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OBAMA REDISTRIBUTION VICTORY: PRIVATE PAY PLUMMETS, TAXPAYER HANDOUTS SOAR...
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Private pay shrinks to historic lows as gov't payouts rise

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By Dennis Cauchon, USA TODAY
Paychecks from private business shrank to their smallest share of personal income in U.S. history during the first quarter of this year, a USA TODAY analysis of government data finds.
At the same time, government-provided benefits ? from Social Security, unemployment insurance, food stamps and other programs ? rose to a record high during the first three months of 2010.
Those records reflect a long-term trend accelerated by the recession and the federal stimulus program to counteract the downturn. The result is a major shift in the source of personal income from private wages to government programs.

The trend is not sustainable, says University of Michigan economist Donald Grimes. Reason: The federal government depends on private wages to generate income taxes to pay for its ever-more-expensive programs. Government-generated income is taxed at lower rates or not at all, he says. "This is really important," Grimes says.


The recession has erased 8 million private jobs. Even before the downturn, private wages were eroding because of the substitution of health and pension benefits for taxable salaries.

The Bureau of Economic Analysis reports that individuals received income from all sources ? wages, investments, food stamps, etc. ? at a $12.2 trillion annual rate in the first quarter.
Key shifts in income this year:
? Private wages. A record-low 41.9% of the nation's personal income came from private wages and salaries in the first quarter, down from 44.6% when the recession began in December 2007.
?Government benefits. Individuals got 17.9% of their income from government programs in the first quarter, up from 14.2% when the recession started. Programs for the elderly, the poor and the unemployed all grew in cost and importance. An additional 9.8% of personal income was paid as wages to government employees.

Water, an economist at the liberal Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.
"It's the system working as it should," Van de Water says. Government is stimulating growth and helping people in need, he says. As the economy recovers, private wages will rebound, he says.
Economist Veronique de Rugy of the free-market Mercatus Center at George Mason University says the riots in Greece over cutting benefits to close a huge budget deficit are a warning about unsustainable income programs.
Economist David Henderson of the conservative Hoover Institution says a shift from private wages to government benefits saps the economy of dynamism. "People are paid for being rather than for producing," he says.

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of course Obama swore at 2009 state of unuion he was not for big gov--so some may assume these #'s--plus---buy out of auto companies--banks--expansion of welfare benefits--new healthcare entitlements etc are ways to reduce government role :)
 

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Good article, less the Drudge made up headline.

Saw one of Drudge Report headlines last week:

Millions of Pages of New Tax Laws

The actual article had nothing to do with "millions":flush:

Psst: Did you see "the fair and balanced" Faux cut out Obama's applause at the military commencement? Oops. got caught.
 

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Good article, less the Drudge made up headline.

Saw one of Drudge Report headlines last week:

Millions of Pages of New Tax Laws

The actual article had nothing to do with "millions":flush:

Psst: Did you see "the fair and balanced" Faux cut out Obama's applause at the military commencement? Oops. got caught.

no but I did see your Bible
"The Huffers Post" comment on just the opposite

William Astore: Obama: Why West Point?<BUTTON class=ws title=""></BUTTON>
Dec 1, 2009 ... William Astore wrote: "The second message is that Obama is more than willing to ape ... Umm, did you miss the lukewarm applause, scowls, and even sleeping cadets? ... To give a speech to a camera is downright cowardly. ...
<CITE>www.huffingtonpost.com/.../obama-why-west-point_b_374023.html</CITE> - Cached - Similar

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and while on subject I also noticed thay Gumby would be skipping Arlington Cemetary on Memorial Day

--but would be making Paul McCartney concert


:0008 --any other questions :SIB
 
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? Private wages. A record-low 41.9% of the nation's personal income came from private wages and salaries in the first quarter, down from 44.6% when the recession began in December 2007.

So, do you now agree the recession was started during the Bush years? You agree that we WERE in a recession as early (at least) as in 2007? I remember specifically you maintaining we weren't in a recession at that time.

I wonder, as of course we'll never know, had Obama's monetary policies and economic decisions had not been made, what could have happened? I honestly don't know, but I can certainly see logical ways things could have been much worse for the country.
 

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Umm, did you miss the lukewarm applause, scowls, and even sleeping cadets? ... To give a speech to a camera is downright cowardly. ...

I watched the whole program, I several 45 second ovations and the the interview with the kids afterward that were very pleased with the speech.

As for the camera and cowardly? DTB, you are way out there having to criticize the POTUS for looking at a camera once in awhile. Have you never figured out that when the President speaks formally, it has segments meant for all citizens? Cowardly, wow that is quite the dribble.

and while on subject I also noticed thay Gumby would be skipping Arlington Cemetary on Memorial Day

Conservatives' Memorial Day stupidity continues unabated

May 26, 2010 11:34 am ET by Ben Dimiero

If you thought the conservative freak out over news that President Obama plans to attend a Memorial Day ceremony in his hometown of Chicago while Vice President Biden lays a wreath at Arlington National Cemetery couldn't get any stupider than Erick Erickson's claim that it shows Obama "really doesn't like the military," you were wrong.

Enter Fox & Friends.

This morning, Fox & Friends host Brian Kilmeade, historian (with a tenuous grasp on recent history) Richard Miller, National Review's Andrew McCarthy, and former Harry Reid aide Penny Lee discussed the "news" of Obama's Memorial Day plans, accompanied by chyrons featuring the text "Trampling On Tradition?", "Offensive To Soldiers?" and "Memorial Day Miss-Out?"

In order to "Trample on Tradition" as the chyron suggests, or "break tradition" as Kilmeade stated, Obama's decision to attend a ceremony in Chicago instead of Arlington would have to be unprecedented. It isn't.

Let's recap once again, because Fox and co. are having some difficulty with this: In 1983 President Reagan attended a "summit meeting in Williamsburg, Va." on Memorial Day while Deputy Secretary of Defense W. Paul Thayer laid a wreath at Arlington Cemetery. In 1992, George H.W. Bush attended a ceremony in Kennebunkport, Maine (where he also reportedly played a round of golf) while VP Dan Quayle laid the wreath at Arlington. In 2002, President George W. Bush commemorated Memorial Day at Normandy. Shockingly, Fox News wasn't exactly incensed over that one.

During the segment, Andrew McCarthy used this non-story as evidence that Obama is "uncomfortable" with the military, which he sees as a "necessary evil." McCarthy also said Obama "doesn't want to be associated with the traditions" of the military. This makes absolutely no sense, seeing as how Obama just gave the commencement speech at West Point last weekend (which Kilmeade surprisingly pointed out), and will be at a military cemetery on Memorial Day.

The fact that each of the last three Republican Presidents did not attend Memorial Day ceremonies at Arlington Cemetery at least once should put to rest this latest cynical attempt to smear Obama as anti-military. If the thrust of the attack is that this "breaks tradition" and is therefore possibly "offensive" to soldiers, then conservatives either need to abandon this talking point or embrace the idea that several of their Republican heroes also hated the troops.

But that's not how the noise machine works, which Erick Erickson demonstrated on Twitter yesterday.

;)
 

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? Private wages. A record-low 41.9% of the nation's personal income came from private wages and salaries in the first quarter, down from 44.6% when the recession began in December 2007.

So, do you now agree the recession was started during the Bush years? You agree that we WERE in a recession as early (at least) as in 2007? I remember specifically you maintaining we weren't in a recession at that time.

I wonder, as of course we'll never know, had Obama's monetary policies and economic decisions had not been made, what could have happened? I honestly don't know, but I can certainly see logical ways things could have been much worse for the country.

Which recession in Bush years Chad--the on clinton left him- compounded by collapse of world com and enron- he brought us out of in less than a year--the one after 911/katrina he again brought us out of in less than a year--or the at tail end of his term. If memory serves me correctly--he used tax cuts to spur growth whiched worked despite the Dems saying it couldn;t.

We are now in process of seeing what a Dem congress and pres --tax and spend philosophy does. 1st 1 1/2 years sure aren't pretty--they got 6 more months until the revolution the way I see it :)
 

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Ok, have it your way, Wayne. Bush had two separate recessions, not just one. I forgot, things were worse than I thought.

Thanks.

I do note, though, you are now saying they were recessions - which I don't remember you agreeing to at the time.

Thanks again. :)
 

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Conservatives' Memorial Day stupidity continues unabated

May 26, 2010 11:34 am ET by Ben Dimiero

If you thought the conservative freak out over news that President Obama plans to attend a Memorial Day ceremony in his hometown of Chicago while Vice President Biden lays a wreath at Arlington National Cemetery couldn't get any stupider than Erick Erickson's claim that it shows Obama "really doesn't like the military," you were wrong.

Enter Fox & Friends.

This morning, Fox & Friends host Brian Kilmeade, historian (with a tenuous grasp on recent history) Richard Miller, National Review's Andrew McCarthy, and former Harry Reid aide Penny Lee discussed the "news" of Obama's Memorial Day plans, accompanied by chyrons featuring the text "Trampling On Tradition?", "Offensive To Soldiers?" and "Memorial Day Miss-Out?"

In order to "Trample on Tradition" as the chyron suggests, or "break tradition" as Kilmeade stated, Obama's decision to attend a ceremony in Chicago instead of Arlington would have to be unprecedented. It isn't.

Let's recap once again, because Fox and co. are having some difficulty with this: In 1983 President Reagan attended a "summit meeting in Williamsburg, Va." on Memorial Day while Deputy Secretary of Defense W. Paul Thayer laid a wreath at Arlington Cemetery. In 1992, George H.W. Bush attended a ceremony in Kennebunkport, Maine (where he also reportedly played a round of golf) while VP Dan Quayle laid the wreath at Arlington. In 2002, President George W. Bush commemorated Memorial Day at Normandy. Shockingly, Fox News wasn't exactly incensed over that one.

During the segment, Andrew McCarthy used this non-story as evidence that Obama is "uncomfortable" with the military, which he sees as a "necessary evil." McCarthy also said Obama "doesn't want to be associated with the traditions" of the military. This makes absolutely no sense, seeing as how Obama just gave the commencement speech at West Point last weekend (which Kilmeade surprisingly pointed out), and will be at a military cemetery on Memorial Day.

The fact that each of the last three Republican Presidents did not attend Memorial Day ceremonies at Arlington Cemetery at least once should put to rest this latest cynical attempt to smear Obama as anti-military. If the thrust of the attack is that this "breaks tradition" and is therefore possibly "offensive" to soldiers, then conservatives either need to abandon this talking point or embrace the idea that several of their Republican heroes also hated the troops.

But that's not how the noise machine works, which Erick Erickson demonstrated on Twitter yesterday.

;)

Exactly how did you post a -Posted by DOGS THAT BARK--and fill it in with something I never posted?

I be waiting for answer before I comment further---
 

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Ok, have it your way, Wayne. Bush had two separate recessions, not just one. I forgot, things were worse than I thought.

Thanks.

I do note, though, you are now saying they were recessions - which I don't remember you agreeing to at the time.

Thanks again. :)

On a different tangent--I didn't want to corrupt the -pay up you stiff thread--and it gots nothing to do with who is involved--or right or wrong-but just wanted to say I was impressed by your publically taking diff road from mainstream of peers because of personal /experience belief--thats quite an admirable trait :0008
 

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Thanks, Wayne. I just felt it appropriate that I shared something that was very important and appreciated by me at the time. Not to say my "thing" was important, or relevant to the issues at hand, but sometimes as you mention there is a pile on mentality. That never happens here, does it? ;)

I hesitated to mention things at all, because I don't know the other issues - which did not sound good from Jack's perspective, having tried to run a site like this before in my past - it's a fine line to walk dealing with folks making claims against advertisers, and vice-versa. I had my fill of it, happy to let Jack fight the battles now. He does a great job, to his credit.
 

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Trench & Tramp are same guy notice how scedules are same?

Both are welfare babys suckling goverment tit. :shrug:

Both like to defend darkies homos and joos.
DTGumby... to achieve self awareness, you gotta ask yourself if your paranoia comes from your bigotry, or vice-versa? ;)

Tr_____ (fill in the blank) :142smilie
 

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T-Brothers --Thanks

I see not much of a prob--if one is inclined to do so. Didn't think KC would stoop to such measures--but also didn't think he run a grift on forum members either-

DECEIT


fraudulence: the quality of being fraudulent
misrepresentation: a misleading falsehood
deception: the act of deceiving
 

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T-Brothers --Thanks

I see not much of a prob--if one is smart. If I went to colledge and red books I could be smart to ---- like u guys. Sometime I wish I was smart. I do ok four guy with GED tho.

You guys should come to BG-Ky. I'll bye first round of beers. :toast:
Awe, that's sweet. I almost feel bad about calling you DTGumby...well, almost. Thanks for the invite! I can't speak for Trench (oops, I mean Tramp) but I just might take you up on that. :0008

Tramp (damn it!)... Trench
 

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T-Brothers --Thanks

I see not much of a prob--if one is inclined to do so. Didn't think KC would stoop to such measures--but also didn't think he run a grift on forum members either-

DECEIT


fraudulence: the quality of being fraudulent
misrepresentation: a misleading falsehood
deception: the act of deceiving

I didn't think I would get the cold shoulder after apologizing and admitting I was wrong, two times recently.

Just the opposite happened, you threw a verbal knife in my back that is hard to forget about, DTB.

If you want to continue to go low, I can too. It is really hard to be nice to someone who is never wrong.
 

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It is really hard to be nice to someone who is never wrong.
Bingo. It's one thing to post opinions. It's another thing to continually post untruths, then get called on it by others, ignore all responses and move on to another thread. That's his schtick.

Trench
 

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I didn't think I would get the cold shoulder after apologizing and admitting I was wrong, two times recently.

Just the opposite happened, you threw a verbal knife in my back that is hard to forget about, DTB.

If you want to continue to go low, I can too. It is really hard to be nice to someone who is never wrong.

I believe most can tell the diff between reporting facts and blatant deception.

You really have hit the bottom when your last resort is --if you can't dispute what they say--engineer what they say-then dispute it.

--would suggest you might consider changing forum name and reinvent yourself--or sticking to areas of forum where people aren't privvy to your actions.
I haven't/won't bring any references of your actions here in other forum sections--as you have friends there and have earned their friendship--it's not a personal issue with me--it's about my distain liberal mentality in general.
 

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I believe most can tell the diff between reporting facts and blatant deception.

You really have hit the bottom when your last resort is --if you can't dispute what they say--engineer what they say-then dispute it.

--would suggest you might consider changing forum name and reinvent yourself--or sticking to areas of forum where people aren't privvy to your actions.
I haven't/won't bring any references of your actions here in other forum sections--as you have friends there and have earned their friendship--it's not a personal issue with me--it's about my distain liberal mentality in general.

Wayne, thank you for pointing out my failures as a human being. I am sorry. I hope you can find the energy to accept my apology. If I need to change my name, I'm not worthy of posting anything.
 

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Wayne, I forgot to add you one thing.

Since you have thought about spreading what I say in this forum to other forums, fell free to do so. I never had any intention of hiding anything. Thanks for listening Wayne.
 
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