As if the NCAA needed another reason to look bad!

[UGA12]

For those of you that have not heard anything about this "case", it has been going on for 2 years now. If you are a hardliner and believe exceptions should never be made then so be it, if not then how can this not be one of those special exceptions:shrug: Have a feeling the NCAA will wind up paying this young man a good chunk of money if he is not cleared to play. Just sad:facepalm:


http://espn.go.com/blog/sec/post/_/id/64226/video-kolton-houston-testing-the-limit#comment


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[BobbyBlueChip]

My take is cut your fucking hair and follow the rules of the association that you're a member of!

 

[Mr. Poon]

Shouldn't the lawsuit paying this kid and his family that 'good chunk of money' be brought against the doctor that shot him up incorrectly in high school?

 

[UGA12]

I am sure his name will be on there as well. Lawsuit is really beside the point though.

 

[Mr. Poon]

Ok, I thought that was what your post is getting at. Misunderstood I guess.

I know the NCAA looks foolish quite often, but as harsh and unsympathetic as this sounds I understand their stance on this. This is an odd case, but if they make an exception now, what precedent does that set for others to potentially abuse the regulations they have in place?

 

[layinwood]

I'm not saying I don't believe him but he had a VERY high ratio before he was tested. Then in his first test after the bad test it went down dramatically. It went from 260 down to 65 in one month. Did it all of the sudden go down that much or what was it when he had the injections? We're talking about his frosh year in school and the injections were at some point in high school. I just find it strange that it went down that quickly after they tested him but hadn't since his high school years.

 

[UGA12]

Ok, I thought that was what your post is getting at. Misunderstood I guess.

I know the NCAA looks foolish quite often, but as harsh and unsympathetic as this sounds I understand their stance on this. This is an odd case, but if they make an exception now, what precedent does that set for others to potentially abuse the regulations they have in place?

Would normally agree with you about the precedent and future abuse(that was my argument with fsu linebacker), but if this doesn't constitute a "special situation" then what does. They have empirical evidence backing up their claim and the young man has gone to extremes to try and right the wrong done by someone else. It will be very interesting to see how this one plays out over the long run.

 

[BobbyBlueChip]

I don't know much about anabolic steroids so I'll have to defer to the bama, lsu and auburn fans, but isn't this being in his system helping him put on muscle mass right now? If it wasn't, I'm sure one of the Georgia guys would have said that during the espn piece

 

[Betone]

I don't know much about anabolic steroids so I'll have to defer to the bama, lsu and auburn fans, but isn't this being in his system helping him put on muscle mass right now? If it wasn't, I'm sure one of the Georgia guys would have said that during the espn piece

Or you could just look it up on facebook, with a pretend girlfriend :lol:

 

[azbob]

Layin is not lyin...I saw this story when broadcast and it is strange that there was such a dramatic drop. The question is, why wasn't there such a dramatic drop soon after the injection which, it seems, would have gotten him to zero much quicker rather than the big drop coming after he got caught.

He should focus on the books.

 

[UGA12]

It takes a max of 3-6 months for steroids to get out of users systems from what I have found online. Here we are three years later and 90 some odd tests later and they are still presenting. If you want to say that he was a user, then they would be out of his system now.

 

[layinwood]

UGA, no steroid is the same and their half lives are all different. Some leave quickly, some linger around.

IMO he's a user and here's why and what happened.

He used right before he got busted on the test. There was a sharp decline in levels a month later because he stopped but he didn't hit his muscle so there is some hanging around which accounts for the very low levels. Maybe he didn't but I don't see how anyone can explain the drastic drop off right after testing. Especially when he's reasoning is that his doc did it while he was in high school. If it was done while in high school, why the big drop right after testing?

If one of these LSU kids got popped for weed. In January their levels were sky high but the month after they dropped to almost nothing and they said they didn't smoke but in high school they were around someone who did, what would you believe? If the drop wasn't so dramatic 1 month after his test then I would believe him or if it was low like it is now and he said that happened in high school. It smells of bs to me and I know more about steroid testing then I would like to.

 

[UGA12]

UGA, no steroid is the same and their half lives are all different. Some leave quickly, some linger around.

IMO he's a user and here's why and what happened.

He used right before he got busted on the test. There was a sharp decline in levels a month later because he stopped but he didn't hit his muscle so there is some hanging around which accounts for the very low levels. Maybe he didn't but I don't see how anyone can explain the drastic drop off right after testing. Especially when he's reasoning is that his doc did it while he was in high school. If it was done while in high school, why the big drop right after testing?

If one of these LSU kids got popped for weed. In January their levels were sky high but the month after they dropped to almost nothing and they said they didn't smoke but in high school they were around someone who did, what would you believe? If the drop wasn't so dramatic 1 month after his test then I would believe him or if it was low like it is now and he said that happened in high school. It smells of bs to me and I know more about steroid testing then I would like to.

So you believe for the past two years the University of Georgia has made up a story about injections by a Doctor, fabricated a medical image showing where the injection was trapped in fat, tried a month of weird ass massage/sauna, tried antibiotics to absorb, and had surgery to remove fatty areas where steroid is/was trapped all the while putting each and every physicians, coaches and even the AD's reputation on the line, just to cover up for a steroid user and get him on the field:shrug:

At the end of the day as weird as the whole situation is, it is still much more likely that it happened the way they said it did rather than the University developing what would amount to an epic cover-up for a kid that has never stepped on the field, and until a few days ago no one outside of Georgia even knew about.

 

[layinwood]

UGA, I have no clue why they would try to cover it up or whatever they're doing. I have no dog in the fight but I think the whole thing smells badly. There are way too many things that lead me to think he used.

How long was the time that he said the doc gave him the injection to the first test?

It's also weird to me that a doc would give him an injection of Deca. I've had several friends that "use" and had surgeries and have begged their docs to give them something but they wouldn't. I also have a hard time believing the doc would miss the muscle.

We're talking a very low level doc that would first give him something like Deca, give it to him without his knowledge and then administer it incorrectly.

So you have a BAD doc. A few years later his levels are still sky high, but one month later drop dramatically.

I'm not saying UGA is trying to cover this up but I am saying the kids used and he did so very near when the test was given.

 

[TLankford]

Have to agree with a lot of what Layinwood is saying here. Only time I've ever heard of a doc giving someone anabolic steroid injections is for serious birth defect / growth conditions that were unhealthy if untreated (and he got HGH so technically not a steroid). And the doctor missed the muscle? Seriously? Pri-med nurses can hit the muscle with an injection.

Have no opinion on UGA's involvement because it does seem idiotic for them to make something up about it, but like others are saying it is just a very fishy story and if anything stated above about the doctor is true, the kid should have no trouble getting his tuition paid for by the doctor via lawsuit

 

[UGA12]

Kolton Houston reinstated by NCAA

http://www.georgiadogs.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/072513aaf.html

 

[layinwood]

I hope the kid does well. I'm sure his love for the game is at an all time high after having it taken away from him for so long.