Blowback: Why They Try to Bomb Us

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Blowback: Why They Try to Bomb Us

http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/blowback_why_they_try_to_bomb_us_20100513/

Posted on May 14, 2010

[FONT=georgia, times new roman, times, serif]By David Sirota
Imagine, if you can, an alternate universe.
Imagine that in this alternate universe, a foreign military power begins flying remote-controlled warplanes over your town, using onboard missiles to kill hundreds of your innocent neighbors.
Now imagine that when you read the newspaper about this ongoing bloodbath, you learn that the foreign nation?s top general is nonchalantly telling reporters that his troops are also killing ?an amazing number? of your cultural brethren in an adjacent country. Imagine further learning that this foreign power is expanding the drone attacks on your community despite the attacks? well-known record of killing innocents. And finally, imagine that when you turn on your television, you see the perpetrator nation?s tuxedo-clad leader cracking stand-up comedy jokes about drone strikes?jokes that prompt guffaws from an audience of that nation?s elite.
Ask yourself: How would you and your fellow citizens respond? Would you call homegrown militias mounting a defense ?patriots? or would you call them ?terrorists?? Would you agree with your leaders when they angrily tell reporters that violent defiance should be expected?
Fortunately, most Americans don?t have to worry about these queries in their own lives. But how we answer them in a hypothetical thought experiment provides us insight into how Pakistanis are likely to be feeling right now. Why? Because thanks to our continued drone assaults on their country, Pakistanis now confront these issues every day. And if they answer these questions as many of us undoubtedly would in a similar situation?well, that should trouble every American in this age of asymmetrical warfare.
Though we don?t like to call it mass murder, the U.S. government?s undeclared drone war in Pakistan is devolving into just that. As noted by a former counterinsurgency adviser to Gen. David Petraeus and a former Army officer in Afghanistan, the operation has become a haphazard massacre.
?Press reports suggest that over the last three years drone strikes have killed about 14 terrorist leaders,? David Kilcullen and Andrew Exum wrote in 2009. ?But, according to Pakistani sources, they have also killed some 700 civilians. This is 50 civilians for every militant killed.?
Making matters worse, Gen. Stanley McChrystal has, indeed, told journalists that in Afghanistan, U.S. troops have ?shot an amazing number of people? and ?none has proven to have been a real threat.? Meanwhile, President Barack Obama used his internationally televised speech at the White House Correspondents Dinner to jest about drone warfare?and the assembled Washington glitterati did, in fact, reward him with approving laughs.
By eerie coincidence, that latter display of monstrous insouciance occurred on the same night as the failed effort to raze Times Square. Though America reacted to that despicable terrorism attempt with its routine spasms of cartoonish shock (why do they hate us?!), the assailant?s motive was anything but baffling. As law enforcement officials soon reported, the accused bomber was probably trained and inspired by Pakistani groups seeking revenge for U.S. drone strikes.
?This is a blowback,? said Pakistan?s foreign minister, Shah Mehmood Qureshi. ?This is a reaction. And you could expect that ... let?s not be naive.?
Obviously, regardless of rationale, a ?reaction? that involves trying to incinerate civilians in Manhattan is abhorrent and unacceptable. But so is Obama?s move to intensify drone assaults that we know are regularly incinerating innocent civilians in Pakistan. And while Qureshi?s statement about ?expecting? blowback seems radical, he?s merely echoing the CIA?s reminder that ?possibilities of blowback? arise when we conduct martial operations abroad.
We might remember that somehow-forgotten warning come the next terrorist assault. No matter how surprised we may feel after that inevitable (and inevitably deplorable) attack, the fact remains that until we halt our own indiscriminately violent actions, we ought to expect equally indiscriminate and equally violent reactions.
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utter and complete bullshit...

they want no contact with the west...i guess rogue religious militants should be making the decisions for the islamic governments around the world?...

i guess the writer wasn`t aware that more people are killed all over the world by islamist extremists each year than in all 350 years of the spanish inquisition?...

it`s all about iraq and afghanistan?...what about the first wtc bombing?...the khobar towers?....and on and on...

in this idiots mind it`s all about iraq and afghanistan...but what about india and the sudan and algeria and russia and chechnya and the philippines and indonesia and nigeria and and thailand and spain and egypt and bangladesh and morocco and yemen and lebanon and france and uzbekistan and tunisia and kosovo and bosnia and kenya and somalia and kuwait and ethiopia and jordan and the uae tanzania and germany and australia and belgium and denmark and qatar and the netherlands and scotland and chad and canada and china and nepal and argentina and on and on and on.....

i don`t know whether to laugh or pity the moron that wrote this...
 

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Don't waste your time Weese in there eyes it's all our country's fault and not theirs.

Every single thing that has been done to us was brought on by us and our ways.It's pretty obvious that it has more to do with the US .They just refuse to admit it.
 
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Don't waste your time Weese in there eyes it's all our country's fault and not there's.

Every single thing that has been done to us was brought on by us and our ways.It's pretty obvious that it has more to do with the US .They just refuse to admit it.

THEIR

How fucking hard is it for you to learn the fucking language?

FUCK
 

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utter and complete bullshit...

they want no contact with the west...i guess rogue religious militants should be making the decisions for the islamic governments around the world?...

i guess the writer wasn`t aware that more people are killed all over the world by islamist extremists each year than in all 350 years of the spanish inquisition?...

it`s all about iraq and afghanistan?...what about the first wtc bombing?...the khobar towers?....and on and on...

in this idiots mind it`s all about iraq and afghanistan...but what about india and the sudan and algeria and russia and chechnya and the philippines and indonesia and nigeria and and thailand and spain and egypt and bangladesh and morocco and yemen and lebanon and france and uzbekistan and tunisia and kosovo and bosnia and kenya and somalia and kuwait and ethiopia and jordan and the uae tanzania and germany and australia and belgium and denmark and qatar and the netherlands and scotland and chad and canada and china and nepal and argentina and on and on and on.....

i don`t know whether to laugh or pity the moron that wrote this...
Lighten up Weezy. You "War on Terror" protagonists should be happy. After all, Obama's lived up to his campaign promises to redeploy troops from Iraq to Afghanistan and to root out terrorist cells in Pakistan.

But if you think for one second that Bush's (and now Obama's) "War on Terror" will not bring blowback on the U.S. and Western Europe for generations to come, then you have achieved a level of denial that's normally only seen in battered wives, Catholic priests & Cubs fans.

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Lighten up Weezy. You "War on Terror" protagonists should be happy. After all, Obama's lived up to his campaign promises to redeploy troops from Iraq to Afghanistan and to root out terrorist cells in Pakistan.

But if you think for one second that Bush's (and now Obama's) "War on Terror" will not bring blowback on the U.S. and Western Europe for generations to come, then you have achieved a level of denial that's normally only seen in battered wives, Catholic priests & Cubs fans.

Trench

That's why it's called a War on Terror.Of course they will try to infiltrate our country and fight back.

It's been going on long before 9/11 .I know all this.But remember one thing its a Global war on terror and to blame one side and our country for that matter is just nuts.
 

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That's why it's called a War on Terror.Of course they will try to infiltrate our country and fight back.

It's been going on long before 9/11 .I know all this.But remember one thing its a Global war on terror and to blame one side and our country for that matter is just nuts.
First, there's no such thing as a "War on Terror". It's a meaningless phrase that plays well in soundbites. War's are fought between nations. Terror is an emotion. It's an overpowering fear in response to a stimulus. Now ask yourself how a nation declares war on an emotion?

The Bush administration made the phrase up to support their military agenda. It essentially gave them carte blanche to attack anyone, anywhere that they deemed to be harboring terrorists. It was the foundation for invading Iraq. The promise of WMD's just made that objective an easy, painless sell to Congress and the American people. If their true agenda was to capture Bin Laden and root out Al Qaeda terror cells, why did they switch their focus from that objective to Saddam Hussein and Iraq?

The fact is if they had captured Bin Laden, it would have complicated things. It would have been a tough sell to both Congress and the American people to convince them an invasion of Iraq was necessary if we had already captured the men responsible for 9/11.

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First, there's no such thing as a "War on Terror". It's a meaningless phrase that plays well in soundbites. War's are fought between nations. Terror is an emotion. It's an overpowering fear in response to a stimulus. Now ask yourself how a nation declares war on an emotion?

The Bush administration made the phrase up to support their military agenda. It essentially gave them carte blanche to attack anyone, anywhere that they deemed to be harboring terrorists. It was the foundation for invading Iraq. The promise of WMD's just made that objective an easy, painless sell to Congress and the American people. If their true agenda was to capture Bin Laden and root out Al Qaeda terror cells, why did they switch their focus from that objective to Saddam Hussein and Iraq?

The fact is if they had captured Bin Laden, it would have complicated things. It would have been a tough sell to both Congress and the American people to convince them an invasion of Iraq was necessary if we had already captured the men responsible for 9/11.

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I'm telling you its useless. Its like debating a moron. I understand how you feel though. Its almost as frustrating as dealing with Hedgy.
 

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I'm telling you its useless. Its like debating a moron. I understand how you feel though. Its almost as frustrating as dealing with Hedgy.

TU ,not everyone thankfully will think or have a mind like yours.Your views are out there and mostly make no sense.

There out of touch with reality.I suggest you and your kind try and stay grounded and make a difference.

Tooting Ron Pauls drum 2+ years before elections still wont make a difference your wasting your time.

Wake Up.
 

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How do you toot a drum ?

Spoken like a true Neocon Rusty, Ron Paul is a Candidate that you warmongers fear ! He shoved Rudy's nose in Shit and any other Repugnican Candidate in shit in '08. McVain sent Lieberman over to the Paul Camp and Begged for support. If you were paying attention, :142smilie you will notice that RP was the ONLY 08 REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE NOT AT THE CONVENTION ! Ron had his own Party going on and stole McVain's and Moose Hunting Barbie's thunder !

You really must not be paying attention to the Republican Race in Kentucky ?

So you can continue to toot your drum and bang your horn :shrug: but you still don't get it !

How about the Chinese park some subs, aircraft carriers and couple infantry divisions outside of Boston?
 

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I think it's simplistic at best, and wrong at worst, to attribute the actions of these Pakistani terrorists directly to drone attacks. He makes it sound like they only got together because of our use of drones. Forgive me if I think that is a very simplistic - and convenient - thought.

These terrorists and training camps don't need anything specific to try to attack us - or more specifically train people who come there to learn how to attack us. While I do think our actions in Iraq were and continue to be a misguided and self-serving mission for a handful of people, I don't think these people can use us as an excuse for their actions in most cases. And perhaps, the Pakistani government, and the people there, should do more to expose these people and groups, and less to allow them to operate and conduct their acts. That's not a simple thing, of course, but it is going on - which allows the problem to go on.

I'm personally happy that our country is able and choses to use drones instead of soldiers. It sickens me to see our soldiers die fighting these wars - whether justifiable or not. Unlike Iraq, there are terrorists in Pakistan, and Afghanistan, and they will do what they can to kill our people - with or without reason. To think otherwise is something I can't understand in most cases.
 

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I do think the negative tie-in to Obama in his use of using drones to protect his daughters is weak - and of course self-serving. I thought those lines were really funny, personally, and were done in an appropriate and narrow situation.
 

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Using a "Death Vehicle" as a punchline is never funny, especially for the POTUS, it wasn't funny when Gee Wiz joked about WMD's, which started one war. Again, how funny will the Preadtors be when they are on the Texas/Mexico Border and they "Accidentally" hit a school bus?
 

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Big difference, in my opinion, between the two jokes. Obama joked about using a drone to protect his daughters. Bush joked - after entering us into a war on false pretenses - that the reason for the war "must be there someplace."

I think in some cases, if you have a sense of humor and don't think the world is out to get you every minute, almost anything can be funny. It's not like he said - "look out, I'll use the drones that have been killing people over there, to protect my daughters over here," or something like that. Bush and Obama's comments were completely different, in my opinion.

Wondering if you think guns can be used in telling jokes? Lots of guns kill lots of innocent people, but I see lots of jokes - especially from NRA supporters - regarding guns and what they can do?
 

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How do you toot a drum ?

Spoken like a true Neocon Rusty, Ron Paul is a Candidate that you warmongers fear ! He shoved Rudy's nose in Shit and any other Repugnican Candidate in shit in '08. McVain sent Lieberman over to the Paul Camp and Begged for support. If you were paying attention, :142smilie you will notice that RP was the ONLY 08 REPUBLICAN PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE NOT AT THE CONVENTION ! Ron had his own Party going on and stole McVain's and Moose Hunting Barbie's thunder !

You really must not be paying attention to the Republican Race in Kentucky ?

So you can continue to toot your drum and bang your horn :shrug: but you still don't get it !

How about the Chinese park some subs, aircraft carriers and couple infantry divisions outside of Boston?

I gotta admit that was funny Illuminati:142smilie
Seriously though my background is unenrolled.

I lean toward the center.I did vote for O this last election.I am not a republican.I know what its like to struggle.

I am married have kids ,work.My oldest is going to on campus living college this fall.

I do believe in state and gov't funded programs for American's.I also believe you have to work to support yourself.I don't know your situation guess it don't really matter.

Life isn't easy.The noose (cost of living gets tighter and tighter).I understand these things.

I know people are angry at the way things are.
I have to believe in my country and pray that things will work.I can't turn my back on my country ,I won't.

While I understand some of your guys politics.
I think in the end its too much over the edge for my political believes.

But this is America and you can express how you feel.I may not agree with it.(exp. the hanging of the flag upside ****,now that makes me angry.)

Anyways,
GL.
 

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I know people are angry at the way things are.
I have to believe in my country and pray that things will work.I can't turn my back on my country ,I won't.

While I understand some of your guys politics.
I think in the end its too much over the edge for my political believes.
So then, because I understand the cause and effect relationship between our foreign policy and blowback events like 9/11, and because you see military imperialism preserving our democracy and I see it destroying it, I've "turned my back on my country"? In the annals of history, no imperialistic military empire has ever survived. Nor will we if we stay that course.

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So then, because I understand the cause and effect relationship between our foreign policy and blowback events like 9/11, and because you see military imperialism preserving our democracy and I see it destroying it, I've "turned my back on my country"? In the annals of history, no imperialistic military empire has ever survived. Nor will we if we stay that course.

Trench

I am more angry with where my money is going.Why am I spending x amount to pay for food,clothing,housing,college,while others get a free ride?I stated I am for gov't and state funded programs(military,college tuition help for example) as long as there used correctly.

If your feeding off the system while I out working I do have a problem with that.I wasn't necessarily talking about 9/11.
 
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