45% Of Doctors Would Consider Quitting If Congress Passes Health Care Overhaul

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45% Of Doctors Would Consider Quitting If Congress Passes Health Care Overhaul


By TERRY JONES, INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY

IBD Exclusive Series:
Condition Critical: What Doctors Think About Health Reform
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Two of every three practicing physicians oppose the medical overhaul plan under consideration in Washington, and hundreds of thousands would think about shutting down their practices or retiring early if it were adopted, a new IBD/TIPP Poll has found.
The poll contradicts the claims of not only the White House, but also doctors' own lobby ? the powerful American Medical Association ? both of which suggest the medical profession is behind the proposed overhaul.
It also calls into question whether an overhaul is even doable; 72% of the doctors polled disagree with the administration's claim that the government can cover 47 million more people with better-quality care at lower cost.
The IBD/TIPP Poll was conducted by mail the past two weeks, with 1,376 practicing physicians chosen randomly throughout the country taking part. Responses are still coming in, and doctors' positions on related topics ? including the impact of an overhaul on senior care, medical school applications and drug development ? will be covered later in this series.
Major findings included:
?Two-thirds, or 65%, of doctors say they oppose the proposed government expansion plan. This contradicts the administration's claims that doctors are part of an "unprecedented coalition" supporting a medical overhaul.
It also differs with findings of a poll released Monday by National Public Radio that suggests a "majority of physicians want public and private insurance options," and clashes with media reports such as Tuesday's front-page story in the Los Angeles Times with the headline "Doctors Go For Obama's Reform."
Nowhere in the Times story does it say doctors as a whole back the overhaul. It says only that the AMA ? the "association representing the nation's physicians" and what "many still regard as the country's premier lobbying force" ? is "lobbying and advertising to win public support for President Obama's sweeping plan."
The AMA, in fact, represents approximately 18% of physicians and has been hit with a number of defections by members opposed to the AMA's support of Democrats' proposed health care overhaul.
?Four of nine doctors, or 45%, said they "would consider leaving their practice or taking an early retirement" if Congress passes the plan the Democratic majority and White House have in mind.
More than 800,000 doctors were practicing in 2006, the government says. Projecting the poll's finding onto that population, 360,000 doctors would consider quitting.
?More than seven in 10 doctors, or 71% ? the most lopsided response in the poll ? answered "no" when asked if they believed "the government can cover 47 million more people and that it will cost less money and the quality of care will be better."
This response is consistent with critics who complain that the administration and congressional Democrats have yet to explain how, even with the current number of physicians and nurses, they can cover more people and lower the cost at the same time.
The only way, the critics contend, is by rationing care ? giving it to some and denying it to others. That cuts against another claim by plan supporters ? that care would be better.
IBD/TIPP's finding that many doctors could leave the business suggests that such rationing could be more severe than even critics believe. Rationing is one of the drawbacks associated with government plans in countries such as Canada and the U.K. Stories about growing waiting lists for badly needed care, horror stories of care gone wrong, babies born on sidewalks, and even people dying as a result of care delayed or denied are rife.
In this country, the number of doctors is already lagging population growth.
From 2003 to 2006, the number of active physicians in the U.S. grew by just 0.8% a year, adding a total of 25,700 doctors.
Recent population growth has been 1% a year. Patients, in short, are already being added faster than physicians, creating a medical bottleneck.
The great concern is that, with increased mandates, lower pay and less freedom to practice, doctors could abandon medicine in droves, as the IBD/TIPP Poll suggests. Under the proposed medical overhaul, an additional 47 million people would have to be cared for ? an 18% increase in patient loads, without an equivalent increase in doctors. The actual effect could be somewhat less because a significant share of the uninsured already get care.
Even so, the government vows to cut hundreds of billions of dollars from health care spending to pay for reform, which would encourage a flight from the profession.
The U.S. today has just 2.4 physicians per 1,000 population ? below the median of 3.1 for members of the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, the official club of wealthy nations.
Adding millions of patients to physicians' caseloads would threaten to overwhelm the system. Medical gatekeepers would have to deny care to large numbers of people. That means care would have to be rationed.
"It's like giving everyone free bus passes, but there are only two buses," Dr. Ted Epperly, president of the American Academy of Family Physicians, told the Associated Press.
Hope for a surge in new doctors may be misplaced. A recent study from the Association of American Medical Colleges found steadily declining enrollment in medical schools since 1980.
The study found that, just with current patient demand, the U.S. will have 159,000 fewer doctors than it needs by 2025. Unless corrected, that would make some sort of medical rationing or long waiting lists almost mandatory.
Experiments at the state level show that an overhaul isn't likely to change much.
On Monday came word from the Massachusetts Medical Society ? a group representing physicians in a state that has implemented an overhaul similar to that under consideration in Washington ? that doctor shortages remain a growing problem.
Its 2009 Physician Workforce Study found that:
?The primary care specialties of family medicine and internal medicine are in short supply for a fourth straight year.
?The percentage of primary care practices closed to new patients is the highest ever recorded.
?Seven of 18 specialties ? dermatology, neurology, urology, vascular surgery and (for the first time) obstetrics-gynecology, in addition to family and internal medicine ? are in short supply.
?Recruitment and retention of physicians remains difficult, especially at community hospitals and with primary care.
A key reason for the doctor shortages, according to the study, is a "lingering poor practice environment in the state."
In 2006, Massachusetts passed its medical overhaul ? minus a public option ? similar to what's being proposed on a national scale now. It hasn't worked as expected. Costs are higher, with insurance premiums rising 22% faster than in the U.S. as a whole.
"Health spending in Massachusetts is higher than the United States on average and is growing at a faster rate," according to a recent report from the Urban Institute.
Other states with government-run or mandated health insurance systems, including Maine, Tennessee and Hawaii, have been forced to cut back services and coverage.
This experience has been repeated in other countries where a form of nationalized care is common. In particular, many nationalized health systems seem to have trouble finding enough doctors to meet demand.
In Britain, a lack of practicing physicians means the country has had to import thousands of foreign doctors to care for patients in the National Health Service.
"A third of (British) primary care trusts are flying in (general practitioners) from as far away as Lithuania, Poland, Germany, Hungary, Italy and Switzerland" because of a doctor shortage, a recent story in the British Daily Mail noted.
British doctors, demoralized by long hours and burdensome rules, simply refuse to see patients at nights and weekends.
Likewise, Canadian physicians who have to deal with the stringent rules and income limits imposed by that country's national health plan have emigrated in droves to other countries, including the U.S.
Tomorrow: Why most doctors oppose the government's plan ? in their own words.

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Without reading this, what exactly would 45% of the doctors DO if they quit being a doctor? Seriously... again... would consider, could quit, etc?

Do you REALLY think they will quit being doctors? How many doctors that you know would enter another career, which would obviously pay less, and be less vital and important? What would ALL of them do? How many million doctors would that be?

Maybe this was addressed in the story... sorry, it's late, and I still have a lot to do tonight.
 

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Most doctors ? 63 percent ? say they favor giving patients a choice that would include both public and private insurance. That's the position of President Obama and of many congressional Democrats. In addition, another 10 percent of doctors say they favor a public option only; they'd like to see a single-payer health care system. Together, the two groups add up to 73 percent.

When the American public is polled, anywhere from 50 to 70 percent favor a public option. So that means that when compared to their patients, doctors are bigger supporters of a public option.

Doctors' Support For Public Option 'Broad And Widespread'

The researchers say they found strong support for a public option among all categories of doctors. "We even saw that support being the same whether physicians lived in rural areas or metropolitan areas," says Federman.

"Whether they lived in southern regions of the United States or traditionally liberal parts of the country," says Keyhani, "we found that physicians, regardless ? whether they were salaried or they were practice owners, regardless of whether they were specialists or primary care providers, regardless of where they lived ? the support for the public option was broad and widespread."
 

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Without reading this, what exactly would 45% of the doctors DO if they quit being a doctor? Seriously... again... would consider, could quit, etc?

Do you REALLY think they will quit being doctors? How many doctors that you know would enter another career, which would obviously pay less, and be less vital and important? What would ALL of them do? How many million doctors would that be?

Maybe this was addressed in the story... sorry, it's late, and I still have a lot to do tonight.

right on point as always Chad, but Zooomer....


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Without reading this, what exactly would 45% of the doctors DO if they quit being a doctor? Seriously... again... would consider, could quit, etc?

Do you REALLY think they will quit being doctors? How many doctors that you know would enter another career, which would obviously pay less, and be less vital and important? What would ALL of them do? How many million doctors would that be?

Maybe this was addressed in the story... sorry, it's late, and I still have a lot to do tonight.
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They aint quittin shit.

Scare tactic for America to consider.

The 45% are the ones that are stealing us over the top every chance they get and care less about actully helping patients.
 

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My response to Zoomer ,

F U ! ! You asshole ! took 2 hours to get that tune out of my nugget after I read your post :mad: :fingerc: :142smilie :142smilie
 

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My response to Zoomer ,

F U ! ! You asshole ! took 2 hours to get that tune out of my nugget after I read your post :mad: :fingerc: :142smilie :142smilie

Poor illuminati , :shrug: Where's the horse plays, leave you in charge for a few days and you are listening to bullshit music , what's that about ??
 

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Not listening, It's Zoomers pie chart

The Glue Factory is coming up when I am done doing my nails :142smilie :142smilie :mj07: :scared
 

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here`s a good laugh...


The Ant and the Grasshopper

The ant works hard in the withering heat all summer long, building his house and laying up supplies for the winter.

The grasshopper thinks the ant is a fool and laughs and dances and plays the summer away.

Come winter, the shivering grasshopper calls a press conference and demands to know why the ant should be allowed to be warm and well fed while others are cold and starving.

CBS, NBC , PBS, CNN,and ABC show up to provide pictures of the shivering grasshopper next to a
video of the ant in his comfortable home with a table filled with food.. America is stunned by the sharp contrast.

How can this be, that in a country of such wealth, this poor grasshopper is allowed to suffer so?

Kermit the Frog appears on Oprahwith the grasshopper and everybody cries when they sing,
'It's Not Easy Being Green.'

Acorn stages a demonstration in front of the ant's house
where the news stations film the group singing, 'We shall overcome.'
Rev.. Jeremiah Wright then has the group kneel down to pray to God for the grasshopper's sake.

Nancy Pelosi & Harry Reid exclaim in an interview with Larry King that the ant has gotten rich off the back
ofthe grasshopper, and both call for an immediate tax hike on the ant to make him pay his fair share.

Finally, the EEOC drafts the Economic Equity & Anti-Grasshopper Act retroactive to the beginning of the summer.

The ant is fined for failing to hire a proportionate number of green bugs and, having nothing left to pay his retroactive taxes, his home is confiscated by the Government Green Czar.

The story ends as we see the grasshopper finishing up the last bits of the ants food while the government house

he is in, which just happens to be the ant's old house, crumbles around him because he doesn't maintain it.

The ant has disappeared in the snow.

The grasshopper is found dead in a drug related incident

and the house, now abandoned, is taken over by a gang of spiders
who terrorize the once peaceful neighborhood.
 

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That was a good laugh. I love all of these idiotic fables about self reliance and hard work posted by republicans in the middle of the working day.

When was the last time you worked gw? I have the day off. What about you gw?
 

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That was a good laugh. I love all of these idiotic fables about self reliance and hard work posted by republicans in the middle of the working day.

When was the last time you worked gw? I have the day off. What about you gw?

I just posted that to DTB. I can't believe how much time he has on his hands to post his BS. Its never one sentence. Its pie charts and graphs. Which are followed by paragraphs of BS with his comments inserted.
 

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i work...i pay for my own health insurance..i own my own home and two vehicles...

i don`t owe anybody one thin dime....

..and i don`t have to suck on the government tit.....

hope that helps(nod to fdc):lol:
 

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Yeah,

I work too, I have 2 cars 2 houses, I run a 2 warehouses, 10,000 sq feet and 8,200 sq feet, twice a month I have to drive from the desert to the coast ( 110 miles) because the accountant fucked up, I mean REALLY FUCKED UP BAD ! I do suckle up to the government tit, because I earned it ! Thank you for paying my medical bills trouser weasel. I also have insurance through the company I work for because the VA tends to be a galactic dick dance when I need the proper neurological care. So you better be careful on how you label those who are getting "your money" for medical care.

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i work...i pay for my own health insurance..i own my own home and two vehicles...

i don`t owe anybody one thin dime....

..and i don`t have to suck on the government tit.....

hope that helps(nod to fdc):lol:

They have hard time comprehending conservative values GW.

1st raise most got was when Gumby increased the food stamps and welfare benefits and called them a stimulus plan. ($44 a month raise--if they use it for food) :)

--and appears from Bloomingberg their boy got more goodies on the way in healthcare bill--
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Baucus, a Montana Democrat who released his proposal today after months of closed-door negotiations, would require all Americans to have insurance or pay a penalty. The proposal would also expand Medicaid, the federal-state program for the poor, and provide subsidies to help low-income Americans buy insurance.

The Baucus plan would spend $774 billion to expand coverage, including $463 billion in federal subsidies to help individuals buy insurance, CBO said in its preliminary analysis. About 25 million individuals would purchase insurance through exchanges while Medicaid enrollment would grow by 11 million, CBO said.

The plan?s costs would be partially offset by a 35 percent excise tax on high-premium insurance plans that would raise $215 billion, CBO said. Another $20 billion would come from penalties on individuals without insurance while employers would pay an estimated $27 billion in penalties for workers who receive federal subsidies to help purchase coverage.


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Note O expressed today that any raise on mandated expenses--fees or taxes on employers or ins co --that result in joe tax payor getting bilked can not be interpreted as tax on middle class:SIB

--so appears he continues on his redistribution--and we will continued to :(

and Duff-Trench-Jabbers-TU can be seen in their usual celebration :)

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