98/1367

[djv]

October to date American soldiers 98 dead.
1367 Iraqi's to date that they know about.
Our guys hands are tied on who to shoot.
These are well trained men and woman with a
mission from hell. These folks keep killing each other. We keep getting told were winning and our bench marks are being met. Winning what. I thought we were told that 3 years ago. I have no doubt our guys and gals can win. If they had something to win. What a waist of great man power.

 

[djv]

101/1601
And they say there using our new rifles against us that we been handing out last two years to there new army.
They also blaming us for some of the bombing. They claim with all the security in place. Only way some of these bombs can get where they do is by our guys planting them.
I guess these are part of Bush's New bench marks instead of stay the course.
No wonder 64% of Americans think it's time to start a draw down.
Like this woman who lost her son said. If Bush likes his war so much. Send his daughters for duty for a year in Baghdad. Those kittens got to much Bar hoping to do.

 

[Spytheweb]

Bush can not leave big oil paid for his reelection

Bush can not leave big oil paid for his reelection

and they want payback. So little Billy has to die for the greater good, the American dollar!

 

[dr. freeze]

:scared :scared :scared :nono: :nono:


"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
Letter to President Clinton.
- (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

 

[danmurphy jr]

Third time heard that Americans are setting off bombs in civilian areas and blaming "terrorists".
Dont't understand why they would do that.

 

[THE KOD]

One thing I was thinking about the other day is that there is no way we get out before Saddam
is executed. How far away is that stupid trial going to be over ?

Can you imagine we leave, how long it would take them to overrun the prison where Sadamm is being held and release him.

We should have shot that bastid as soon as he was found in that hole in the ground.

 

[danmurphy jr]

They may overrun the prison, but they'd probably cut off his heuvos.

 

[Chadman]

Freeze, how many of those people you endlessly quote (I guess someone had to take over for that sage, Manson... :shrug: ) based their opinions on doctored and/or falsified intelligence presented to them by the Bush administration?

Answer? All of them.

Meaning? It is Bush's responsibility and fault that they made those quotes to gain political support, whether they actually believed the intelligence or not. Too bad they didn't have the entire story, eh? Then we would never have to have these inane discussions, would we?

And, more to the point, how many of the Clinton/Albright/Gore and senators you quote advocated actually going to war with Iraq by pulling troops out of the area where the terrorists that attacked us were known to be, and conducting an occupation of that country? Some of them, as you post, advocated missile strikes, strategic strikes that had proven affective in other such situations. But not what you are suggesting in your post.

Your post, as in all of these same posts by you, Wayne, and Manson (for Gawd sakes) for years now, is simply not on point.

There is one administration directly responsible for the war in Iraq. The Bush administration. PERIOD. No matter how many times you post that crap.

 

[djv]

Would not surprise me Saddam found guilty about this Thursday. And shot Monday one day before our election. Reb's won't try to pull that will they?
Yes Freeze many were stupid and got sucked into this war. But only afew have wised up.

 

[dr. freeze]

Freeze, how many of those people you endlessly quote (I guess someone had to take over for that sage, Manson... :shrug: ) based their opinions on doctored and/or falsified intelligence presented to them by the Bush administration?

Answer? All of them.

So your theory is that these democrats are easily duped?

LMAO...that is GREAT leadership

Problem with your theory (that the democrats are easily duped) is that the Clintonistas were saying these things in the late 90's. Now I am no expert on time travel, but I am pretty sure the Bush administration did not travel back in time to dupe the Clintonistas.

The leftist media has cleverly thrown every bad thing that happens in Iraq on the backs of Republicans after it was a BIPARTISAN effort to go there in the first place. Since then, no democrat has given any feasible plan to alter the war's course. One would ask, then, why the leftist media implies that one shoudl vote for the democrat if you are unhappy about Iraq?

It is absolutely ridiculous and very much so outrageous media bias.

If democrats had such a great plan, why don't they offer it? If they are waiting til they get into power and playing off soldier's lives than that is as unpatriotic as it gets. If they have no better plan, then why don't they say so?????

And you loonies buy their BS?

Dr. Freeze has no problem criticizing either party, but you lefties let them get away with this???

:nono: :nono: :nono: :nono:

:142smilie :142smilie :142smilie :142smilie

 

[Chadman]

Nice try, Freeze. I figured you would try to spin what should be obvious. So, if you want to equate democrats that took this administration's delivered information as being truthful as being duped, then I think that says a heck of a lot more about the administration than it does the democrats.

Evidently, you are saying that the administration should have been assumed to be lying and/or hiding important information when they were asked to support action against Iraq. THAT is a very interesting observation, and I think the democrats - and republicans - and Americans - realize that to be the case at this point.

And, Americans and legislators are told that we should not be concerned about this administration doing everything in (and out of) their power to keep as much secret as they possibly can about everyting they possibly can. Good stewards of honesty and truthful revelations to the people they represent? LAUGHABLE.

As I mentioned in my post, as you try to spin the "Clintonistas" quotes, that this group did not feel it appropriate to invade and occupy Iraq, no matter what they thought, for what reason. Take measures to control Iraq? Certainly. Sanction them? Certainly? Prepare to bomb targets of concern? Yes.

I agree, I would like to see a solid plan emerge to try to improve the DISASTER that this administrations HAS CAUSED. From the democrats or any republican without his or her head up this President's arse. However, I would point out that any time a democrat suggests anything out of the Bush/Neocon talking points, like setting a timetable, planning for a withdrawal, reducing troop numbers, etc., they are attacked on the floor of the legislature, and in the "right" side of the press with cut and run, weak labels.

Convenient set up you guys are cultivating. Evidently, a majority of the people the administration you support had fooled for a long time is realizing they were duped. And they probably will act in large numbers in about a week.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Chad:

Don't waste your breath. If this giant murderous scheme by corporate America and the Bush administration had turned out well the above quotes would have never appeared in a Dr. Freeze post. All you would hear about is how wonderful George W. Bush and the republican party was, is and will be (except that they are not conservative enough).

The reality is, is they are directly responsible for the deaths of at least, by their own count 40,000 innocent people. My guess is that it is well into 6 figures. The way I look at it the democrats are guilty of being complete wimps and pussies and were afraid to be called traitors in the wake of 9-11 by standing up the big criminal.

republicans = killers
democrats = pussies

The problem with this country now a days is that we have grown accostomed to thinking of terrorists as being weird Islamic fundamentalists with raggetty beards. We better start thinking of them also as well dressed white males with Texas accents.

Eddie

 

[DOGS THAT BARK]

"The problem with this country now a days is that we have grown accostomed to thinking of terrorists as being weird Islamic fundamentalists with raggetty beards. We better start thinking of them also as well dressed white males with Texas accents."

While I am sure that is your attitude Edward I doubt you get Chad to committ to the "we" in your quote. I think the number of U.S. citizens resolved to thinking the U.S. are the real terrorist are confined to yourself-Michael Moore-Sheehan and and a few their lemmings.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Wanus:

When I said "we" I wasn't referring to Chad but the 60% of the moronic electorate that voted for your buddy who has done such a marvelous job I might add. What the hell, only 40,000 or so dead brown people, who gives a flying carpet right?

Once again, old friend, putting words in my mouth. Didn't say US was terrorist.

BUSH YES.

US NO.

Did you see the link to George Carlin a few days ago. If you did, that pretty much sums up my view of things. Hope your doing well in the market. Maybe we can kill some more people so that you can make some more money somewhere.

Eddie

 

[Chadman]

Wanus:

:lol2

Not saying I agree with the ANALogy, just that I laughed out loud. Carry on.

 

[kosar]

Haskell,

Change your signature please. I've been looking at that thing for 5 years and I just now realized that i'm sick of it.

Thank you.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Bernie:

I don't like change. In the spirit of the political ads we are all seeing on television ad nauseum, I'm still married to my wife of 4000 years, drive the same car I did in college, and jack off 2x a night.

I will not change my signature line nor change my avatar. My name is Eddie Haskell and I approve this post.

Eddie

 

[THE KOD]

Eddie

Then would you mind changing some of your
political ideas ?

thanks

KOD

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Scott:

I am indeed shocked and appalled. I am a man of principle. My ideologies have evolved over the years as I've seen political coruption eat away at the very sinew of societies fabric. With that out of the way, if you have a retainer, whose side you want me to be on?

Eddie

 

[Chadman]

While I am sure that is your attitude Edward I doubt you get Chad to committ to the "we" in your quote.

I don't really need to, Wayne. I'm satisfied in destroying Freeze on this topic and having buried that bunch of posted quotes once and for all...

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