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I’ve traveled to Hot Springs to watch this clash on Saturday. Anyone have a feel for this race. Sovereignty and Journalism seems to be the logical choice, but they’re coming off long layoffs, White Abrrio is a 7u/o that’s a contender, won the breeders cup. Publisher is a local horse that’s won 3 straight at Oaklawn. Any thoughts would be appreciated

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Well, I can handicap the race and tell you who I like. So you'll at least know who NOT to bet.

Honestly though? Only a 6-horse field with 3 short-priced horses... looks like a shitty betting race.
 
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Ok, Boomer (ha, see what I did there!), here goes nothing. And just one note... I use Thorograph for my handicapping. In case you're not familiar, they take into account a lot of factors, including weight and ground loss. Quick example, say two horses finish in a dead heat. But one horse was carrying 6 more pounds and also ran wider around both turns. Well, the Beyer # will be identical, but Thorograph will have that horse as faster. It's a great tool. Just an FYI, so when I say one horse is "faster", that may conflict with what the program or Beyer shows.

One more note... there doesn't appear to be ANY pace in this race. So it's very possible one of these horses (or more than one) will try to take advantage of that and wire the field. Hell, no reason for one of the longshots NOT to try it.

At 9 furlongs, there's a long run into the first turn, so ground loss shouldn't be much of an issue, especially with just 6 horses.

White Abarrio (carrying 121 lbs) - He's run once this year, in the Pegasus. However, he was quite a bit slower than last year. All his races the last 2 years have been at Gulfstream or Saratoga. Saffie Joseph Jr does have good #s at Oaklawn Park. On his best, White Abarrio is faster than anyone else in this race has run. But he's 7 years old. Personally, I'd need a lot better than 7-2 to bet him. But if he has another huge one in him, he can certainly win. Oh, side note... really sounds like his late scratch at the Breeders Cup was complete bullshit. His owners have filed a lawsuit. (I only see one race on a off track. It was last year, and his worst race of the year.)

Liberal Arts (116) - Coming off a nearly 12-month layoff. At this weight, if he runs his best, he could run as well as White Abarrio. However, trainer Heather Irion is 0-28 at Oaklawn, with only 18% in the money (40% ITM overall). And I don't like his inconsistent work tab. That said, at 15-1, I'd take a shot with him underneath the top choices instead of White Abarrio. (I see 3 races on off tracks, and all 3 were his career best at that time, or matched his career best. So I'd say he likes the mud.)

Sovereignty (123) - Nothing to knock on this horse. Other than his first race, he's finished first or second every time out, and he's won 4 straight. Hasn't raced since the Travers. Good, steady work tab leading into this. Mott is solid at Oaklawn. Sovereignty's improvement throughout the year last year is impressive. One of the most consistent patterns I've seen. And now that he's 4, no reason to think he won't be even faster this year. I see no reason to think he won't run well today. (Only one race on a sloppy track, and that was the Kentucky Derby last year. Which he won. Shouldn't be an issue.)

Now I decide to check the fucking weather. Looks like storms moving through the area. Which means I gotta go back and add notes for an off track.

Duke of Duval (116) - The first of two Asmussen entries. This horse has never run anything close to the numbers of the other horses in this race. Only in this race so Asmussen can get his son (jockey Keith Asmussen) a start in a Grade II?

Journalism (119) - His consistency last year is impressive. BUT, you'd really like to see a 3-year old horse improve throughout the year, but Journalism was only a hair faster in November than he was in March. He can certainly jump forward in his first start as a 4-year old. Trainer McCarthy has a very good record at Oaklawn in a short sample size (29% winners in 17 starts). Only one off track start, also in last year's Derby. He ran second as the fav and had a little trouble, so mud may not be an issue. But, being based in Southern California, it's not something he sees often.

Publisher (118) - The other Asmussen entry. Publisher is already making his 4th start this year. He just broke his maiden in February, starting a 3-race win streak. Despite his lack of wins before this year, he has run against some good competition. He finished 2nd in last year's Arkansas Derby before being overmatched in the Kentucky Derby. That said, his #s are a few lengths slower than the top 3 horses in this field. His first two wins this year were on muddy/sloppy tracks at Oaklawn.

Just looked at the pace scenarios a little more. There is NOTHING to work with here. White Abarrio is the only horse in this field who has led a race at the first call. He did it once, last year, in a 6-horse field at Gulfstream. Since he's on the rail... they'll probably try it again.

As expected, Boomer, doesn't look like a great opportunity to make money. I gotta believe Sovereignty will be even lower than 4/5 at post time. And deservedly so. Since I just put all this time into the race, I'll throw a few bucks on it myself. If you're just looking for a win bet, I'd lay the short # with Sovereignty.

If you're looking to take some shots... what I think I'm going to do is play some exactas with Sovereignty on top of Liberal Arts and Publisher (on the off chance Journalism doesn't run well) and some tris with Sovereignty on top of Journalism, Liberal Arts and Publisher. Still won't pay much, but the closest thing to value in this race is getting one of two of the bombs on the board.

And maybe some straight tris with Sovereignty over Journalism over (Liberal Arts and Publisher).

Good luck, and stay dry!!
 
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Thank you very much. It poured for about an hour around 11:30. And fwiw the temp dropped 10° after the front blew through. It will be an off track but maybe not sloppy. I think WA will try to wire them. (A couple of dudes I talked to today out here are big on him.) I backed Sovereignty every race he’s ran and I’ll prob be on him again today. Journalism has a lot of heart, almost got knocked down in the Preakness and still won. I’ve never witnessed horses of this caliber race. We had a bunch of also rans in Bham when we had a track.
 

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Thank you very much. It poured for about an hour around 11:30. And fwiw the temp dropped 10° after the front blew through. It will be an off track but maybe not sloppy. I think WA will try to wire them. (A couple of dudes I talked to today out here are big on him.) I backed Sovereignty every race he’s ran and I’ll prob be on him again today. Journalism has a lot of heart, almost got knocked down in the Preakness and still won. I’ve never witnessed horses of this caliber race. We had a bunch of also rans in Bham when we had a track.
No problem. I don't handicap much these days, so it was fun to dig into a race.

I guess my thought on WA... either put him on top or don't use him.

Given my track record (Ha! My "track" record!), this means WA is a lock to finish exactly 2nd.
 
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Oh, and the horse I own a tiny, tiny share of is racing tomorrow at Santa Anita. 8th race. It's an even worse betting race than the Oaklawn Handicap.

Her name is Simply Joking and she's a very slight favorite over the Baffert horse.
 
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Unreal. Sovereignty and Journalism battled for the front and set fast fractions for a 9 furlong race. And in the process they burned each other out. Brilliant!

Boomer, I hope you had a great time! Very cool, seeing some of the top horses in training.

I've been lucky enough to see some greats at Saratoga. In 2001, I saw Point Given win the Travers and in 2009, I was near the finish line to see Rachel Alexandra beat the boys in the Woodward. Awesome race, and I still get goose bumps when I listen to Tom Durkin's call.
 
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Oh, and the horse I own a tiny, tiny share of is racing tomorrow at Santa Anita. 8th race. It's an even worse betting race than the Oaklawn Handicap.

Her name is Simply Joking and she's a very slight favorite over the Baffert horse.




Whoa wait a minute you own a piece of Simply Joking? How much? Whit had the horse so what happened there?
 

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Thank you very much. It poured for about an hour around 11:30. And fwiw the temp dropped 10° after the front blew through. It will be an off track but maybe not sloppy. I think WA will try to wire them. (A couple of dudes I talked to today out here are big on him.) I backed Sovereignty every race he’s ran and I’ll prob be on him again today. Journalism has a lot of heart, almost got knocked down in the Preakness and still won. I’ve never witnessed horses of this caliber race. We had a bunch of also rans in Bham when we had a track.


I went to get a racing form at that track probably 10 years ago. Track was run down and not kept up at all. Had grass everywhere on the track.
 

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I went to get a racing form at that track probably 10 years ago. Track was run down and not kept up at all. Had grass everywhere on the track.
It’s an odd track. The paddock is inside where the fans and windows are. I rode an elevator that the lady working it said was 105 years old and that the track is 125 years old.
 

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Unreal. Sovereignty and Journalism battled for the front and set fast fractions for a 9 furlong race. And in the process they burned each other out. Brilliant!

Boomer, I hope you had a great time! Very cool, seeing some of the top horses in training.

I've been lucky enough to see some greats at Saratoga. In 2001, I saw Point Given win the Travers and in 2009, I was near the finish line to see Rachel Alexandra beat the boys in the Woodward. Awesome race, and I still get goose bumps when I listen to Tom Durkin's call.
It was the fastest Oaklawn Handicap since 1995.
 

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Whoa wait a minute you own a piece of Simply Joking? How much? Whit had the horse so what happened there?
Pretty straightforward. They wanted to move her to the west coast. I wouldn't be surprised if this was at least partly driven by how much she hated the mud in the Oaks. A lot less mud in Southern California. And, like I said, I own a tiny, tiny share. Through one of those microshare things.

The Kentucky Oaks contender is ready to head back to the racetrack! Since getting back under tack and into work, she has been moving and looking great! With the racing schedule and picking the best spot for a return, the Management Team has made the decision to send Simply Joking to the West Coast to train with Michael McCarthy. A Multiple Graded stakes-winning trainer, McCarthy trained this year’s Triple Crown contender and three-time G1W Journalism and G1W Queen Goddess for partners Grantley Acres. Simply Joking will be pointing towards the late December G1 La Brea Stakes at Santa Anita Park. The race for 3-year-old fillies is over seven furlongs on the dirt and carries a purse of $300,000. From there, the G1 Beholder Mile is an obvious next target. Horse racing is often unpredictable, so we’re always careful not to get too far ahead of ourselves, but it's important to us that you understand the reasons behind decisions. Given that there are no appropriate G1s throughout the winter months for Simply Joking on the East Coast, California was the most obvious target. The management team has consulted with several industry experts to get a second opinion, and all agree, sending her West is best; not just for her but for the partners. Simply Joking boards a plane on Saturday to make the trip West. We are excited to see her flourish on the West Coast and hear what McCarthy sees in this talented filly.
 

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Pretty straightforward. They wanted to move her to the west coast. I wouldn't be surprised if this was at least partly driven by how much she hated the mud in the Oaks. A lot less mud in Southern California. And, like I said, I own a tiny, tiny share. Through one of those microshare things.

The Kentucky Oaks contender is ready to head back to the racetrack! Since getting back under tack and into work, she has been moving and looking great! With the racing schedule and picking the best spot for a return, the Management Team has made the decision to send Simply Joking to the West Coast to train with Michael McCarthy. A Multiple Graded stakes-winning trainer, McCarthy trained this year’s Triple Crown contender and three-time G1W Journalism and G1W Queen Goddess for partners Grantley Acres. Simply Joking will be pointing towards the late December G1 La Brea Stakes at Santa Anita Park. The race for 3-year-old fillies is over seven furlongs on the dirt and carries a purse of $300,000. From there, the G1 Beholder Mile is an obvious next target. Horse racing is often unpredictable, so we’re always careful not to get too far ahead of ourselves, but it's important to us that you understand the reasons behind decisions. Given that there are no appropriate G1s throughout the winter months for Simply Joking on the East Coast, California was the most obvious target. The management team has consulted with several industry experts to get a second opinion, and all agree, sending her West is best; not just for her but for the partners. Simply Joking boards a plane on Saturday to make the trip West. We are excited to see her flourish on the West Coast and hear what McCarthy sees in this talented filly.



Oh they had horses with McCarthy before it looks like that's probably another reason to send her out west. She didn't like Kentucky either Keeneland or Churchill.

What"s the long term goal? Get a Grade 1 win? Or just pick up as much black type as you can and then sell her?
 

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Pretty straightforward. They wanted to move her to the west coast. I wouldn't be surprised if this was at least partly driven by how much she hated the mud in the Oaks. A lot less mud in Southern California. And, like I said, I own a tiny, tiny share. Through one of those microshare things.

The Kentucky Oaks contender is ready to head back to the racetrack! Since getting back under tack and into work, she has been moving and looking great! With the racing schedule and picking the best spot for a return, the Management Team has made the decision to send Simply Joking to the West Coast to train with Michael McCarthy. A Multiple Graded stakes-winning trainer, McCarthy trained this year’s Triple Crown contender and three-time G1W Journalism and G1W Queen Goddess for partners Grantley Acres. Simply Joking will be pointing towards the late December G1 La Brea Stakes at Santa Anita Park. The race for 3-year-old fillies is over seven furlongs on the dirt and carries a purse of $300,000. From there, the G1 Beholder Mile is an obvious next target. Horse racing is often unpredictable, so we’re always careful not to get too far ahead of ourselves, but it's important to us that you understand the reasons behind decisions. Given that there are no appropriate G1s throughout the winter months for Simply Joking on the East Coast, California was the most obvious target. The management team has consulted with several industry experts to get a second opinion, and all agree, sending her West is best; not just for her but for the partners. Simply Joking boards a plane on Saturday to make the trip West. We are excited to see her flourish on the West Coast and hear what McCarthy sees in this talented filly.
It was so cool for me, a guy that lives 6 hours from the nearest track, to see trainers like Michael McCarthy and Bill Mott up close.
 

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It was so cool for me, a guy that lives 6 hours from the nearest track, to see trainers like Michael McCarthy and Bill Mott up close.
Very cool! Reminds me of a fun story. Years ago, a buddy and me started following a horse named Pick Six. I don't even remember why exactly. But we bet him every time he ran and went to see him when he ran at Saratoga. He was trained by Shug McGaughey. Well, we were at the rail for one of his races, and afterwards, when the trainers walk them off the track, we noticed Shug walking him right towards us. So we strike up a quick conversation. Told him we were fans of the horse, etc etc. Quick conversation, of course, but we were excited to chat with a Hall of Fame trainer, and especially because it was about one of his lesser-known horses, by far. The next day, we looked up a photo of Shug. Turns out, the guy we were talking with was an assistant trainer. Kinda looked like Shug but wasn't him. Whoopie.

Anyway, if you ever make your way up to Saratoga, definitely let me know. I live 20 minutes from the track. Well, over 30 during track season.
 
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