Controversial terror bill creates unlikely allies, foes

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Controversial terror bill creates unlikely allies, foes

A new bill that would permit the State Department to strip Americans of their citizenship if they support terror networks has drawn a cool reaction from the White House, even as Secretary of State Hillary Clinton appeared to embrace the measure.
"I have not heard anybody inside the administration that's been supportive of that idea," White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs told reporters Thursday.
But Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the administration would take "a hard look" at the measure, the New York Times reported. "United States citizenship is a privilege," she told the Times. "It is not a right. People who are serving foreign powers ? or in this case, foreign terrorists ? are clearly in violation, in my personal opinion, of that oath which they swore when they became citizens."
The proposed Terrorist Expatriation Act, introduced by Senate Homeland Security Committee Chairman Joe Lieberman (I-Conn.) and Sen. Scott Brown (R-Mass.), seeks to update a federal statue that outlines seven infractions that can result in Americans losing their citizenship. The measure would add to the list "actively engaging in hostilities against the United States or its allies" and "providing material support or resources" to a federally designated terrorist organization.
"For example," Lieberman said in a statement, "if a U.S. citizen travels to Somalia to train with and fight for [the Somali Islamist group] al-Shabaab ? as more than 20 young men have done over the past several years ? the State Department will now have the authority to revoke their citizenship so that they cannot return here to carry out an attack. If, in some way, they do, and are then captured, they will not enjoy the rights and privileges of American citizenship in the legal proceedings against them."
But the measure has hit some resistance in Congress as well as the White House. House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-Ohio), for example, has expressed concern that the move would be unconstitutional ? putting him in the very unusual position of agreeing with Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), who also opposes the bill.
"If they're a U.S. citizen, until they're convicted of some crime, I don't know how you would attempt to take their citizenship away," Boehner said. "It would be pretty difficult under the U.S. Constitution."
The bill dovetails with another recent debate over the legal standing of terror suspects: the question of whether ? regardless of their citizenship ? they should be read their Miranda rights when they are taken into custody. Some Republicans attacked the Obama administration for Mirandizing terror suspect Faisal Shahzad, arguing it makes suspects less likely to give up valuable information. Attorney General Eric Holder says that Shahzad has been cooperating with authorities, and that Mirandizing terror suspects does not deter them from cooperating.
? Liz Goodwin is a national affairs writer for Yahoo! News.
 

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This is Bad JuJu

So,

Any American can be suspected of terrorism and lose citizenship yet the Southern Border we have a welcome wagon set up with 20+ Federal and State Aid Programs

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Scott,

The mess on the Grey Hound this week was caused by some guy who barely spoke ENGRISH ! and another passenger overheard him say the word bomb? maybe, or Bombay? or Bumblebee for all we know? Under this fluster cluck of a new proposal he is a TERRORIST !

Let's say you are on the phone with Skulnik :142smilie and you tell him about a partying hard on a Saturday Night, and you tell him you got "BOMBED" well, well wouldn't you know it that someone at Fort Meade or Fort Huachuca misinterprets that, but pulls the Chicken Switch anyways.

Don't you get it? Yet?
 

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Scott,

The mess on the Grey Hound this week was caused by some guy who barely spoke ENGRISH ! and another passenger overheard him say the word bomb? maybe, or Bombay? or Bumblebee for all we know? Under this fluster cluck of a new proposal he is a TERRORIST !

Let's say you are on the phone with Skulnik :142smilie and you tell him about a partying hard on a Saturday Night, and you tell him you got "BOMBED" well, well wouldn't you know it that someone at Fort Meade or Fort Huachuca misinterprets that, but pulls the Chicken Switch anyways.

Don't you get it? Yet?
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I get it but cannot take that paranoia to the level of you're understanding and fear.

If they tried to take my citizenship , I would shoot
them.

So therefore I don't have to worry about it.
 

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So, Any American can be suspected of terrorism and lose citizenship
That's quite a hike to get from "actively engaging in hostilities against the United States or its allies" and "providing material support or resources to a federally designated terrorist organization" to "any American can be suspected of terrorism and lose citizenship". I better lace up my boots.

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That's quite a hike to get from "actively engaging in hostilities against the United States or its allies" and "providing material support or resources to a federally designated terrorist organization" to "any American can be suspected of terrorism and lose citizenship". I better lace up my boots.

Trench
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That's quite a hike to get from "actively engaging in hostilities against the United States or its allies" and "providing material support or resources to a federally designated terrorist organization" to "any American can be suspected of terrorism and lose citizenship". I better lace up my boots.

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Hike, Jump, Pole Vault, Catapult, Uncle Sugar will bend you over the bitch stump at the drop of a hat for any reason they choose.

My boots are always laced up and easy to slip on, pul the laces and I am ready to go.


Scott,

If they tried to take my citizenship , I would shoot
them.

Good Luck :mj06:
 

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Australian lawmaker stirs burqa controversy
May 8 07:01 PM US/Eastern

An Australian politican's call to ban the burqa "for safety" following an a...

An Australian politican's call to ban the burqa "for safety" following an armed robbery by a bandit wearing the Islamic veil has triggered heated public debate following similar moves in Europe.
Senator Cory Bernardi sparked a national furore with claims that the use of a burqa in a hold-up in Sydney on Wednesday showed it had "no place in Australian society" and should be banned "for safety, and for society".

"The burqa is no longer simply the symbol of female repression and Islamic culture, it is now emerging as the preferred disguise of bandits and ne'er-do-wells," Bernardi, a conservative lawmaker, wrote on his website.

"New arrivals to this country should not come here to recreate the living environment they have just left. They should come here for a better life based on the freedoms and values that have built our great nation."

His comments ignited intense public debate, with opposition leader Tony Abbott forced to distance himself from Bernardi and declare that such a ban was not opposition policy.

"I think a lot of Australians find the wearing of the burqa quite confronting and I wish it was not widely worn," Abbott said.

"But the point is we don't have a policy to ban it and we have always respected people's rights in this area."

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd said there was no reason to introduce a ban, adding that the "worst thing we can do is actually start ganging up on particular groups within our country."

"I believe Australians pride themselves in having a diverse society, one which is characterised by tolerance, one where we don?t stand up and give people lectures about what they should be wearing," Rudd said on Friday.

"These are sensitive and important matters which have a real effect on community life."

Muslims make up about 1.7 percent of Australia's heavily Christian population of 22 million, and religious tensions have run high in recent years.

Anti-Muslim sentiment flared on Sydney's southern Cronulla Beach in December 2005 when mobs of whites attacked Lebanese Australians there in a bid to "reclaim the beach."

The race riots, the country's worst of modern times, sparked a retaliatory campaign in which churches, shops and cars were attacked.

Belgium last month became the first country to pass a national ban on the burqa, and France's national assembly is soon to debate such a move.

Italian police this week fined a woman 500 euros (630 US dollars) for wearing a full Islamic veil, the first punishment of its kind in Italy. The city of Novara adopted a decree in January banning the burqa in public.
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Got to love them Aussies
 
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