An AP championship and still noone goes to their games

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Just an article about fan support and attendance at games.

You would think that an AP championship would bring some fans to the stands; I guess going to the beach is more pressing.
What a freakin joke????


Plenty of Fans Disguised as Bleachers
The excuses for poor turnstile activity are nearly as plentiful as the number of tickets that go unsold. Some are legit, like having a hideously inept team to follow or a huge stadium to try and fill. Others are pretty flimsy, like competing with great weather. Of the 20 prominent programs that averaged below 75% of capacity this past fall, six played in December bowl games.


Grandstanding: For the first time in many years, USC has escaped this ignominious category. Buoyed by the rousing success of the team, the Trojans had almost 11,000 more fans per game at the Coliseum last fall than they had in 2002.

- It?s conceivable the new Trojan patrons simply came across town from the Rose Bowl. UCLA?s attendance fell by almost 9,000 fans per game for pretty obvious reasons?most weeks they tough to watch.

- Minnesota is crunching numbers regarding the feasibility of building an on-campus, multipurpose football stadium, a wonderful concept that would certainly improve attendance. No Big Ten team should be subjected to playing in a cavernous, homogenized venue like the Metrodome. The Gophers lease with the dome expires in 2011.

- Since Arizona averaged more than 51,000 fans per game in 1999, attendance has dropped in each of the last four seasons. The ?Cats have tried a number of fan-friendly and family-friendly marketing plans, but the masses won?t return until the team improves on the field.

- Someone contact the PriceWaterhouse auditors because an 11% rise in attendance for 1-11 East Carolina is difficult to rationalize.

- Consecutive seasons of declining attendance is reason No. 5 why North Carolina head coach John Bunting has a tenuous hold on his job these days.

- One-half of all Pac-10 teams are featured in this dubious category, none from the states of Oregon or Washington.

- Gary Nord could have been fired for any number of reasons after last year?s 2-11 debacle. A 54% drop in attendance since 2000 couldn?t have helped his cause. The downward trend will be halted with Mike Price in El Paso.

- Attendance at Amon G. Carter Stadium was up 30% in 2003. Impressive considering TCU has a student body of just slightly more than 8,000.

- Rutgers experienced a major and unexpected 38% increase in attendance last season. There?s certainly more room for improvement, but that kind of an up tick is something the Knights can certainly build upon.

- Winning puts fannies in the seats. Witness Memphis, which played in a bowl game for the first time in 32 years and averaged more than 40,000 spectators a game for the first time since 1976. The Tigers led C-USA in average attendance on the strength of a 28% increase versus 2002.

- College football fans in northern California have plenty reasons to blow off Stanford games these days, but Cal? Jeff Tedford?s team is far too exciting to be playing in front of a half-empty stadium. With expectations high for 2004, the numbers should improve later this year.
% Of Capacity
School Stadium 2003 2002 2001 Avg. Attendance (2003)
Arizona Arizona 74 80 79 42,765
Arizona State Sun Devil 74 62 66 54,248
Illinois Memorial 74 78 78 50,961
Marshall Marshall 73 73 66 27,837
UNLV Sam Boyd 70 75 67 25,805
Minnesota Metrodome 69 66 68 44,148
Bowling Green Doyt L. Perry 69 58 58 21,002
Vanderbilt Vanderbilt 68 77 82 28,282
Indiana Memorial 67 60 62 34,983
Rutgers Rutgers 66 48 49 27,339
Memphis Liberty Bowl 65 47 41 40,622
Cincinnati Nippert 62 80 66 21,827
Northwestern Ryan Field 61 59 73 28,763
UCLA Rose Bowl 60 71 68 56,636
Baylor Floyd Casey 60 56 61 29,851
Duke Wallace Wade 59 68 57 20,026
Stanford Stanford 52 45 60 44,870
California Memorial 51 49 44 38,305
San Diego State Qualcomm 44 47 44 22,626
Temple Lincoln Field 36 29 27 24,137
Tier One - The Top Programs | Tier Two - Scalper's Paradise | Tier Three - Bring your Bushnells
 

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This shows your lack of intelligence BBK. You opened your mouth and stuck your foot in it.

Last year, USC averaged 77,804 fans per game. I am sure not too many stadiums averaged more fans per game than USC. This article conveniently fails to mention that the Coliseum holds 93,000 fans. This article talks about percentages and that is wrong because how many teams have stadiums that hold
90,000 + fans??? Not too many. THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK!

In USC darkest years, USC averaged 62,300 fans.

Next year I am pretty confident USC will average 80,000 + fans.

Lets now turn this around and look how impressive averaging 77,804 fans was...

USC is located in Los Angeles, CA. These are the major football programs in CA: USC, UCLA, CAL, Stanford, SDSU,

UCLA is located cross town. USC vs UCLA is one of the only rivalries where each school is located cross town in a major city. That is 2 MAJOR programs located within 30miles from each other.

Many many colleges located in CA and most of them are jealous/hate USC. SO why support USC?

In CA there are 2 NFL franchises and used to be 3.

1 block away from USC the Avengers play, in the Arena Football League. (yes I know they do not play the same time but fans in LA cannot afford to attend everything).

In CA there are 4 MLB franchises: Dodgers, Angels, Giants, A's
Dodgers are located 5min. away from USC, and Angels are an 90min. away.

In CA there are many college basketball programs to go too.

In CA there are 4 NBA Teams. Lakers, Clippers, Kings, Warriors. for fans to go too. Lakers and Clippers are located 2 blocks from USC.

In CA there are major theme parks: Disneyland, CA Adventure, Magic Mountain, Knotts, etc...

In CA there are great beaches to go too.

THERE ARE MUCH MUCH MORE THINGS OTHER THAN SPORTS TO DO IN CA.

Los Angeles is full of mixed cultures and many of them do not even watch football.

The cost of living in LA is a lot more than most places in the country. So how can fans afford going to all these different sporting options, and non sporting options and afford to live here?

THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK!

I would bet USC averages 80,000+ fans next season.
 

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sell out every game then talk to me
please stop cut and pasting
 

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Scott,
You forgot to mention the population of the L.A. area. Isn't it 9.8 million? Do you realize that less than 1% of the population is attending games?

Here's how we do it down south. I will use the University of Tennessee as an example.

Last 50 years, % capacity - 100, 100, 100, 100......................

Knoxville, TN population - 174,000 (roughly)
Neyland Stadium capacity - 104,079

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I will concede and say the fans in the SOUTH are more passionate. That is very cool. It def. gives the teams a big home field advantage. (Although PAC 10 teams traveling to the SOUTH have had no problem winning) My USC friends who travelled to the AUBURN game had a blast and could not stop talking about it. Very nice fans who def. know how to tailgate. (too bad many SEC fans on here are not so kind)

MY argument was against the article using % and comparing USC (90,000+ stadium) with other stadiums that hold (60,000+). It also seems USC has a great home field advantage too. I think USC has the longest home winning streak in the nation. (trust me, the coliseum is not built right to make noise which makes it more impressive)

I think USC averaging 70k + last year was very good. Next season I think USC will be 80k+.

Check out the LAKERS, they have 4 future hall of famers and they could not sell out the STAPLES CENTER when all were playing. LA fans just have too much to do compared to most other cities.

Once again, fans in the south are more passionate. Thats great and I think its very cool to be part of. However, many of you translate that into playing better football. That is not true.
 

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MY argument was against the article using % and comparing USC (90,000+ stadium) with other stadiums that hold (60,000+). It also seems USC has a great home field advantage too. I think USC has the longest home winning streak in the nation. (trust me, the coliseum is not built right to make noise which makes it more impressive)

I dont know if it is the longest....but USC doesnt have a longer home streak then Ohio State.....maybe you failed to mention that, so I will throw that in there for ya;)
 

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dont know if it is the longest....but USC doesnt have a longer home streak then Ohio State.....maybe you failed to mention that, so I will throw that in there for ya

USC currently has a 15 home game winning streak.

Ohio St. currently has a 15 home game winning streak.

USC streak is far more impressive since USC streak is from the last 3 years and has played much stiffer competition, especially early in the year where your more vulnerable. Last season, Ohio St. first 5 games of the season were at home. Maybe that is why they do not get the respect there fans think they deserve.

***Ohio St. vs Texas Tech was August 24th, so that was some pre-season classic game.
 

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USC currently has a 15 home game winning streak.

Ohio St. currently has a 15 home game winning streak.

USC streak is far more impressive since USC streak is from the last 3 years and has played much stiffer competition, especially early in the year where your more vulnerable. Last season, Ohio St. first 5 games of the season were at home. Maybe that is why they do not get the respect there fans think they deserve.

***Ohio St. vs Texas Tech was August 24th, so that was some pre-season classic game.

Once again you just prove how ridiculous you are. You always find a way to prop up USC over another team. Lets look at the winning streak of each team.


USC:

1. #4 Michigan

2. Oregon State

3. UCLA

4. #6 Washington State

5. Stanford

6. Hawaii

7. BYU

8. Iowa

9. Notre Dame

10. Arizona State

11. Washington

12. Oregon State

13. Auburn

14. UCLA

15. Arizona State



Ohio State:

1. #17 Washington

2. San Diego State

3. #24 North Carolina State

4. Bowling Green

5. Northwestern

6. #9 Iowa

7. #14 Michigan State

8. #11 Purdue

9. Michigan

10. Minnesota

11. Penn State

12. San Jose State

13. Indiana

14. Washington State

15. Texas Tech


Ohio State beat 5 ranked teams at home this past season while USC only beat 2 with one coming in a bowl game! These teams were ranked at the time of the actual meeting. When you look at the 5 ranked teams Ohio State beat this past season, 3 were in a span of 5 games in 27 days with 2 of them being back to back!.


So for you to say USC's home streak is more impressive is just more proof of how biased & ridiculous you are. I don't even like the Buckeyes but I base my posts on facts, NONE which you can dispute. USC looked more impressive in winning their home games but comparing the competition, how couldn't they. Lets also not forget that 2 of these victories came against the "powerful" Pac 10 as well.
 

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Completely agree Hockey your stats completely back you up. Sorry you had to waste your time to prove Scott wrong again but again good job. Scott good try again; go and find something to cut and paste we are all waiting....:nono:
 

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Mr Hockey

I don't ever mind being corrected but please make sure your info is correct. Especially when you are rude about it. ;) Makes you look foolish.

USC beat 4 ranked teams in their 15-home winning streak.

Ohio St. beat 5 ranked teams in their 15- home winning streak.

Your statistics were wrong Mr. Hockey.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/teamsched?teamId=30&year=2003

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/teamsched?teamId=194&year=2003

I don't even like the Buckeyes but I base my posts on facts, NONE which you can dispute.

I think I just disputed your "facts." In addition, try debating the topic. I have no idea why you brough USC victories in bowl games when the argument was about HOME WINNING STREAKS. Also the 15 home games that you listed for each University is
incorrect. Lastly, your data was clearly slanted in Ohio St. favor with the rankings. I am not sure what rankings you used.

So for you to say USC's home streak is more impressive is just more proof of how biased & ridiculous you are.

I think having a 15 home game winning streak that is 3years long is more impressive than a 15 home game winning streak that is 2 years long. I also do not think it is that impressive to win 5 straight home games to start a season. I also think you have to give credit for USC playing much stiffer competition on the road and at home. Traveling on the road for OOC games is tough especially the teams USC faced. In addition, USC played much stiffer competition to start the year than Ohio St. Lastly, USC broke in a new QB and backfield this last season. I think these are all valid arguments supporting my opinion so I do not understand why you made that statement bashing me. :confused:

Once again you just prove how ridiculous you are.

Thanks.

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Your links are wrong.

Washington & Michigan State were ranked.

Also most don't even take you seriously here so I wouldn't worry about you thinking I look foolish.
 

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Also learn to post facts Scott. Ohio State beat 5 ranked teams this past season alone at home. The teams with #'s by their name were ranked at the actual time of meeting! This doesn't even include the ranked teams Ohio State beat the season prior at home.
 

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Mr Hockey said:
Also learn to post facts Scott. Ohio State beat 5 ranked teams this past season alone at home. The teams with #'s by their name were ranked at the actual time of meeting! This doesn't even include the ranked teams Ohio State beat the season prior at home.

once again Mr Hockey, thanks for some great stats on your post there. You truly know your college football!!!!!:D
 

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Completely agree Mr Hockey you are respected in this forum where NOONE except mansa respects or gives 2 sh@ts about what he has to say. Your stats are right on the money. Completely agree regardless of rankings since I believe the big 10 even though it has been down is far superior than the pac 10. Good job and great post!!! :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
 

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Scott.....saying that a streak is more impressive because it is over a 3 year span as opposed to a 2 year span in just stupid. 15 games is 15 games no matter when they are played......And two of the games in our streak were against Washington and Washington State....yup those ARE two weak teams.

Scott.....I CANNOT wait until this season and USC loses yet another inexplicable game and then whines about not being in the NC. You are gonna cry to your mom, and I am gonna laugh my ass off, LOL!

Thanks for looking that stuff up, Mr Hockey.........this Scott is one piece of work
 

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Funny how my links are wrong. My info is from ESPN.

Where was Mr. Hockey's links????????

Funny how you all respect his data when he provided zero links supporting it, especially after I called him out on it. Yep, I supported my stats with links to ESPN. What is truly sad is all of you have no choice but to accept most of my posts because most of the time I post OBJECTIVE FACTS!!!!!! Maybe that is why most of you can never counter any of my arguments. :cool:

You guys are hysterical. :142lmao:

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I think OSU winning 15 consecutive home games in 2 years is great. I do not mean to take anything away from it. I am just saying if I had to compare USC and OSU's 15 win streaks at home, I think USC's is more impressive. I stated the reasons why and I think all were valid reasons. You people bash someone for stating their opinion and supporting it. UNREAL! Especially when most of you never even support your opinion. Too funny. :D

bbk
You sure nobody cares what I say? I can count 24 seperate posts from you attacking me. You my friend, are a sad piece of work. I wonder why most of mosts receive so many views and replies.
:confused: I do wish you do what YOU preach. PLEASE BBK, I BEG YOU, put me on your IGNORE LIST!!!!!!!!! Your posts/attacks are worthless.
 

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Scott I want to thank you. You have inserted your foot in your mouth & I will prove how wrong you are with proof from multiple sources including ESPN.


You have NO FACTS on why USC's streak is more impressive. It is a FACT Ohio State beat more ranked teams at home then USC did in the same streak. I dare you to prove that wrong.
 

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Again great post Hockey, You again and again prove Scott wrong poor Lucas he just can't deal with it. We should all feel sorry for him. Then again he is just a sad homer :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
 

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Scott I want to thank you. You have inserted your foot in your mouth & I will prove how wrong you are with proof from multiple sources including ESPN.

Please do. I do not mind people proving me wrong. However, it is going to be hard to prove me wrong when I gave you the links to ESPN that I used. You guys are too funny. Yeah I sure stuck my foot in my mouth. :D

You have NO FACTS on why USC's streak is more impressive.

I stated my opinion. I said I think USC streak was more impressive and gave valid reasons for thinking so. Whenever I state my opinion I have support behind it. If you disagree with me, that is cool. Do not be so threatened by my opinion.

It is a FACT Ohio State beat more ranked teams at home then USC did in the same streak. I dare you to prove that wrong.

What are you smoking? I gave you the links that I used for my information. They are from ESPN. Very credible source. ESPN has USC beating 4 ranked teams @home and Ohio St. beating 5 ranked teams at home. What is your problem? Oh wait, I do know. Your problem is you have failed to provide links to your data. Why is it so hard for you to show me the links to where you got your data??? :shrug: I cannot be wrong like you stated because I gave you my links. WHERE ARE YOUR LINKS????? DO YOU HAVE ANY? Without providing support behind your data, I have indeed proved you wrong. If you somehow do provide links (that be great), but still would not prove me wrong because my data is from ESPN which i happily provided for you. :D
Where is your rationale??? Why the hostility towards me? :shrug:

bbk
You truly are an uneducated man. You cannot be serious with these last posts by you. I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and think your trying to get under my skin and play mind games. If you truly are not, then you really are an uneducated man. It is impossible for Mr Hockey to prove me wrong. Mr Hockey also has failed to provide links behind his data. You are very naive. You go from posting documented loser picks, to posting 24 seperate attacks against me (truly pathetic), to now being Mr Hockey's promotor. TOO FUNNY! Keep me laughing BBK. :lol:
 

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Scott I am not worried about biased homers who pick & choose what they cut & paste as facts. I will post my links when I feel like it including ones from ESPN. Oh by the way Scott, I will also show you how dumb you really are by using those specific ESPN looks & how it is listed.
 
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