Another con job on the American public

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This is the same guy who offered to lower oil to 50 dollars a barel and when he did that, the rightwing slime machine slimed him up real good so the real suckers could run with it and of course they did as you can see in here. Now here is a real leader and what a real leader does for his country.

Is Chavez a Dictator?

Written by Peter Lackowski
Wednesday, 08 February 2006
Hugo Chavez and Fidel Castro have often met as the leaders of their countries, and they have clearly developed a warm personal friendship as well. The Bush administration, Fox News, and the Venezuelan opposition try to use this as "proof" that Chavez is taking orders from Castro, that Chavez intends to turn Venezuela into a "communist dictatorship," with capitalism severely curtailed, and freedom of speech limited.


In reality there has been a lot of cooperation between Cuba and Venezuela. Cuba is a world leader in many aspects of medicine, and Venezuela has oil, so they have traded oil for doctors, and also for technical assistance in education, agriculture, and other areas. But the idea that capitalism is under attack in Venezuela is simply absurd. I was there for a month before Christmas, and the scene I saw was more like capitalism on steroids. Venezuela has huge malls with atriums and half a dozen floors, stores just like ours, and lots of stuff made in China, just like in the U.S.


Venezuela also has a huge "informal economy," including thousands upon thousands of street vendors selling just about everything. Food, produce, clothing of all kinds, watches, jewelry, books, luggage, copies of CD?s and DVD?s, little figures to put in cr?ches (cr?ches were everywhere), makeup, cell phones, office supplies? Before Chavez the police used to clear them off the streets and take their merchandise. Now they completely fill the sidewalks in many parts of the city, and nobody bothers them. This year people were buying a lot! Ironically the prosperity that led to all this consumption has led to a huge surge in the flow of trash. There were little mountains of it in Caracas streets when I arrived. By the time I left a month later they were just starting to get it under control.

I saw McDonald?s, Burger King, Wendy?s, Kentucky Fried Chicken, TGI Friday?s, Subway, and Little Caesar?s, demonstrating that franchising is functioning well. One of the tackier symbols of international capitalism is the huge red coffee mug inscribed with the word "NESCAFE" on top of a tall building in the heart of the city. Venezuela has signed joint venture agreements with 19 international oil companies, and is negotiating with the 20th, ExxonMobile. The government is vigorously supporting small businesses in the form of cooperatives. In cities across the country neighborhoods are organizing, with help from the government, to draw up maps of the settlements where poor people have built houses on public land so they can get titles to their houses, thereby creating massive amounts of private property in the form of titled real estate. The government has been quite encouraging to capitalist development in general, seeing it as fundamental to a prosperous society.

Chavistas make it clear that they are not following any model from Russia, China, or Cuba, or any other scheme or theory of how society should be organized. They often talk about socialism, but they don?t mean nationalizing industry or eliminating private property. By "socialism" they simply mean basing decisions on what is good for the whole of society. Chavez frequently refers to Jesus as a great teacher of socialism, with his message of love and caring for the least among us.

The army runs mega-mercados in various parts of town. These are big open air fairs, where the soldiers sell pork hindquarters at a very low price. Hundreds of people line up for meat, and they also buy things from farmers, fishmongers, and other private merchants at a big open air market. The prices of basic commodities are regulated, and low. But the fun part is all the "non-basic" commodities, like the machine that squeezes fresh sugar cane into a cup of juice, served with a squeeze of citron. Blocks of something like brown sugar, but more delicious. Honey in the comb. All the usual vendors of food clothing, and everything else. And the Venezuelan music that turns everything into a party.

This is one of the ways the army promotes national security. It sells food that everyone can afford, and it provides small businesses with a secure location (patrolled by soldiers!) and a guaranteed clientele. Moreover, these are customers who might have some money left in their pockets after buying basic commodities. The Venezuelan army promotes the nutritional security of the nation, and the people create the fun and profit.

Venezuelans say that their Bolivarian Socialism is a "process," something that they are inventing, discovering, and creating. There are some basic ideas: participatory democracy, social justice, Latin American integration, and independence from the empire to the north. Education, health care, adequate nutrition, and decent housing seen as fundamental rights. But there is no formula for achieving these ends. The process is experimental and open ended.

Chavez is the president because millions of people see themselves as directly connected to this process. Nearly all of the poor people, and a lot of the middle class, are benefiting from the educational, health, and food missions. But many are also connected to a broad social movement consisting of neighborhood committees, cooperatives, and unions of many kinds (such as the housewives? union.) These people are the ones who took to the streets when the oligarchy kidnapped Chavez and tried to set up its own government. They know that they put him back in the palace, and they approve of what he is doing there.

The oligarchy, and the portion of the middle class that looks to them for leadership, see this state of affairs as the world gone crazy. An egomaniacal demagogue supported by a bunch of malcontents and troublemakers. Votes bought with cheap food and Cuban doctors. Worst of all, it?s being paid for with money that used to go to them.

The big newspapers and the private TV and radio stations are relentlessly opposed to Chavez. They extensively quote Chavez?s critics, putting the worst possible spin on everything he does, often treating him with disrespect and derision. Nevertheless, there has not been any attempt by the government to censor them.


The election for the National Assembly on December 4 was a good example of how the opposition press operates. Since the constitution of 1999 has been in effect, elections for the National Assembly have not been at the same time as the election for the president. Therefore, turnout has been low, around 30% of registered voters. Polls gave pro-Chavez candidates a big lead, predicting a 70/30 split in the legislature. Opponents of the government raised various fairness issues, and the election authorities made changes in the procedures that completely dealt with those issues, in the opinion of delegations of independent observers from the European Union and the Organization of American States.

Nevertheless, four days before the election all of the opposition parties agreed to boycott the election, and they told their supporters not to vote. Of course with the opposition not voting, and with government supporters seeing no contest for their candidates, the turnout hit an all-time low of 25%. The next day the headlines of the two biggest newspapers in Caracas triumphantly proclaimed: "Abstention at 75%!"


In other words, the opposition had told its people not to vote, and since 75% of registered voters did not vote, they claimed that it was a great victory for their side. In reality it was probably a rough measure of Chavez?s hard core, because who else would bother?

Because of the boycott, 100% of the new National Assembly supports Chavez. Already opposition figures have begun to sneer at the legislature as a mere rubber stamp for Chavez, more proof that he is a dictator, because only a dictator would have no opposition in the legislature.

50 out of 167 National Assembly members are women, by the way, a world record. Just think of their task: creating laws to enable a peaceful revolution.

So, is Chavez a dictator? Bush, Fox, and the Venezuelan oligarchy will tell you that he is. But they live in a looking-glass world where conquest is called liberation, aggression is called defense, and economic domination is called free trade. A world where real democracy is called dictatorship.
 

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i guess he missed the part where chavez is nationalizing all the oil holdings and tried to have himself installed as dictator for life.....

he`s fricking socialist....it`s pretty obvious despite how some left wing reporter spins it....

and sadly enough,i believe that this where the dems are trying to take us...that`s what these "witch hunt" hearings are intended to do.....draw attention away from the congress` dereliction of duty in preventing us from utilizing our own resources.....hoping that the energy situation becomes so dire,that they`ll be " forced" to pull a chavez and nationalize oil...... and energy.....

http://en.sevenload.com/videos/5R0Ex3l-Waters-oil

think of the absurdity of it all.....what does congress say to the oil execs?...."you make too much money, you get payed too much"......

yet,they produce the fuel that allows you`re lazy asses to fly around the country on the taxpayer`s dime, while restricting where they can and can't get oil and you have the audacity to claim that they are the problem?....

they produce oil, which runs the economy and congress produces nothing.....



btw...spongy..is someone paying you to spam the board?
 
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i guess he missed the part where chavez is nationalizing all the oil holdings and tried to have himself installed as dictator for life.....

he`s fricking socialist....it`s pretty obvious despite how some left wing reporter spins it....

and sadly enough,i believe that this where the dems are trying to take us...that`s what these "witch hunt" hearings are intended to do.....draw attention away from the congress` dereliction of duty in preventing us from utilizing our own resources.....hoping that the energy situation becomes so dire,that they`ll be " forced" to pull a chavez and nationalize oil...... and energy.....

http://en.sevenload.com/videos/5R0Ex3l-Waters-oil

think of the absurdity of it all.....what does congress say to the oil execs?...."you make too much money, you get payed too much"......

yet,they produce the fuel that allows you`re lazy asses to fly around the country on the taxpayer`s dime, while restricting where they can and can't get oil and you have the audacity to claim that they are the problem?....

they produce oil, which runs the economy and congress produces nothing.....



btw...spongy..is someone paying you to spam the board?
GW, since DTB avoids this question I will ask you. Why didn't Bush do something about where to drill oil when they had control of everything for SIX years! Afterall Bush and Cheney are both oil men so it should come to no surprise to them. Just asking because I notice you and DTB both blame congress for this.
 

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Good stuff, Sponge. These articles are worthwhile reading.

I remember another time place they tried bartering as a way around bankers and sanctions. Anyone know what I'm talking about?
 

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Good stuff, Sponge. These articles are worthwhile reading.

I remember another time place they tried bartering as a way around bankers and sanctions. Anyone know what I'm talking about?

Tapir if i put up the Fox news slime job on Chavez im sure Weasel wouldn't call them spam. By the way Weasy do you see how loved he is over in Ven? They had a special on one of the news stations showing about 50 thousand protesting him a while back. They didn't mentions the 600 thousand strong at the other march supporting him. weasel i was just wondering. What corporation do you own again?:mj07:
 

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Long, interesting analysis of Chavez and Venezuela's relations with El Salvador.

http://www.thescarletpimpernel.info...nother-feather-in-the-cap-of-hugo-chavez.html

BTW, the answer to my question is pre-WWII Germany. Hitler traded diesel locomotives to Argentina for grain, which threw the international bankers into an uproar. Chavez seems to be placing the good of his people above the interests of global corporations, without falling into the trap of nationalizing everything like Castro and the other commie fools did.
 

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US-sponsored Murderous Dictatorships:
A List

The greatest crime ever perpetrated in the name of America is the US government's long-established practice of installing and supporting so many murderous dictatorships, primarily after the end of colonialism and during the Cold War with the all-justifying excuse of anti-communism. How many murderous dictatorships has the US installed or supported?
Let's count.
Country Dictator Dates Statistics
Chile Gen. Augusto Pinochet 1973-1990 3000 murdered. 400,000 tortured.
Argentina Gen. Jorge Rafael Videla 1976-1981 30,000 murdered. more
Indonesia Suharto 1965 coup against left-leaning Sukarno,
1975 support of East Timor genocide
500,000 dead after 1965 coup; 100,000-230,000 dead in East Timor; more, more, more.
Guatemala Armas, Fuentes, Montt 1954-
Iran The Shah of Iran

Ayatollah Khomeini was on the CIA payroll in the 1970s in Paris
Egypt Sadat, Mubarak 1978-today
Iraq Saddam Hussein
Nicaragua Anastasio Somoza & sons 1937-1979
Paraguay Stroessner. US supported throughout (state.gov says US has supported Paraguayan development since 1942) ($142M between 1962 and 1975) 1954-1989
Bolivia Col. Hugo Banzer overthrew elected leftist president Juan Jose Torres 1970-
Angola Jonas Savimbi/UNITA (didn't actually win his revolution, but killed or displaced millions) 1975-1989
Zaire Mobutu
Saudi Arabia Saud family
Kuwait a monarchy
Morocco

Tunisia

Algeria

Jordan

Panama Noriega was US-supported for years
Haiti Papa Doc, Baby Doc
Dominican Republic Trujillo, a military dictator for 32 years with US support for most of that time; Belaguer, Trujillo's protege, installed after US Marines intervened to put down an attempt to restore the democratically elected government of Juan Bosch 1930-61, 1965-78
Honduras

El Salvador
1980s
Nepal monarchy since 1948
Cuba Fulgencio Batista pre-Castro
Brazil Gen. Branco overthrew elected president Goulart with US support 1965-67
Uzbekistan Kamirov "The Boiler", $150M from the Bush administration for an air base. 1965-67

There are some gaps of information there. If you know any details that could help fill the gaps, let me know, it would be much appreciated.
So I count 25. Rough numbers, let's not be picky.
I barely have 25 people in my pingpong club, we're talking 25 countries.
Now that's a bleeping crime.
So who's responsible? I am an American: I am responsible.
So what am I going to do about it? I'm going to be an American, and express myself, with attitude, about what I do and don't like in this world, and tell everyone what I think has got to be done. So keep on reading.
And you? Be an American too: make up your own mind, persuade yourself, and try to persuade the rest of them. Talk leads to action, so talk!

US-sponsored Murderous Dictatorships
 

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I'm not sorry about Pinochet at all. He did a damn good job, like Franco in Spain. These commie punks need to be put down just like the neocons, their relatives. The left can make lists, but it has no credibility after the 20th century. The communist and so-called anti-racists have more blood on their hands than all other actors in history combined. Neocons are far more akin to communists than conservatives, altho they Fox watchers dont comprehend this.

Anyone preaching global revolution, whether communist or democratic, is dangerous and foolish.
 
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