America's most miserable cites

DOGS THAT BARK

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Worst Places to live in U.S. based on crime-taxes-employment---what do they all have in common
wonder if they are ready for "a change" :)


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America's Most Miserable Cities
Kurt Badenhausen 01.30.08, 6:00 AM ET

Imagine living in a city with the country's highest rate for violent crime and the second-highest unemployment rate. As an added kicker you need more Superfund dollars allocated to your city to clean up contaminated toxic waste sites than just about any other metro.

Unfortunately, this nightmare is a reality for the residents of Detroit. The Motor City grabs the top spot on Forbes' inaugural list of America's Most Miserable Cities.

In Pictures: America's Most Miserable Cities
Misery is defined as a state of great unhappiness and emotional distress. The economic indicator most often used to measure misery is the Misery Index. The index, created by economist Arthur Okun, adds the unemployment rate to the inflation rate. It has been in the narrow 7-to-9 range for most of the past decade, but was over 20 during the late 1970s.

There also exists a Misery Score, which is the sum of corporate, personal, employer and sales taxes in different countries. France took the top spot (or perhaps bottom is more appropriate) with a score of 166.8, thanks to a top rate of 51% on personal incomes and 45% for employer Social Security.

But aren't there other things that cause Americans misery? Of course. So we decided to expand on the Misery Index and the Misery Score to create our very own Forbes Misery Measure. We're sticking with unemployment and personal tax rates, but we are adding four more factors that can make people miserable: commute times, weather, crime and that toxic waste dump in your backyard.

We looked at only the 150 largest metropolitan areas, which meant a minimum population of 371,000. We ranked the cities on the six criteria above and added their ranks together to establish what we call the Misery Measure. The data used in the rankings came from Portland, Ore., researcher Bert Sperling, who last year published the second edition of Cities Ranked & Rated along with Peter Sander. Economic research firm Economy.com, which is owned by Moody's, also supplied some data.

Detroit in the top spot, with its sister city Flint ranked third, is probably not a great shock. "If Detroit were a baseball team, we'd say they are mired in a slump," says Sperling. Both Detroit and Flint have suffered tremendously from the auto industry downturn. Flint's plight was immortalized in the Michael Moore movie Roger & Me, which chronicles Moore's attempts to meet with then General Motors (nyse: GM - news - people ) Chief Executive Roger Smith.

Crime and unemployment are closely linked, according to Sperling. Our three most miserable places bear that out (Stockton, Calif., ranks second). All three are among the eight worst cities in terms of both unemployment and violent crime.

The United States' two biggest cities both induce a ton of misery. New York was the fourth most miserable city by our count, while Los Angeles clocked in at sixth. The Big Apple has the longest commute times (36.2 minutes) and the highest tax rates (10.5%) in the country. As the financial capital of the world and home to write-down kings Merrill Lynch (nyse: MER - news - people ) and Citigroup (nyse: C - news - people ), New York appears poised for more misery in 2008.

The people of La-La Land have some of the best weather in the U.S. (it's ranked seventh) but scored poorly when it came to commute times, Superfund sites and taxes. And we did not even factor in air quality, where Los Angeles is the worst in the nation by far, according to Sperling.

The biggest surprise on our list is Charlotte, N.C., which is ranked ninth. Charlotte has undergone tremendous economic growth the past decade, while the population has soared 32%. But the current picture isn't as bright. Employment growth has not kept up with population growth, meaning unemployment rates are up more than 50% compared with 10 years ago. Charlotte scored in the bottom half of all six categories we examined. It scored the worst on violent crime, ranking 140th.

So take heart, Detroit, you are not alone. After all, misery loves company.

in pictures 10 worst
http://www.forbes.com/2008/01/29/de...kb_0130miserable_slide_2.html?thisSpeed=15000
 

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The message here is to not live in a big city?? :shrug:

I read on one of those that they were saying an average 30 minute commute to work was a bad thing. Is that bad? I work from home, so mine may hit 2 minutes if toys are on the stairs. But even in the little town I'm originally from, it would take 10-15 minutes to get to work. Not because of traffic but because of distance.

I would say most people in LA would kill for a 30 minute commute!
 

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Maybe they are miserable places because there are too many people in their 40's living there?

:shrug:

It will pass.
 

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Chicago
No. 1
Detroit, Mich.
No. 2
Stockton, Calif.
No. 3
Flint, Mich.
No. 4
New York, N.Y.
No. 5
Philadelphia, Pa.
No. 6
Chicago, Ill.:scared
No. 7
Los Angeles, Calif.
No. 8
Modesto, Calif.
No. 9
Charlotte, N.C.
No. 10
Providence, R.I.
 

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Lived in Chicago from 2000 to 2005.

Far, far, far, far from miserable.

Thought it was a great city to live in, even with the Cubs stinking up the joint most of the time just up the road from me.

Is it a perfect city? Hardly. What is?

Sometimes I think these lists are put out just to demean and scare people about big cities.

Not to sound idealistic, but Chicago is a city that our country should be proud of.......although I would admit that there are many improvements that could made......and the wonderful towns/suburbs around it--the Chicagoland area, as its called--i think is part of my analysis.
 

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Lived in St Louis for many years--surprised it wasn't on the list. West side not bad but they built loop to avert even having to drive thru east side.

Just waiting for Bill/Hilliary to bring up point to Obama--that hype and hope ain't been getting job done in his home city.
 

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Lived in St Louis for many years--surprised it wasn't on the list. West side not bad but they built loop to avert even having to drive thru east side.

Just waiting for Bill/Hilliary to bring up point to Obama--that hype and hope ain't been getting job done in his home city.

Why is it that; old school white silver spooned politicians can hype & hope but if the black guy does it, he is held to a higher than white standard ? Why does the black guy always have to be better ?????? Only in the America that I love .... We need The American People of all genders, ages & races with not only hope but the chance that their hope will be fertile. With out hope real or imaginary there is no chance for the masses.
 

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Lived in St Louis for many years--surprised it wasn't on the list. West side not bad but they built loop to avert even having to drive thru east side.

Just waiting for Bill/Hilliary to bring up point to Obama--that hype and hope ain't been getting job done in his home city.

It's not only up to the elected, it is up to the people... people need to to inspired by their peers, family and leadership. A great leader can spark the masses.... If we are ever going to realise our greatness as a Country we will have to bring the botton closer to the top to get there... It's not about hand outs and free stuff for those that don't aspire. It's about hand ups for those that are trying to get there. I'm not talking about government doing it but me and you helping someone, we all know someone we should help.
 

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I think it depends on how you define miserable. Under their definition I'd be willing to put up with a bunch of the criteria that goes into "miserable" in exchange for some of the benefits.

By way of example, I was liistening to Michael Savage last night. Apparently he broadcasts from San Francisco. He called it a horrible place to live. I kinda sorta beg to differ in that I would gladly trade my hellhole of a town to live where he lives.

Of well, to each their own.

Eddie
 

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I think it depends on how you define miserable. Under their definition I'd be willing to put up with a bunch of the criteria that goes into "miserable" in exchange for some of the benefits.

By way of example, I was liistening to Michael Savage last night. Apparently he broadcasts from San Francisco. He called it a horrible place to live. I kinda sorta beg to differ in that I would gladly trade my hellhole of a town to live where he lives.

Of well, to each their own.

Eddie

haven't heard him for a few years. Suprised u would like him.

I can take him in small doses.

Eddie
 
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