2-4 on the season
Playing:
Illini +2
Michigan -5.5
Penn State +4.5
Purdue +11
Wisconsin +5
glta
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Playing:
Illini +2
Michigan -5.5
Penn State +4.5
Purdue +11
Wisconsin +5
glta
toy
ACC/Big Ten Challenge
- Thread starter ajoytoy
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Very, very gutsy plays. Hope you are right but if memory serves me correctly, hasn't the Big 10 had their ass handed to them the last couple years during these games?
The Big Ten has NOT won The Commissioner's Cup since the BigTen/ACC Challenge began 6 years ago! BUT they will THIS YEAR!!!!! IMO, the ACC will be down this year and fortuanately for the BIGTEN one of its better teams (Boston College) will NOT play in this years Challenge as they have more teams then the BigTen does!
Here is the way I see it unfolding;
(1) Ohio State over VTech (1-0) Already won!
(2) Wake over Wisky
(3) Purdue over FSU (2-1)
(4) Clemson over Penn St (this could go either
way, but I have to side with Clemson SU)
(5) Illinois over NC (3-2)
(6) Michigan over Miami (4-2)
(7) Michigan St over G. Tech (5-2)
(8) Maryland over Minny (5-3)
(9) Northwestern over Virginia (6-3)
(10) NC St over Iowa (6-4) WILL BE A GREAT GM
Could go either way but have to side NCST
(11) "You will have to wait for this one, although I
I will say that I am glad this won't be the
deciding game for the Commishioner's Cup!
Hoosiers/Blue Devils WILL be the game of
This Years Challenge! I wish we had DJ
White and a healthy Sean Kline, as I am sure
they wished they had DeMarcus Nelson!!!
GL
YAZ
Here is the way I see it unfolding;
(1) Ohio State over VTech (1-0) Already won!
(2) Wake over Wisky
(3) Purdue over FSU (2-1)
(4) Clemson over Penn St (this could go either
way, but I have to side with Clemson SU)
(5) Illinois over NC (3-2)
(6) Michigan over Miami (4-2)
(7) Michigan St over G. Tech (5-2)
(8) Maryland over Minny (5-3)
(9) Northwestern over Virginia (6-3)
(10) NC St over Iowa (6-4) WILL BE A GREAT GM
Could go either way but have to side NCST
(11) "You will have to wait for this one, although I
I will say that I am glad this won't be the
deciding game for the Commishioner's Cup!
Hoosiers/Blue Devils WILL be the game of
This Years Challenge! I wish we had DJ
White and a healthy Sean Kline, as I am sure
they wished they had DeMarcus Nelson!!!
GL
YAZ
3-2 yesterday
takes YTD to 5-6
Wednesday Plays:
MSU -13
Maryland -14
Virginia -6
Indiana +6
NCSU +4 :s4:
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takes YTD to 5-6
Wednesday Plays:
MSU -13
Maryland -14
Virginia -6
Indiana +6
NCSU +4 :s4:
ACC has won all 6 of the Challenges...last 2 years I think the ACC has won each year 7-2..just thought/think Big 10 gets it closer and might win it this year...ACC is good, but not the powerhouse of old...glta
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Sendek's tenure at State faces defining season
Ned Barnett, Staff Writer
Of all the stats that surround the N.C. State men's basketball team, none is more surprising than the number next to Herb Sendek's coaching tenure.
This is his 10th season.
After all the negative e-mails, letters and radio calls in Sendek's lowest moments, he remains in his job and unchanged in his manner -- pleasant, calm and deliberate. He has survived by winning when he had to win. He gained solid footing by reaching the NCAA Tournament's Round of 16 last season and has opened this year 5-0 and ranked No. 24.
Tonight in Iowa, Wolfpack fans will get their first real measure of whether Sendek has the Pack truly back. A win over No. 14 Iowa will announce that Sendek -- with the team and playing the style he wants -- may have State playing consistently at a level fans expect.
A lopsided loss will stir the grumbling that follows every Sendek stumble. It will suggest again that the Pack is good, but not really good. And that it is as good as it's going to get.
The fans' fear of stalling at "pretty good" is what lingers behind the symbolism of Sendek reaching this milestone season.
Can a system and a style developed to get State off the bottom also get it to the top?
He has gotten this far by winning some big ones, making the NCAA Tournament four years in a row and keeping alive the hope that the Pack's glory days are not confined to its glorious past.
But 10 years into State's restoration, the Wolfpack is a star-less team of interchangeable parts. It follows a system that keeps scoring low and passing high.
It was a good fix for the past, but is it a foundation for the future?
Sendek's tenure has always been seen in the light of what happened before him. There were the triumphs of Norm Sloan, the dominance of David Thompson and the magic of Jim Valvano. And there was the turmoil of Valvano's departure under the cloud of an NCAA investigation and the grim losing seasons that followed like a period of atonement.
Sendek arrived in April 1996 to restore State's respect, not only as a team, but as a program. In that, he has been an unqualified success. He runs a clean program. He stresses academics. He recruits players of good character.
On the court, Sendek has found a way to win beyond what his players' talent would seem to allow. In many respects, Sendek has accomplished what he was brought here to do. He has stabilized the program and polished its image.
That took 10 years. Now what? If Sendek has put the past in the past, what kind of a future will he make?
That is the question that goes with him to Iowa and will be answered by the end of this season.
Sendek knows about getting more out of less, but can he get more from more? His system attracts players who like the opportunity to play interchangeable roles, but does it appeal to franchise players who are good enough to have a system revolve around them?
Sendek knows how to keep the score down, but can his team score in bunches and come back to win?
The issue with Sendek has never been his determination. It's his flexibility. It's clear he can bear down and survive. But can he adjust? Can he let go of the system that saved him once his players' talent outgrows it? Can he recruit such talent, or will he continue to assemble teams of passers and cutters who are hard to beat, but lack the ability to surge through a season and the NCAA Tournament?
Such questions will come into interesting focus in Iowa given the contrast between Sendek and Hawkeyes coach Steve Alford.
Sendek got into coaching after being cut by a new coach at Carnegie Mellon. Through a mix of intelligence, integrity and persistence he worked his way up to Rick Pitino's side at Providence and Kentucky.
Alford came into coaching after being a celebrated player who took Indiana to the 1987 national championship.
Alford brought flair and scoring to his work. Sendek brings intelligence and a respect for incremental gains.
In his seventh season at Iowa, Alford needs a good season after going 41-55 in the Big Ten. In Raleigh, fans are satisfied with Sendek, but wondering when the fun begins.
Maybe tonight, they'll begin to see. The Star vs. The Striver. Which is the better way to the top?
Ned Barnett, Staff Writer
Of all the stats that surround the N.C. State men's basketball team, none is more surprising than the number next to Herb Sendek's coaching tenure.
This is his 10th season.
After all the negative e-mails, letters and radio calls in Sendek's lowest moments, he remains in his job and unchanged in his manner -- pleasant, calm and deliberate. He has survived by winning when he had to win. He gained solid footing by reaching the NCAA Tournament's Round of 16 last season and has opened this year 5-0 and ranked No. 24.
Tonight in Iowa, Wolfpack fans will get their first real measure of whether Sendek has the Pack truly back. A win over No. 14 Iowa will announce that Sendek -- with the team and playing the style he wants -- may have State playing consistently at a level fans expect.
A lopsided loss will stir the grumbling that follows every Sendek stumble. It will suggest again that the Pack is good, but not really good. And that it is as good as it's going to get.
The fans' fear of stalling at "pretty good" is what lingers behind the symbolism of Sendek reaching this milestone season.
Can a system and a style developed to get State off the bottom also get it to the top?
He has gotten this far by winning some big ones, making the NCAA Tournament four years in a row and keeping alive the hope that the Pack's glory days are not confined to its glorious past.
But 10 years into State's restoration, the Wolfpack is a star-less team of interchangeable parts. It follows a system that keeps scoring low and passing high.
It was a good fix for the past, but is it a foundation for the future?
Sendek's tenure has always been seen in the light of what happened before him. There were the triumphs of Norm Sloan, the dominance of David Thompson and the magic of Jim Valvano. And there was the turmoil of Valvano's departure under the cloud of an NCAA investigation and the grim losing seasons that followed like a period of atonement.
Sendek arrived in April 1996 to restore State's respect, not only as a team, but as a program. In that, he has been an unqualified success. He runs a clean program. He stresses academics. He recruits players of good character.
On the court, Sendek has found a way to win beyond what his players' talent would seem to allow. In many respects, Sendek has accomplished what he was brought here to do. He has stabilized the program and polished its image.
That took 10 years. Now what? If Sendek has put the past in the past, what kind of a future will he make?
That is the question that goes with him to Iowa and will be answered by the end of this season.
Sendek knows about getting more out of less, but can he get more from more? His system attracts players who like the opportunity to play interchangeable roles, but does it appeal to franchise players who are good enough to have a system revolve around them?
Sendek knows how to keep the score down, but can his team score in bunches and come back to win?
The issue with Sendek has never been his determination. It's his flexibility. It's clear he can bear down and survive. But can he adjust? Can he let go of the system that saved him once his players' talent outgrows it? Can he recruit such talent, or will he continue to assemble teams of passers and cutters who are hard to beat, but lack the ability to surge through a season and the NCAA Tournament?
Such questions will come into interesting focus in Iowa given the contrast between Sendek and Hawkeyes coach Steve Alford.
Sendek got into coaching after being cut by a new coach at Carnegie Mellon. Through a mix of intelligence, integrity and persistence he worked his way up to Rick Pitino's side at Providence and Kentucky.
Alford came into coaching after being a celebrated player who took Indiana to the 1987 national championship.
Alford brought flair and scoring to his work. Sendek brings intelligence and a respect for incremental gains.
In his seventh season at Iowa, Alford needs a good season after going 41-55 in the Big Ten. In Raleigh, fans are satisfied with Sendek, but wondering when the fun begins.
Maybe tonight, they'll begin to see. The Star vs. The Striver. Which is the better way to the top?
