11, this record remains unreleased to the public and its contents are almost completely unknown.
Spencer described how, at around 9:25 a.m. on September 11, Master Sergeant Joe McCain, the mission crew commander technician at NEADS, received a call from the Continental U.S. NORAD Region (CONR) headquarters at Tyndall Air Force Base in Florida. Major General Larry Arnold and his staff at Tyndall had been trying to gather information about the ongoing crisis, and wanted to know the transponder codes for the two fighter jets that had been launched in response to the first hijacking. The CONR officer that made the call told McCain to ?send [the transponder codes] out on chat.? By ?chat,? he meant NORAD?s computer chat system. [4]
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NORAD?S COMPUTER CHAT SYSTEM
According to Spencer, the chat system used by NORAD that day was ?similar to the chat rooms on most Internet servers, but classified.? It had three chat rooms that could be used by anyone with proper access. One room was specifically for NEADS, and connected its ID, surveillance, and weapons technicians to its alert fighter squadrons, and was where NEADS received status reports on fighter units and their aircraft. Another chat room was for CONR, and was where its three sectors?NEADS, the Western Air Defense Sector (WADS), and the Southeast Air Defense Sector (SEADS)?communicated with each other and could ?upchannel? information to CONR headquarters. The third room was the Air Warfare Center (AWC), where senior NORAD commanders from the three NORAD regions?CONR, Canada, and Alaska?communicated with each other. Although NEADS was allowed to monitor this room, it could not type into it. [5]
Furthermore, when a training exercise was taking place, one or two additional chat windows would be open specifically for communicating exercise information, so as to help prevent it being confused with real-world information. [6] This fact is of particular significance, as the whole of NORAD, including the staff at NEADS, was involved in at least one major training exercise the morning of 9/11. The annual ?Vigilant Guardian? exercise has been described as ?an air defense exercise simulating an attack on the United States,? and was scheduled to include a simulated hijacking that day. [7] According to Larry Arnold, who was the commanding general of NORAD?s Continental U.S. Region, this exercise was only canceled after the second World Trade Center tower was hit at 9:03 a.m. [8]
PAPER LOGS DOCUMENT COMMUNICATIONS
NORAD kept paper logs of the communications that took place in its computer chat rooms. As Spencer described, at NEADS it was Joe McCain?s responsibility ?to monitor the chats and keep paper logs of everything that is happening. ? These chat logs help to keep everyone on the same page, but in a situation like the one unfolding [on 9/11] they have to be updated almost instantaneously to achieve that end.? [9] These logs are actually referred to in the notes at the back of the 9/11 Commission Report. However, this is only in relation to a single communication made across the chat system. As the report described: ?At 10:31, General Larry Arnold instructed his staff to broadcast the following over a NORAD instant messaging system: ?10:31 Vice president has cleared to us to intercept tracks of interest and shoot them down if they do not respond per [General Arnold].?? [10] This detail makes clear that crucial information was being communicated in the NORAD chat rooms. Yet, to date, we know practically nothing about what else was being discussed in them.
Clearly, the details of the NORAD chat logs for the day of 9/11 need to be made public and must be carefully examined. They may not tell us the full story of the U.S. military?s response to the attacks, nor give us all the answers we require about why the military failed so catastrophically to protect the nation. But they will surely fill a large gap in the puzzle.
NOTES
[1] Michael Bronner, ?9/11 Live: The NORAD Tapes.? Vanity Fair, August 2006.
[2] Leslie Filson, Sovereign Skies: Air National Guard Takes Command of 1st Air Force. Panama City, FL: 1st Air Force, 1999, p. 51; Michael Bronner, ?9/11 Live: The NORAD Tapes.?
[3] Michael Bronner, ?9/11 Live: The NORAD Tapes.? The NORAD tapes were previously subpoenaed by the 9/11 Commission in November 2003. (See Philip Shenon, ?9/11 Panel Issues Subpoena to Pentagon.? New York Times, November 8, 2003; Thomas Kean and Lee Hamilton, Without Precedent: The Inside Story of the 9/11 Commission. New York: Knopf, 2006, pp. 85-88.) However, the Commission played only a few short excerpts from the tapes, during its final public hearing on June 17, 2004. In August 2007, the producers of the popular 9/11 documentary film Loose Change received audio files of the NORAD tapes, which they made fully available to members of the public over the Internet. (See ?NORAD Live and Uncut.? Official Loose Change Blog, August 30, 2007.)
[4] Lynn Spencer, Touching History: The Untold Story of the Drama That Unfolded in the Skies Over America on 9/11. New York: Free Press, 2008, p. 139.
[5] Ibid. p. 139.
[6] Ibid. pp. 139-140.
[7] Hart Seely, ?Amid Crisis Simulation, ?We Were Suddenly No-Kidding Under Attack.?? Newhouse News Service, January 25, 2002; Leslie Filson, Air War Over America: Sept. 11 Alters Face of Air Defense Mission. Tyndall Air Force Base, FL: 1st Air Force, 2003, pp. 41 and 122; Michael Bronner, ?9/11 Live: The NORAD Tapes.?
[8] Leslie Filson, Air War Over America, p. 59.
[9] Lynn Spencer, Touching History, p. 140.
[10] 9/11 Commission, The 9/11 Commission Report: Final Report of the National Commission on Terrorist Attacks Upon the United States (Authorized Edition). New York: W. W. Norton & Company, 2004, pp. 42 and 465-466.
 

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Times Square Eyewitness: Bomb Scare Looked Like Drill

Times Square Eyewitness: Bomb Scare Looked Like Drill

Times Square Eyewitness: Bomb Scare Looked Like Drill

People caught up in car bomb incident baffled as to why some buildings were evacuated and others nearby were left alone

A You Tube clip shot by an eyewitness near the Times Square car bomb incident on Saturday night highlights why many people who were caught up in the bomb scare thought that the police were running a drill at the time of the botched attack.
Eyewitnesses, including those who comment on the video on the You Tube page, are baffled as to why police chose to evacuate some locations and not others, as if certain buildings had been chosen to be evacuated beforehand while others were left alone.
Despite the fact that people were being told to leave McDonalds, police did not stop anyone from entering the theatre next door. In addition, the staff at McDonalds were not told to leave and remained in the restaurant.
?None of this made sense when the audience was let in to see West Side Story,? states the text in the video.
?I was actually at a concert in nokia theatre while this was happening. I?m surprised the place didn?t get evacuated too,? writes a respondent to the clip.
?The employees looking out at us all looked confused,? states the eyewitness, suggesting they were not informed about what was going on by police nor were they told to leave.
?Either the terrorists were running a drill, or the cops were?it sure seemed like it could have been a drill,? states the description to the eyewitness video.

An additional detail that suggests police bomb drills may have been taking place in and around the incident is the fact that Lee County Sheriff Michael Scott told WINK News <SUP>[3]</SUP> that he was in New York during the weekend training with the New York bomb squad. While it?s unclear whether or not the drills were related to the bomb scare, Scott said that he was at the scene of the incident working with New York police.
?Somebody asked me why I didn?t start taking pictures of the car, I was not in tourist mode at that time I was in cop mode, and you just sort of sense the danger,? said Scott.
According to the news anchor, Scott had been training with the bomb squad before he was called to work the car bomb case just hours later.
Why are drills and exercises surrounding real attacks important? While it remains to be seen whether potential drills surrounding the Times Square incident were of any significance, false flag terror attacks are habitually accompanied by almost identical exercises which provide plausible deniability if any evidence comes to light of inside involvement.
Both 9/11 and the 7/7 London bombings were accompanied by drills, which in the case of 7/7 were virtually identical to the times and locations at which the real bombings took place <SUP>[4]</SUP>, a statistically impossible coincidence.
The Joe Stack kamikaze attack also took place at the precise moment a Hazmat team was stationed next to the IRS building in Austin Texas conducting an exercise <SUP>[5]</SUP>.
The fact that authorities in New York have almost instantly exploited the incident to push for an expansion of invasive surveillance cameras across the city <SUP>[6]</SUP> provokes questions as to how much police knew about the vehicle before they commenced with a baffling evacuation process which seemed to focus around certain buildings and not the area as a whole, as would be expected if authorities really feared that a car bomb was about to go off.


Watch the You Tube clip shot by the Times Square eyewitness below.

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lumie....appreciate your effort to inform...but nobody reads all that....

wouldn`t it help make your point more succinctly if you were a little more pithy?....

just a suggestion...
 
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