obama administration working for you....

[gardenweasel]

i feel badly for posting it,if what`s being reported after the fact is true...

if so,it deserves to be made right...

if it can be proven that breitbart edited the tape to purposefully misrepresent her speech,she should sue his ass.....

he could be done as a reporter/blogger....and if true,he should be....

 

[Chadman]

Why would they retract what is already done? Would only make matters worse

Why? Maybe because it might be the appropriate thing to do? And it would only make matters worse for who? The person who might have been trying to shed light on racist issues by speaking frankly (presumption on my part, in reality) about a situation years ago, in a time where racism was far more prevalent and accepted? And for what result ? To be vilified, harrassed, and fired?

I can think of a few good reasons to retract a lot of things in this situation - depending on the ultimate realities we'll either learn or we won't, of course.

 

[gardenweasel]

Always enjoy reading your posts Chadman ,but I think your reaching here.Why would they retract what is already done?Would only make matters worse.Even if they feel they made a mistake my thinking would be to let it go.

JMO.

nah...all the whells of the bus haven`t even successfully traversed the body yet.....:142smilie

that won`t fly...the naacp is already retracting their initial statement condemning her words..........

this has to be made right...i would applaud the administration for reversing their decision...

 

[Trench]

I know one thing for sure--you didn't see that on the "W"ET network.

Your prob trench- your own like Jessie and Co are responsible for keeping you down--not us.

They keep giving you excuses for failure and you keep buying into them rather than admit your responsible for your own destiny.

Look around--there are lots of successful black people--ask them about opportunity and use them as role model--you never know --5 years from now they may wean you from that gov tit and have against tax increases if you heed their advice.

When I need some financial advice, I'll let you know DTB. In the meantime, I'll go on enjoying a successful career and life in one of the most progressive cities in the U.S.

I don't mean to be critical, but judging from the photo below, you, on the other hand, may want to consider some home improvements...

Trench

 

[gardenweasel]

When I need some financial advice, I'll let you know DTB. In the meantime, I'll go on enjoying a successful career and life in one of the most progressive cities in the U.S.



Trench

you might want to consider a career change...your unemployment bene`s might only last through november...

 

[Chadman]

I do find it interesting how flippant some people - who the current financial and economic issues in our country have not touched YET - are in labeling unemployment benefits as something completely reprehensible, laughable, embarrassing, or whatever political angle suits their interest of the day.

For many people, these benefits are incredibly important, and are a huge part of their daily lives. But, it's SO easy for some to whitewash them as being wasteful, useless, etc. And the amount of money that is dispersed is FAR less than many were making. And will not come close to taking care of what needs to be taken care of for an average family. But yes, those people could get a shit job, part time, and give up those benefits, because they would not be eligible for them, if they were "Motivated" and "worthwhile" individuals. Or, they might not find a shit job, because there is so much competition for those shit jobs now, and there are fewer shit jobs out there, because the economy sucks.

MUCH more important to put a spotlight on this, and the deficit, while advocating tax cuts for the upper 1% (or higher) wage earners, while not coming up with anything that will curb THOSE deficits.

I believe someone in this forum was talking about hypocrisy, and wielding it as a political stance, just this week. I'd say this is worth a look, and theory. And conservatives are all about these IMPORTANT continuation of the tax cuts (which I can understand from economic issues, depending on how you look at things) for the wealthiest of the wealthy - AT A TIME OF TWO OR THREE WARS. Never, before BUSH, have we EVER gone down this road. And now, we have this example of what political ideology is all about - AGAIN.

Cut taxes for a select few. Continue arguable wars, which cost more than anything else we engage in as a country, from an elective point of view. Deny unemployment benefits from people affected by a bad economy, because we need to be "responsible."

Okay... :SIB

 

[Trench]

you might want to consider a career change...your unemployment bene`s might only last through november...

I've only been on unemployment once in my life, from April/93 to July/93, when the company I was working for lost its government contracts and they layed off 60% of their professional staff. Even during those 3 months, I was working part-time and taking a class at the UW.

Oops... I guess I busted the myth that you and DTB like to spread about liberals. My bad. :142smilie

Trench

 

[Chadman]

By the way, I wonder how many people realize they pay FICA every paycheck, which is designed to go specifically for unemployment benefits and scenarios? Shouldn't those people who have paid into this program their entire working lives not be concerned about drawing the benefits they've funded their entire working lives for a reasonable amount of time, after losing their job due to a bad economy?

I get so tired of the paintbrush absolutes that fly around this forum, and in sections of this country, from time to time. NOTHING or very little is absolute. To take positions that you are completely unfamiliar with, and can't hope to understand, are arguable, to say the least.

 

[kcwolf]

Good points Chad.

I'd like to take a moment to apologize to GW for my remarks. I'm sure none of us knew the whole story. Breitbart is an evil person and deserves what is coming to him. Knowing his past record with Acorn, I'm disappointed with all media over this thing. I wrote a letter to MSNBC asking for some sort of recant.

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

When I need some financial advice, I'll let you know DTB. In the meantime, I'll go on enjoying a successful career and life in one of the most progressive cities in the U.S.

I don't mean to be critical, but judging from the photo below, you, on the other hand, may want to consider some home improvements...

Trench

You have a credibilty prob ONCE AGAIN -

Real world vs cyber fantasies

My home and business location are in real directories and easy to find -you can visit anytime--open doors

I'm having a bit of a prob finding a cyber punk directory-
-to locate that cyber house and cyber job you got.

-Could you assist us :0corn

 

[Trampled Underfoot]

You have a credibilty prob ONCE AGAIN -

Real world vs cyber fantasies

My home and business location are in real directories and easy to find -you can visit anytime--open doors

I'm having a bit of a prob finding a cyber punk directory-
-to locate that cyber house and cyber job you got.

-Could you assist us :0corn

You are nuts if you post your personal info. I don't want any right wing nut jobs with my personal info. The more you go on about this makes me wonder about your mental state. As if any of us have anything to prove to YOU. :mj07:

 

[The Sponge]

You are nuts if you post your personal info. I don't want any right wing nut jobs with my personal info. The more you go on about this makes me wonder about your mental state. As if any of us have anything to prove to YOU. :mj07:

i stayed away from the political site for about a year and he is saying the same tired old shit he said five years ago. Like this proves anything. I actually think it is a cry out for friends or sum shit like that. His post are like watching reruns of Gilligans Island :facepalm:

 

[Trench]

You have a credibilty prob ONCE AGAIN -

Real world vs cyber fantasies

My home and business location are in real directories and easy to find -you can visit anytime--open doors

I'm having a bit of a prob finding a cyber punk directory-
-to locate that cyber house and cyber job you got.

-Could you assist us :0corn

Not sure why you think anyone cares what your home and work address are. I think Tramp & Spongey may be right... it could be a cry for help.

We're here for you if you need us DTB.

Trench

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Hmm you got all us normal people worried.

Ya all think we should wear disguises this week so no one know who the others are-maybe sign in under alias

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

Good observations, Wease, always nice to see retrospection. One thing that immediately occurred to me with the Obama admin supposedly (she says) asking her to step aside - isn't this a product of the whole situation of Obama being examined so closely on race issues? Of course - EVERYONE who took this at face value thinks this black woman should be fired for what she did to a white person - i.e. racism in narrow form. So, the administration acts quickly (often ridiculed for taking too much time to act, right?) and aggressively against a black person's presumed racist act - and now they are being ridiculed for acting too quickly.

Falls into the "can't win" department, doesn't it? And if they do come back out and say she should be rehired, Obama will be looked at as defending a black person who at least in part participated in racist activities.

Of course, nothing of value in this black woman taking three trips WITH this white family to assist them in the new option of bankruptcy, instead of giving them a handout. How will conservatives handle that sticky wicket?

Wow, this situation is a doozy, ain't it?

I think this lady has to take some responsibily--unless video was altered -she said what she said--did she not?

I don't it was big deal what she said or she should have lost her job.-

--but here is naacp full length take--someone show me part that indicates Breiharts clip was altered or taken out of context.

http://www.naacp.org/news/entry/video_sherrod/

 

[Mags]

Good observations, Wease, always nice to see retrospection. One thing that immediately occurred to me with the Obama admin supposedly (she says) asking her to step aside - isn't this a product of the whole situation of Obama being examined so closely on race issues? Of course - EVERYONE who took this at face value thinks this black woman should be fired for what she did to a white person - i.e. racism in narrow form. So, the administration acts quickly (often ridiculed for taking too much time to act, right?) and aggressively against a black person's presumed racist act - and now they are being ridiculed for acting too quickly.

Falls into the "can't win" department, doesn't it? And if they do come back out and say she should be rehired, Obama will be looked at as defending a black person who at least in part participated in racist activities.

Of course, nothing of value in this black woman taking three trips WITH this white family to assist them in the new option of bankruptcy, instead of giving them a handout. How will conservatives handle that sticky wicket?

Wow, this situation is a doozy, ain't it?

Chad:

I think you hit it on the head - there is no way Obama could win on this one.

BUT, I think you are wrong thinking it is a race issue with Obama. Many, many Americans are looking for a way, any way, to take Obama down. Not because he is Black. Not because he is White. Not even if we was Green.

People, overall, don't like his policies and decisions. Much of what he has done has been clearly against the majority of the people's wishes (healthcare and the suit against Arizona are 2 good examples).

The fact that his approval rating has plummeted in a way no other president's has before is very telling. Yes, Obama can't catch a break - no doubt. He took a lot of heat for the Oil Spill - unjustly in my opinion.

But so many people are unhapp with the current direction of the country and the socialistic/liberal agenda of Mr. Obama and the Dems which results in EVERY move of Obama being scrutinized to the nth degree.

From everything I've seen, the country wants to move on from this administration, back to one that is more in line with American values (which I read is much more center). The real worry I have, come 2012, is that the Repubs won't be able to put up a candidate that is likeable enough to win and vote for.

And, of course, there is the risk that the Tea Party will screw things up enough to divide anti-socialist votes (read Republican) into more than 1 candidate, giving the socialism party a chance to win again.

Ok, that was a bit harsh, but you get my point..

 

[kcwolf]

I'm dumbfounded by the last two posts. I expected better from DTB and my friend Mags.

I think I'll have to let it rest and comment some other day. I will say this to DTB, you want Sherrod to take some of the blame? She did in her speech, which was 26 years ago. You tell me how you can defend Breitbart digging up an old speech, putting it on his website and now verified it on Fox 5 minutes later? How can you ignore this? Everybody was at fault except Sherrod.

Mags, you and I have lived long enough and through enough presidents to notice a big change. You have to admit, the last 18 months has been unprecedented. It's something no one wants to talk about. Never before has the minority in congress taken such unprecedented procedural moves. Before this year, waving the 40 hour discussion period was the norm. Now it is invoked all the time - one is going on right now.

Never before have you seen so many filibusters. Never before have we seen such polarization. Never before, have we seen 5 sitting senators who don't believe Obama was born here. I don't know the count for U.S. Representatives. Never before has a President had to deal with days of news cycle over nothing (Sherrod). We don't need to be reminded of the weeks worth of news about the policeman/professor. Never before have we seen such smearing from southern state representatives - governors, senators, etc.

Never before have we seen a news station promote and employ candidates of one party like now. I guy like Huckabee has no business having a show while running for president and allowed to direct money to his PAC.

I have thought to hard about what is happenoing since we had a black president elected. I hoped and hoped it wasn't so, but race has and will continue to get thrown into this sad mess.

When Breitbart got nailed for cutting tape and bringing down Acorn, this wasn't about race? Acorn has since been vindicated, but the job was accomplished by this racist. Breitbart got the job done again this time. This wasn't about race. We are long past closing our eyes, yet many won't go there. We never learn. Someone I knew personaly, a very good person is dead today because we turn away and laugh about racists who speak out all the time. I give up.

 

[Mags]

Mags, you and I have lived long enough and through enough presidents to notice a big change. You have to admit, the last 18 months has been unprecedented. It's something no one wants to talk about. Never before has the minority in congress taken such unprecedented procedural moves. Before this year, waving the 40 hour discussion period was the norm. Now it is invoked all the time - one is going on right now.

Never before have you seen so many filibusters. Never before have we seen such polarization. Never before, have we seen 5 sitting senators who don't believe Obama was born here. I don't know the count for U.S. Representatives. Never before has a President had to deal with days of news cycle over nothing (Sherrod). We don't need to be reminded of the weeks worth of news about the policeman/professor. Never before have we seen such smearing from southern state representatives - governors, senators, etc.

Never before have we seen a news station promote and employ candidates of one party like now. I guy like Huckabee has no business having a show while running for president and allowed to direct money to his PAC.

I have thought to hard about what is happenoing since we had a black president elected. I hoped and hoped it wasn't so, but race has and will continue to get thrown into this sad mess.

When Breitbart got nailed for cutting tape and bringing down Acorn, this wasn't about race? Acorn has since been vindicated, but the job was accomplished by this racist. Breitbart got the job done again this time. This wasn't about race. We are long past closing our eyes, yet many won't go there. We never learn. Someone I knew personaly, a very good person is dead today because we turn away and laugh about racists who speak out all the time. I give up.

KC, it is nice hearing from you again.

I really don't believe race has anything to do with Obama's troubles. He is a very likeable guy - and he is as much white as he is black (50/50 if i remember right). It may matter to a few people, but I'd like to think the vast majority of people look past his race and judge him by his policies and agenda. Look at the polling when he was elected - his approval rating was very high - which it wouldn't have been if it was a racial issue. Since then, his approval rating has dropped faster and lower than any president in history - and that isn't because of his race, as his race has changed. It is his policies and agenda, whcih the majority of Americans soundly reject.

And that is what stinks. The procedures he used, and the lying he involked, to get the health care bill through was unprecidented. Just the cost estimate portion alone was unbelievable - and it has recently come out that Sebellius had the updated cost estimates from the CBO that showed that the bill would increase the deficit and spending but she suppressed the info "as to not influence the voting". The Dems knew that this was a bad bill. It didn't touch the cost drivers at all - Docs/Hospitals/Rx all got a pass. People will get less choice (you can't really keep your plan if you like it, as Obama lied about). People were soundly against the bill when it got snuck through in the middle of the night on Christmas Eve (that should say enough right there - Christmas Eve!), and public sentiment hasn't changed.

Then the AZ issue - where again Obama is trying to dictate to the people against their wishes. The takeover of the auto industry. The ballout of Wall Street. The refusal to regulate Fanny and Freddie Mac (the real instigators of the real estate meltdown).

Poll after poll shows that people still like Obama as a person, but do not like his socialistic policies. This is not about race - it is about Americans strong belief on the capitalism system on which we are founded, and their rejection of moving to a socialistic system.

I applaud the Reps who are standing up to Obama and his "changing" of America. It is the only tactic they could use to help us remain true to the founding fathers. Once the Repubs get the majoirty in the House (which they clearly have a chance this year), I think things will change drastically. For one thing, I'm sure Issa from CA will immediately begin an investigation into the Chicago style politics and intimidation that have gone on in the White House. The bribery that went on in the health care fiasco was at unprecidented levels. The offering jobs to not run in runoff races - isn't it the people to decide who they want to elect, not the WH to decide who they should elect? This issue will come back to bite Obama - especially if there was any sort of coverup on this (which I think there clearly was, based on some of the evidence that has come out). Remember, Nixon didn't get impeached because of what he did, he got impeached for the effort of covering up the crime.

We have a lot of damage to undo after the country removes Obama from office. But I'm confident that we have enough bright minds in this country that we'll be able to restore our original founders' ideals and prosper again!

But KC, to simply say this is a race issue is not only an insult to America, but it couldn't be farther than the truth. It is an agenda issue - and the people aren't buying.

 

[Trench]

I think this lady has to take some responsibily--unless video was altered -she said what she said--did she not?

--but here is naacp full length take--someone show me part that indicates Breiharts clip was altered or taken out of context.

http://www.naacp.org/news/entry/video_sherrod/

You didn't even watch the video. If you had watched all 43 minutes of it, there's no way you could make those statements.

So who's kidding who? You have no intention of watching it.

You'll just keep doin the ol' Neocon Shuffle... :0064

Trench

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

I'm dumbfounded by the last two posts. I expected better from DTB and my friend Mags.

I think I'll have to let it rest and comment some other day. I will say this to DTB, you want Sherrod to take some of the blame? She did in her speech, which was 26 years ago. You tell me how you can defend Breitbart digging up an old speech, putting it on his website and now verified it on Fox 5 minutes later? How can you ignore this? Everybody was at fault except Sherrod.

Mags, you and I have lived long enough and through enough presidents to notice a big change. You have to admit, the last 18 months has been unprecedented. It's something no one wants to talk about. Never before has the minority in congress taken such unprecedented procedural moves. Before this year, waving the 40 hour discussion period was the norm. Now it is invoked all the time - one is going on right now.

Never before have you seen so many filibusters. Never before have we seen such polarization. Never before, have we seen 5 sitting senators who don't believe Obama was born here. I don't know the count for U.S. Representatives. Never before has a President had to deal with days of news cycle over nothing (Sherrod). We don't need to be reminded of the weeks worth of news about the policeman/professor. Never before have we seen such smearing from southern state representatives - governors, senators, etc.

Never before have we seen a news station promote and employ candidates of one party like now. I guy like Huckabee has no business having a show while running for president and allowed to direct money to his PAC.

I have thought to hard about what is happenoing since we had a black president elected. I hoped and hoped it wasn't so, but race has and will continue to get thrown into this sad mess.

When Breitbart got nailed for cutting tape and bringing down Acorn, this wasn't about race? Acorn has since been vindicated, but the job was accomplished by this racist. Breitbart got the job done again this time. This wasn't about race. We are long past closing our eyes, yet many won't go there. We never learn. Someone I knew personaly, a very good person is dead today because we turn away and laugh about racists who speak out all the time. I give up.

Let me get this straight--you think Breihart put up video that was made 26 years ago?

One of us is all wet on this issue--I am under impression this video is from
--recent NAACP gathering accusing (another org that welcomes all races)--on being racist-bigoted and predjudice.

Where am I wrong?