Anyone else taking part on Super Tuesday?

Chadman

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I've decided to put my actions where my typing is, and attend my local caucus tomorrow night. I often speak here about others, and ask what they are doing to change things they don't like about our elected officials. So, I am going to take part in the process, which I've never done before.

Despite the fact that I'll probably come across some moonbats and wingnuts...I'll do my part. Anyone else joining in their local fray tomorrow?
 

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I am voting in the Republican Primary for the first time in my life. :scared
 

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I've decided to put my actions where my typing is, and attend my local caucus tomorrow night. I often speak here about others, and ask what they are doing to change things they don't like about our elected officials. So, I am going to take part in the process, which I've never done before.

Despite the fact that I'll probably come across some moonbats and wingnuts...I'll do my part. Anyone else joining in their local fray tomorrow?

Didn't know you caucus in Minnesota, Chadman. And its your 1st one? Hope for your sake its like the Iowa Republican Party one rather than the one the Democratic Party stages in Iowa.

The Dems in Iowa all arrive at their caucus site and split off into smaller groups based on who they are supporting. Since we are first in the nation, there are always a lot of candidates. And, at this point you can be for none of the above if you wish.
Then, your group must be 'viable' and that means that if there are 100 people at your caucus site, your group of supporters must have at least 15 people--it takes 15% of the total to be a viable group.
And there are always a few candidates that are not viable at each caucus site. So now the groups that are viable get to make a speech to those non-committed and those people that were part of a non-viable candidates' group. Those people then have to join a viable group--or they are asked to leave so that an accurate count of voters can take place.
Once that is done--and this part can take 2 or more hours, THEN the delegates to the county convention are determined by the percentages of voters per each viable candidate.
The Repubs pass out ballots as you walk in the door, everyone votes and the votes are totaled, then they talk party business. Takes all of 1/2 hour....wish the Dems would get their chit together and take a page out of the Repubs playbook and get us the hell out of there faster.
My neighbor went to the Democratic caucus this year and said it took 2.5 hours just to get to the point of being able to get an accurate count. He was there a total of 3 3/4 hours....ouch.
 

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i'm impressed that you guys are doing your civic duty tomorrow....i on the other hand am doing nothing..not motivated at all with the field...
 

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I will be doing the voting thing Tuesday. There are a number of California "propositions", a few of which involve expanded Indian gaming.

I personally can't stand the primaries. I don't think the taxpayers/government should be responsible for organizing what amounts to a "private club's" internal election.

Let them figure out, at their own expense, who they want to represent their party in an election.

Add to that the ridiculous posturing of states to have theirs "first". Weak states getting way too much say etc.

Add to that the confusion of open vs. closed primaries. In California this year, if you are not a Democrat, you can still vote in their primary, but if you are not a Republican you cannot vote in the Republican primary.

I guess that as a member of a third party I can vote for Obama, just to screw Hillary. :shrug:
 

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Hey Feklhr--IMO good chance the Dem Candidate will be decided by your state today.
Been lots of media/pollsters on Obama comeback in Ca even some calling him ahead--
Considered hedging my Dem candidate wagers with 3/2 on Barack few days ago when largest Hispanic newspaper backed him--but just can't see the hispanic population in general backing him--and considering 24% of population there is hispanic--I still believe they seal his fate.
Will be most interesting.:)

but some how I think they are all wet on this poll--


In California, which alone provides more than one-fifth of the Democratic delegates needed for the nomination, Obama led Clinton by 49 percent to 36 percent, the poll found. The margin of error was 3.3 percentage points.
 
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On the Obama/Hillary race, at least here, his ads have been all over television the past few days. I had read about his fundraising still being prolific, evidently Minnesota is a key for him. Have not seen Hillary at all, that I can think of.
 

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interesting night-
Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby Polls were exposed as biased again per note on their above projection-
-Wish they were in charge of odds :)

"In California, which alone provides more than one-fifth of the Democratic delegates needed for the nomination, Obama led Clinton by 49 percent to 36 percent, the poll found. The margin of error was 3.3 percentage points."

Was worst projection of election with totally opposite results--
(Clinton had 55 percent to rival Barack Obama?s 33 percent, with 17 percent of precincts reporting)

If they haven't figured out how to project states by now they never will--and it isn't about issues.

--another amusing outcome was Mass--With their Gov-Kennedy-and Kerry throwing in with Obama--only to have Clinton win decidedly. You think they aren't mumbling between themselves--

--an interesting poll prior on Kennedy endorsement-

Unintended Consequences

Could Senator Ted Kennedy's endorsement of Barack Obama actually backfire and cost the candidate votes?

A new Rasmussen national poll indicates that 34 percent of Democrats surveyed said Kennedy's support would make them less likely to vote for Obama. Thirty-three percent said it had no impact. And only 30 percent said it would make them more likely to support the Illinois senator.

Now if you throw in the Republicans and Independents with the Democrats, the endorsement looks even more harmful. Forty-six percent of those surveyed said the Kennedy nod makes them less likely to support Obama. Thirty-four percent said it had no impact. Only 16 percent said it makes them more likely to vote for Obama.
 

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Reporting back from the Caucus...it was an interesting night - very busy, seemingly on both sides. People are definitely interested in what is going on, which is a good thing.

I also think how sad it is that so few people actually care enough to attend these things. It is impressive to me to know that I can come there with an actual agenda item, put it up for debate/vote, and have that go on to the state agenda items for review/inclusion/etc.

Wide range of people there...in my district, there was every segment (of white people - ha) represented. Elderly men and women, middle aged hard working folks, a young girl, a youthful guy who tried to run the show (probably wants to be in politics soon, I'd guess), a blind gentleman, and myself. Maybe 12 to 14 people from the entire ward. We could have up to 14 delegate to elect to the next meetings...I have a hoops tourney with my son that day, so I signed up to be an alternate delegate, and hope to go to future events.

Wease, you would have enjoyed the "moonbat" commentary that flew around the room at times...a young gal wearing a "blingy" peace symbol around her neck got up and extolled the virtues of Al Franken...one woman brought forth a resolution to broaden the light rail program ? which has definitely been an arguable one here ? to include the entire state (can you imagine the COST of such an expansion?!?) - the young up-and-comer calling the local right wing talk show host a court jester, etc.

Other topics put forth for the agenda were health care for all (discussion ensued to include dental, which is always forgotten in these discussions, they said...ha), using part of the ongoing tobacco settlement money for youth education and prevention programs (which makes sense, if we are actually getting money for this settlement at all), and a couple other things. My only regret is that I did not come prepared with any solid proposals that were well-written and thought out. I plan to do better next time, because these things seem to fly through with little discussion in these groups. I think my ideas are a little more middle of the road, and perhaps more meritorious than some, as I kept interjecting that we can come up with a million reasons to better fund things, but in the end we all have to pay for them somehow...that calmed down the hysteria a bit at times...:D

All in all, it galvanized me to take a bigger role in these things moving forward, because it truly is an interesting thing to be a part of. I suggest it to anyone who lives in a caucus state.
 

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http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2008/02/obama-actually.html :bigear:

http://obsidianwings.blogs.com/obsidian_wings/2008/02/super-tuesday-r.html :00x15 :00x16

http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/02/05/convention_chaos_theory_1/ :0corn


Just empty words . . . :bigear:

"Consider a different example:

"Consider a bill into which Obama clearly put his heart and soul. The problem he wanted to address was that too many confessions, rather than being voluntary, were coerced -- by beating the daylights out of the accused.

Obama proposed requiring that interrogations and confessions be videotaped.

This seemed likely to stop the beatings, but the bill itself aroused immediate opposition. There were Republicans who were automatically tough on crime and Democrats who feared being thought soft on crime. There were death penalty abolitionists, some of whom worried that Obama's bill, by preventing the execution of innocents, would deprive them of their best argument. Vigorous opposition came from the police, too many of whom had become accustomed to using muscle to "solve" crimes. And the incoming governor, Rod Blagojevich, announced that he was against it.

Obama had his work cut out for him.

He responded with an all-out campaign of cajolery. It had not been easy for a Harvard man to become a regular guy to his colleagues. Obama had managed to do so by playing basketball and poker with them and, most of all, by listening to their concerns. Even Republicans came to respect him. One Republican state senator, Kirk Dillard, has said that "Barack had a way both intellectually and in demeanor that defused skeptics."

The police proved to be Obama's toughest opponent. Legislators tend to quail when cops say things like, "This means we won't be able to protect your children." The police tried to limit the videotaping to confessions, but Obama, knowing that the beatings were most likely to occur during questioning, fought -- successfully -- to keep interrogations included in the required videotaping.

By showing officers that he shared many of their concerns, even going so far as to help pass other legislation they wanted, he was able to quiet the fears of many.

Obama proved persuasive enough that the bill passed both houses of the legislature, the Senate by an incredible 35 to 0. Then he talked Blagojevich into signing the bill, making Illinois the first state to require such videotaping."

Getting legislation like this passed is a real achievement. Getting it passed unanimously is nothing short of astonishing. Mark Kleiman, who knows this stuff extremely well, put it best:

"1. Obama was completely right, and on an issue directly relevant to the more recent debates about torture. Taping interrogations is an issue that really only has one legitimate side, since there's no reason to think it prevents any true confessions, while it certainly prevents false confessions (over and above the legal and moral reasons for disapproving of police use of "enhanced interrogation methods").

2. Pursuing it had very little political payoff, as evidenced by the fact that Obama has not (as far as I know) so much as mentioned this on the campaign. Standing up for the rights of accused criminals in a contemporary American legislature requires brass balls.

3. Getting it through required both courage and skill. The notion that Obama is "too nice" to get things done can hardly survive this story: he won't face tougher or less scrupulous political opponents than the self-proclaimed forces of law and order. Yes, in this case the change was helpful to the cause of crime control, since every innocent person imprisoned displaces a guilty person. But that didn't make the politics of it any easier.""


GL
 

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I was surprise how many white males voted for Obama. Also total numbers of those voting setting such high records. And the total inbalance of just over 10 million dem's to just under 7 million reb's. If that holds up in general election. It will be easy bet.
 

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Haven't seen many surprises yet on states he carried DJV--He's 100% in one catagory-if you like I'll give list of remaining when I get in office in morning-

Biggest surprise was ineptness of Reuter polling of Ca which I warned you on--correctly.

Dem voting is easiset to project--you don't need feel on issues just demographic stats in this race.

On Reb turn out not a lot of them very happy but they always poll in smaller #'s then Dems in primaries. They don't have all day to go vote ;)

IMO the dem will come down to the super delegates-H will have heads up by taking most populous states and clinch in when they figure out Obama would gain them nothing over H in votes as the blacks will still vote 90%dem tickets if she chooses David Duke as running mate--However Obama will lose hispanic vote and without lock on minorities they are vunerable--even against Mc Cain--but I said that all before in wager thread pre-primary--and still betting on H but rooting for Obama--who IMO would be by far weakest link in National Election,especially with the little love fest of hispanics and McCain.
 

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Hil had to loan her campaign 5M last month ... she said after the results yesterday , her investment was worth it...... Investment ????? why do people invest money ?
 
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How is the IRS going to deal with this ? If she wins the WH : will she have to pay cap gains on the money she earns as the result of holding office for the rest of her days.... If she doesn't get there : can she right it off ? :142smilie
 

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Change that total vote turn out to 14 mill for dem's 7.8 for reb's. Way to much difference for people who don't have time to vote. Are you kidding reb's that don't vote. Or have less time. That sounds a little weak.
Hillary had 5 mill stuck away.Wow. No problem for her she will pay it back first as new money comes in. IRS won't bother any of these folks.
 

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Change that total vote turn out to 14 mill for dem's 7.8 for reb's. Way to much difference for people who don't have time to vote. Are you kidding reb's that don't vote. Or have less time. That sounds a little weak.
Hillary had 5 mill stuck away.Wow. No problem for her she will pay it back first as new money comes in. IRS won't bother any of these folks.

I was just kididng but . she will pay it back to who ? I was pointing out the obivous. why invest 5M for a job that won't pay you that for the term....
 

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You to can borrow from your 401 or IRA and pay your self back. Not good thing to do. But if you got to:shrug:
 

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it's all about greed power and ego for these people... amassing wealth under false pretenses as a public servant.... obtaining goods by false pretense is a crime for Americans that have to follow law.... for get about ethics.
 
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